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Can you trust the Bible historically?

 
beeches

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I can.
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Nighthawks  (OP)

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The New Testament was written within the first generation of those who were witness to Jesus Christ and has a 99.5% accuracy between the original and the copies of it. This is the oldest, most historical book on record.
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How could you know? Originals don't exist anymore.

Constantine took over the original scriptures, he could do anything with them, and I bet he adulterated it for his own good.
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prove it.
 Quoting: Nighthawks


History proves it, kind of. Constantine obviously didn't have every single piece of scripture of the time, but he had access to a large percentage of significant works.

Sorry.
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How do you know what Constantine did or didn't do? Is there a written record of it?

There is a written record of what Jesus Christ did. It was written by people who were witness to His greatness.
Quran 8:12- Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you:
give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers:
smite them above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith - 7.88: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
Nighthawks  (OP)

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I can.
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Because you have eyes that can see and ears that can listen, there is a glorious place waiting for you when you die.
Quran 8:12- Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you:
give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers:
smite them above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith - 7.88: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
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To some extent but not perfectly. However, there is no other historical document that is accurate either. People play with the past all the time for different agendas. "History is written by the winners," said Napoleon. Scholars need to justify their usefulness by re-writing the past to make it look like a "discovery." All sorts of people re-write history for political or ideological reasons.

We really know very little with certainty about what happened long ago. Heck, even trying to figure out what happened last week is tough with all the spin-doctoring going on.
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Yes, but the New Testament was copied 5600 times with a 99.5& accuracy. If the book was molested, there is no way the person/people making the changes could have gotten to all 5600 copies (which were spread all over Asia, Europe, and Africa)
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That is because the publicist was a single entity in the beginning of the "Bible" distribution.

Prior to that, Christianity was a very localized phenomenon and not spread globally. It was not until much, much later in time that Christianity was known and practiced in Asia for example. They copied the books accurately for any number of story and legend of those times.

The funny thing about the Bible, is it cannot be corroborated clearly and precisely with known historical record. People have tried, in fact, people have made careers out of trying to track down historical record of Jesus Christ outside of the bible....with no luck. Because the dates are most certainly incorrect, and all the significant stories of the Old testament are told in much richer detail in Mesopotamian history, where they all originated from to begin with.
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How could you know? Originals don't exist anymore.

Constantine took over the original scriptures, he could do anything with them, and I bet he adulterated it for his own good.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43863199


prove it.
 Quoting: Nighthawks


History proves it, kind of. Constantine obviously didn't have every single piece of scripture of the time, but he had access to a large percentage of significant works.

Sorry.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43972497


How do you know what Constantine did or didn't do? Is there a written record of it?

There is a written record of what Jesus Christ did. It was written by people who were witness to His greatness.
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yes actually, there are extensive written records pertaining to the life of Constantine in any decent library in any part of the free world. There would be many volumes devoted to his time of rule and life.

Jesus has only the bible, and the things written about in the bible.

Your confusion comes in the the attempts to measure your belief structure(my guess would be Americanized Christianty?) with reality.
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How could you know? Originals don't exist anymore.

Constantine took over the original scriptures, he could do anything with them, and I bet he adulterated it for his own good.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43863199


prove it.
 Quoting: Nighthawks


the one who makes the original claim is the one who has to provide proof. same with christianity having to prove god exists to atheists and every single other thing. such as: i can fly. it is up to him to prove he can fly not others to prove he can't fly.
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I have already provided enough evidence in the video and the links I posted. I am not going to sit here and type out arguments that will only go in circles. These types of posts always go in circles with you people. That is your tactic.

Nothing I say or do can get you to change your mind.

If this video helps just one struggling Christian understand that the Bible can be trusted, I will be happy. And if it doesn't...I am still happy because I know that Christians have seen this video and it helped solidify their beliefs, as it did mine.

If you chose to believe something you read on the internet that you think disproves my theories, that's your fault. I choose to believe a 2000 y/o book that has been proven historically accurate.
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What you are doing by pleading for this is asking people to read the Bible literally as a historical document.

What event has "been proven historically accurate" so definitively for you?
shyrlymyrly

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Chris White is very intelligent guy, I recommend to look into his youtube channel. But the historicity of Bible is proved to be right many times.
I'm a bibletard, sorry for the inconvenience.
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prove it.
 Quoting: Nighthawks


History proves it, kind of. Constantine obviously didn't have every single piece of scripture of the time, but he had access to a large percentage of significant works.

Sorry.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43972497


How do you know what Constantine did or didn't do? Is there a written record of it?

There is a written record of what Jesus Christ did. It was written by people who were witness to His greatness.
 Quoting: Nighthawks




yes actually, there are extensive written records pertaining to the life of Constantine in any decent library in any part of the free world. There would be many volumes devoted to his time of rule and life.

Jesus has only the bible, and the things written about in the bible.

Your confusion comes in the the attempts to measure your belief structure(my guess would be Americanized Christianty?) with reality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43972497


I will quote another person from page 1, who quoted Napoleon -"History is written by the winners"
It all boils down to trusting what was written. Many ancient copies of the bibles have been cross examined and they come back with 99.5% accuracy. I am sure what was written about Constantine cannot compare to that accuracy.
Quran 8:12- Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you:
give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers:
smite them above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith - 7.88: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
Nighthawks  (OP)

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07/24/2013 12:21 PM
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Chris White is very intelligent guy, I recommend to look into his youtube channel. But the historicity of Bible is proved to be right many times.
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Thanks! I will. I found this video very enlightening. I am glad I shared it.
Quran 8:12- Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you:
give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers:
smite them above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith - 7.88: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
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07/24/2013 12:29 PM
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Some people need the bible to be the inerrant word of God.

Most people don't.
Nighthawks  (OP)

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07/24/2013 12:35 PM
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Some people need the bible to be the inerrant word of God.

Most people don't.
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Revelations 22: 9-21
9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
Quran 8:12- Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you:
give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers:
smite them above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith - 7.88: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
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OP, can you cite any example of historical inaccuracy in the bible?
Nighthawks  (OP)

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OP, can you cite any example of historical inaccuracy in the bible?
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Did you even watch the video?
Quran 8:12- Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you:
give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers:
smite them above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith - 7.88: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
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Quran 8:12- Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you:
give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers:
smite them above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith - 7.88: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
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Hell no, you can't.

A man swallowed by a fish and lived???

People coming back from the dead???

OH SURE...





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