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Death is the penalty for sin. First Death (bodily death) Second Death (death of the spirit)


Revelation 14
If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. And he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

Obviously, this takes place at Christ's second coming.

Those who have a part in this system of "Babylon," and who receive this frightful punishment from Almighty God, have "no rest day or night" as long as they remain in that land falling under God's wrath. They will either have to flee that area and seek God's mercy or be tormented by fire and sulfurous fumes until they perish.

Notice that verse 11 says, "The smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever," not that these individuals will be tormented forever in an ever-burning hell. God is not a sadist who wishes to torment His enemies perpetually. He clearly says in Romans 6:23 that "that wages of sin is death," and that is what is being described here: a death of well-deserved but short-lived agony.

The Bible plainly teaches that flesh and blood is subject to combustion and death (Hebrews 9:27; Genesis 3:19;Ecclesiastes 3:20). Malachi 4:3 says that in the end the ashes of the wicked will be under the feet of the righteous. The wicked will be destroyed and will die that death, the second death, from which there will never be a resurrection (Revelation 20:6, 14).

Only the Beast (Antichrist),False Prophet and Satan are tormented in Hell.

Revelation 19 17-21
17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and with a loud voice he called to all the birds that fly directly overhead, b“Come, gather for the great supper of God, 18 to eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all men, both free and slave,5 both small and great.” 19 And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies gathered to make war against him who was sitting on the horse and against his army. 20 And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur. 21 And the rest were slain by the sword that came from the mouth of him who was sitting on the horse, and mall the birds were gorged with their flesh.

1 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time. 4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
Satan's Doom
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth--Gog and Magog--to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur,where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
The Dead Are Judged
11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life.The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death (spiritual death). 15 If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
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So instead of torturing them forever..he just slaughters em en masse..

Hmmm..interesting choice..

A sadistic tortuing prick...or a mass murdering bastard..

WHAT a choice...
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Quote the last part

"15 If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."
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Quote the last part

"15 If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."
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Quote the last part

"15 If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."
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Yeah OP..God is a sadistic tortuing CUNT and will burn billions of people alive in screaming agony forever without mercy or pity..

SO THERE!

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Annihilation is a big step up from Endless Torture, but it remains an unsatisfactory outcome for Love

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Quote the last part

"15 If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."
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They are not thrown in alive, only the spirit is thrown into the lake of fire. I don't believe a spirit can feel pain, do you?
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Thread: There is no HELL ...
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So instead of torturing them forever..he just slaughters em en masse..

Hmmm..interesting choice..

A sadistic tortuing prick...or a mass murdering bastard..

WHAT a choice...
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Most likely a nuclear attack that God will allow to happen. It is evil men, that will be the mass murders, not God. I don't believe He has any WMD's in heaven.
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Basically that is what I already said, if your spirit is dead you will have a consciousnesses. You won't be anywhere, just dead.

Hell is only for Satan, the Antichrist and the False Prophet.
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Eat 10 hits of acid then blaspheme, then if you haven't commited suicide by then get back at me and say your spirit is painless
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 Quoting: Lamplite


Basically that is what I already said, if your spirit is dead you will have a consciousnesses. You won't be anywhere, just dead.

Hell is only for Satan, the Antichrist and the False Prophet.
 Quoting: Keep watch Be ready


Hell contradicts these bible verses.

Isaiah 52:10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Isaiah 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. (8) He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

John 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.
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I will FORCE these verses to fit smack bang right into the eternal torture doctrine.

Takes a fair bit of twisting but most christians should not have a problem with it because what I am about to do is EXACTLY what they teach..


Ya ready for a shock???

Isaiah 52:10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of a small fraction of the nations; and some of the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall about 10% of mankind be made alive and the rest slaughtered.

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of just a few men, and only of those that believe.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away...except in hell where screaming and pain and tears and death will continue quite happily for eternity.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away...except In the lake of fire where death dwells..despite there being no more death.

Isaiah 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. (8) He will swallow up 10% of death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off about 10% of faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off a bit of the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it....and the other 90% of manking he will ruthlessly slaughter

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw about 10% of men unto me and kill the rest.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and for our's only, but not for the sins of the whole world.

John 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of part of the world.


Wellthere you go..christian doctrine EXACTLY as its taught word for word.

Makes me wonder WHY they have not changed the verses like I did to make their god of torture fit his word.

Heck..if the JW's can chop and change the bible to suit their doctrines..why cant christians??
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Truth!!

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 Quoting: Lamplite


Basically that is what I already said, if your spirit is dead you will have a consciousnesses. You won't be anywhere, just dead.

Hell is only for Satan, the Antichrist and the False Prophet.
 Quoting: Keep watch Be ready


Hell contradicts these bible verses.

Isaiah 52:10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Isaiah 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. (8) He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

John 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.
.


I will FORCE these verses to fit smack bang right into the eternal torture doctrine.

Takes a fair bit of twisting but most christians should not have a problem with it because what I am about to do is EXACTLY what they teach..


Ya ready for a shock???

Isaiah 52:10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of a small fraction of the nations; and some of the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall about 10% of mankind be made alive and the rest slaughtered.

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of just a few men, and only of those that believe.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away...except in hell where screaming and pain and tears and death will continue quite happily for eternity.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away...except In the lake of fire where death dwells..despite there being no more death.

Isaiah 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. (8) He will swallow up 10% of death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off about 10% of faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off a bit of the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it....and the other 90% of manking he will ruthlessly slaughter

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw about 10% of men unto me and kill the rest.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and for our's only, but not for the sins of the whole world.

John 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of part of the world.


Wellthere you go..christian doctrine EXACTLY as its taught word for word.

Makes me wonder WHY they have not changed the verses like I did to make their god of torture fit his word.

