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GLP Book Club: Enders Game by Orson Scott Card

 
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I haven't read this.

Thanks for giving me a good book to read. Have bee looking for something.

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Great book, you won't be disappointed.
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Yeah, Bluebird. Its a fairly easy read as well.

By the end of the book, you are going to get the chills.
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I haven't read this.

Thanks for giving me a good book to read. Have bee looking for something.

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 Quoting: Bluebird


Great book, you won't be disappointed.
 Quoting: CharlieMurphy


Yeah, Bluebird. Its a fairly easy read as well.

By the end of the book, you are going to get the chills.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


You know I remembered the one twist, but had forgotten about the very last twist, and yea...

It is a great ending.
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Great book. One of my favorites.

The rest of the series should be avoided though.
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Noted, thanks for the heads up.
 Quoting: CharlieMurphy


don't listen to this guy. the first book is great, an easier to handle, but the other 7 books are excellent as well.

the remaining 3 in the first set are about ender's life while out in space/visiting other planets

the other series of 4 is about the remainder of Ender's crew back on Earth after he's left the planet. all of the different characters end up in positions of political power across the different nations of the planet.

great reading...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21666560


Hmmm, thanks for your opinion. Damn, I wish I still lived in my old town, they had a great used bookstore, could get great books for just a couple of bucks. Maybe I will take a trip out to barnes and noble soon and see if I can find the sequel there. Speaker for the Dead I think it is.
 Quoting: CharlieMurphy


I found "Speaker" and the subsequent books somewhat contrived, and boring, myself.

Chacun a son gout, I guess.
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bump

Who else has read this book? No need for a long reply, just a one sentence reply with your assessment of the book.
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They made all the kids older in the movie. Which on one hand lessens the impact, but on the other should let them be as violent and inappropriate as they want.

I was a huge huge Ender's Game fan back when I was in my late teens. I still love it. I'm counting the days until I can introduce my son to it (I'm thinking 726 days, but it may end up being sooner because of the movie - I'd much rather he read the book first) - and he has a signed copy waiting for him.

But the new branch of the series doesn't really do much for me. I'm following it when I notice a new book show up at the library basically because I'm curious to see how he ties things together.
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bump

For the daytime crowd, and for the Europe afternoon crowd, and maybe for some late night ANZ crowd.

I might not be able to respond as I am at work and things are starting to pick up.

This will be my last bump on this book. I think the next thread will be the martian chronicles by bradburry.
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I don't have a quote link on my phone, but alkali that is awesome, I wish I had a signed copy. There is a lot in the book for a young boy to learn. My son is starting to read , but it is simple things, I think maybe a year or two more and I might buy him his own copy of this.
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Just downloaded it...thanks for the suggestion!

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Great book. One of my favorites.

The rest of the series should be avoided though.
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Noted, thanks for the heads up.
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Actually you should read the book Enders Shadow next, it is a companion to Enders Game. From the perspective of Bean, who is one of the real hero's in Enders Game.
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The Enders Game series -

Chronological order

Earth Unaware
Earth Afire
Earth Awakens (Not out yet)
First Meetings
Ender's Game
Ender's Shadow (Note: The events of Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow take place in roughly the same time period.)
A War of Gifts (Note: This takes place during Ender's Game/Ender's Shadow.)
Shadow of the Hegemon
Shadow Puppets
Shadow of the Giant
Ender in Exile (Note: This takes place during Shadow of the Hegemon and through Shadow of the Giant)
Shadows in Flight
Speaker for the Dead
Xenocide
Children of the Mind
Shadows Alive
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Enders Game the Movie is actually based on both Enders Game the book and Enders Shadow. So it would be wise to read both of those together. Bean is my favorite character by far!
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Agreed about bean, ender does to him what was done to himself and has the same results. I am now really excited for this movie, Harrison Ford being one of my favorite actors from all the Clancy movies.
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Agreed about bean, ender does to him what was done to himself and has the same results. I am now really excited for this movie, Harrison Ford being one of my favorite actors from all the Clancy movies.
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So you like Bean but havn't read the Enders Shadow series? You'll LOVE it, it's all bean!
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Ok I will make enders shadow my next book to buy. Also thanks to whoever posted the the whole timeline of the series. This thread has turned out way better than I thought it would.
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You know I love you all here at glp, even the haters (the shills can go suck a dick though) but; I really wish I had access to some of the brilliant military minds of our day. I want to ask general Fred Franks (ret.) what he thinks of this book.

For those who don't know , Franks was commander of 7th Corps during gulf war one. The unit that swung around and crushed the Iraqi republican guard. His book he wrote with Clancy is truely a study in command.

I would love to hear his thoughts on enders game.
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Ok I will make enders shadow my next book to buy. Also thanks to whoever posted the the whole timeline of the series. This thread has turned out way better than I thought it would.
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That was me, you are welcome. I am a huge Enders Game fan. Love the entire series. Currently reading the book Earth Afire, about the first Formic invasion. Very interesting stuff!
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You know, when I was looking over Card's Wikipedia last night it became obvious to me that he is someone who would be loved here on GLP.
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Great book. One of my favorites.

The rest of the series should be avoided though.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 300884


Noted, thanks for the heads up.
 Quoting: CharlieMurphy


don't listen to this guy. the first book is great, an easier to handle, but the other 7 books are excellent as well.

the remaining 3 in the first set are about ender's life while out in space/visiting other planets

the other series of 4 is about the remainder of Ender's crew back on Earth after he's left the planet. all of the different characters end up in positions of political power across the different nations of the planet.

great reading...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21666560


To clarify why I think the series is much worse than the first book:

The first book is about mankind facing an existential threat in the form of an enemy that is almost impossible to fight. The only way for the human race to survive is to compromise on moral principles and do some pretty nasty things, like abusing children, raising them to know nothing but war. This combination of mortal threat and moral dilemma gives the first book a very tangible tension.

The rest of the books are instead about how Ender finds out that humans and aliens can all be friends. This may be "enlightened" and all, but it gives no where near the gut-wrenching tension of the first book.

They're all well written enough, but I think the first is a far superior reading experience.
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I love this book. I have not found any other book that truly understands what its like growing up as a gay boy! Card I love you!
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Great book. One of my favorites.

The rest of the series should be avoided though.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 300884


Noted, thanks for the heads up.
 Quoting: CharlieMurphy


don't listen to this guy. the first book is great, an easier to handle, but the other 7 books are excellent as well.

the remaining 3 in the first set are about ender's life while out in space/visiting other planets

the other series of 4 is about the remainder of Ender's crew back on Earth after he's left the planet. all of the different characters end up in positions of political power across the different nations of the planet.

great reading...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21666560


To clarify why I think the series is much worse than the first book:

The first book is about mankind facing an existential threat in the form of an enemy that is almost impossible to fight. The only way for the human race to survive is to compromise on moral principles and do some pretty nasty things, like abusing children, raising them to know nothing but war. This combination of mortal threat and moral dilemma gives the first book a very tangible tension.

The rest of the books are instead about how Ender finds out that humans and aliens can all be friends. This may be "enlightened" and all, but it gives no where near the gut-wrenching tension of the first book.

They're all well written enough, but I think the first is a far superior reading experience.
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You also may appreciate the Enders Shadow series more then. It is much different than Enders Game, it takes place right after the war and the defeat of the Formics. It is what happens on Earth afterwards.
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Noted, thanks for the heads up.
 Quoting: CharlieMurphy


don't listen to this guy. the first book is great, an easier to handle, but the other 7 books are excellent as well.

the remaining 3 in the first set are about ender's life while out in space/visiting other planets

the other series of 4 is about the remainder of Ender's crew back on Earth after he's left the planet. all of the different characters end up in positions of political power across the different nations of the planet.

great reading...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21666560


To clarify why I think the series is much worse than the first book:

The first book is about mankind facing an existential threat in the form of an enemy that is almost impossible to fight. The only way for the human race to survive is to compromise on moral principles and do some pretty nasty things, like abusing children, raising them to know nothing but war. This combination of mortal threat and moral dilemma gives the first book a very tangible tension.