Heck..if the JW's can chop and change the bible to suit their doctrines..why cant christians??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17030813


applause
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 Quoting: Lamplite


Basically that is what I already said, if your spirit is dead you will have a consciousnesses. You won't be anywhere, just dead.

Hell is only for Satan, the Antichrist and the False Prophet.
 Quoting: Keep watch Be ready


Hell contradicts these bible verses.

Isaiah 52:10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Isaiah 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. (8) He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

John 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.
.


I will FORCE these verses to fit smack bang right into the eternal torture doctrine.

Takes a fair bit of twisting but most christians should not have a problem with it because what I am about to do is EXACTLY what they teach..


Ya ready for a shock???

Isaiah 52:10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of a small fraction of the nations; and some of the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall about 10% of mankind be made alive and the rest slaughtered.

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of just a few men, and only of those that believe.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away...except in hell where screaming and pain and tears and death will continue quite happily for eternity.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away...except In the lake of fire where death dwells..despite there being no more death.

Isaiah 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. (8) He will swallow up 10% of death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off about 10% of faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off a bit of the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it....and the other 90% of manking he will ruthlessly slaughter

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw about 10% of men unto me and kill the rest.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and for our's only, but not for the sins of the whole world.

John 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of part of the world.


Wellthere you go..christian doctrine EXACTLY as its taught word for word.

Makes me wonder WHY they have not changed the verses like I did to make their god of torture fit his word.

Heck..if the JW's can chop and change the bible to suit their doctrines..why cant christians??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17030813


applause
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


Yeah..the torture and slaughter tards went REAL quiet didnt they.

Maybe they have gone somewhere to re write the bible like the JWS to suit their doctrines...
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Re: Proof: No endless torment in hell
 Quoting: Lamplite


Basically that is what I already said, if your spirit is dead you will have a consciousnesses. You won't be anywhere, just dead.

Hell is only for Satan, the Antichrist and the False Prophet.
 Quoting: Keep watch Be ready


Hell contradicts these bible verses.

Isaiah 52:10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Isaiah 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. (8) He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

John 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.
.


I will FORCE these verses to fit smack bang right into the eternal torture doctrine.

Takes a fair bit of twisting but most christians should not have a problem with it because what I am about to do is EXACTLY what they teach..


Ya ready for a shock???

Isaiah 52:10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of a small fraction of the nations; and some of the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall about 10% of mankind be made alive and the rest slaughtered.

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of just a few men, and only of those that believe.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away...except in hell where screaming and pain and tears and death will continue quite happily for eternity.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away...except In the lake of fire where death dwells..despite there being no more death.

Isaiah 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. (8) He will swallow up 10% of death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off about 10% of faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off a bit of the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it....and the other 90% of manking he will ruthlessly slaughter

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw about 10% of men unto me and kill the rest.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and for our's only, but not for the sins of the whole world.

John 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of part of the world.


Wellthere you go..christian doctrine EXACTLY as its taught word for word.

Makes me wonder WHY they have not changed the verses like I did to make their god of torture fit his word.

Heck..if the JW's can chop and change the bible to suit their doctrines..why cant christians??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17030813


I like your outlook, it's those IF verses that always get me. I have also read that the lake of fire will purify, the spirit of evil. So the verses above could indicate that. I will have to research that some more. :)
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 Quoting: Lamplite


Basically that is what I already said, if your spirit is dead you will have a consciousnesses. You won't be anywhere, just dead.

Hell is only for Satan, the Antichrist and the False Prophet.
 Quoting: Keep watch Be ready


Hell contradicts these bible verses.

Isaiah 52:10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Isaiah 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. (8) He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

John 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.
.


I will FORCE these verses to fit smack bang right into the eternal torture doctrine.

Takes a fair bit of twisting but most christians should not have a problem with it because what I am about to do is EXACTLY what they teach..


Ya ready for a shock???

Isaiah 52:10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of a small fraction of the nations; and some of the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall about 10% of mankind be made alive and the rest slaughtered.

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of just a few men, and only of those that believe.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away...except in hell where screaming and pain and tears and death will continue quite happily for eternity.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away...except In the lake of fire where death dwells..despite there being no more death.

Isaiah 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. (8) He will swallow up 10% of death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off about 10% of faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off a bit of the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it....and the other 90% of manking he will ruthlessly slaughter

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw about 10% of men unto me and kill the rest.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and for our's only, but not for the sins of the whole world.

John 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of part of the world.


Wellthere you go..christian doctrine EXACTLY as its taught word for word.

Makes me wonder WHY they have not changed the verses like I did to make their god of torture fit his word.

Heck..if the JW's can chop and change the bible to suit their doctrines..why cant christians??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17030813


I like your outlook, it's those IF verses that always get me. I have also read that the lake of fire will purify, the spirit of evil. So the verses above could indicate that. I will have to research that some more. :)
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You are on the right track...keep searching.

I did.

You seek..ya find.
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Re: Proof: No endless torment in hell
see that "mark" is bugging me a bit. I can see them, snoop even came out as dan with his mark, so who are the others, what about the few with no marks and the others that "change" as you look?


as confusing as the "stars" for sure.
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Re: Proof: No endless torment in hell
see that "mark" is bugging me a bit. I can see them, snoop even came out as dan with his mark, so who are the others, what about the few with no marks and the others that "change" as you look?


as confusing as the "stars" for sure.
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Are you asking what will happen to those who don't take the mark? They will be saved and live with Jesus 1000 years.
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Re: Proof: No endless torment in hell
There is no Hell because the Bible is a load of hogwash!
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Re: Proof: No endless torment in hell
no, you going to get your hell.

Do enjoy;


pie just dont taste so sweet....





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