The rest of the books are instead about how Ender finds out that humans and aliens can all be friends. This may be "enlightened" and all, but it gives no where near the gut-wrenching tension of the first book.

They're all well written enough, but I think the first is a far superior reading experience.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 300884


You also may appreciate the Enders Shadow series more then. It is much different than Enders Game, it takes place right after the war and the defeat of the Formics. It is what happens on Earth afterwards.
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I'll check out Ender's Shadow then, thanks for the pointer!
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The audio books are a great option to reading all those books.
The Ender series is probably my favorite books of all time.
Been waiting for the movie for quite a while.
I hope they stick as close to the books as possible.
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The audio books are a great option to reading all those books.
The Ender series is probably my favorite books of all time.
Been waiting for the movie for quite a while.
I hope they stick as close to the books as possible.
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I hope so too. Such a very good book. While looking through his wiki I noticed that "Speaker for the Dead" won awards too. It has solidified my desire to explore more of the series.
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The audio books are a great option to reading all those books.
The Ender series is probably my favorite books of all time.
Been waiting for the movie for quite a while.
I hope they stick as close to the books as possible.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35443281


I hope so too. Such a very good book. While looking through his wiki I noticed that "Speaker for the Dead" won awards too. It has solidified my desire to explore more of the series.
 Quoting: CharlieMurphy


Yeah, I think I may too. I read Speaker for the Dead and Xenocide ages ago.

Need to start reading the Bean books.
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The audio books are a great option to reading all those books.
The Ender series is probably my favorite books of all time.
Been waiting for the movie for quite a while.
I hope they stick as close to the books as possible.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35443281


I hope so too. Such a very good book. While looking through his wiki I noticed that "Speaker for the Dead" won awards too. It has solidified my desire to explore more of the series.
 Quoting: CharlieMurphy


Yeah, I think I may too. I read Speaker for the Dead and Xenocide ages ago.

Need to start reading the Bean books.
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Yea, those sound good too.
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I love this book. I have not found any other book that truly understands what its like growing up as a gay boy! Card I love you!
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Card is no great friend to gay people. Which is odd, since he writes some of the most sympathetic gay characters I've every read in some of his earlier books. Stick to his earlier books, don't read too much about him, and avoid disillusionment.
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Tomorrow afternoon we discuss once I am done with work. I picked this book off my shelf today after not having read it for at least 15 years. I plowed through it and am almost done, but am a little too drunk to discuss it now. I will wait for tomorrow.

Until then feel free to discuss without me.

The number one thing that strikes me is the day to day technology they use. Card was a fucking visionary, the things that don't even exist today, you can see technology leading to.

The other thing that strikes me is the manipulation his siblings use of "the net" (what we would consider forums today). He wrote the book in 1977, how the fuck did he know about the internet?

Anyways, I will get more into this thread tomorrow, headed to bed now. Going to finish the book and work tomorrow, be back after.

God damn the book was practically falling apart. Old, paperback, turning colors and falling apart.
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you know how many Mormons are fucking intelligence agents? That's how he knew.
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I love this book. I have not found any other book that truly understands what its like growing up as a gay boy! Card I love you!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6203940


Card is no great friend to gay people. Which is odd, since he writes some of the most sympathetic gay characters I've every read in some of his earlier books. Stick to his earlier books, don't read too much about him, and avoid disillusionment.
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Haven't read that book for years, but aren't the bad guys called "buggers"? And we all know what the definition of that is, don't we?
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I love this book. I have not found any other book that truly understands what its like growing up as a gay boy! Card I love you!
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Card is no great friend to gay people. Which is odd, since he writes some of the most sympathetic gay characters I've every read in some of his earlier books. Stick to his earlier books, don't read too much about him, and avoid disillusionment.
 Quoting: AlkaliDesert


Haven't read that book for years, but aren't the bad guys called "buggers"? And we all know what the definition of that is, don't we?
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If I remember right, he claims unawareness of that definition when he wrote the original book. The newer books (ie. the branch published in the last 15 years) change the name to Formics.

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Wow didn`t know they were making this into a movie. Loved the book.





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