Question for Muslims and Christians. I Have left Islam and embraced Christianity, am I going to Hell? What Say You! | |
Nighthawks User ID: 33172024 ![]() 07/25/2013 09:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Question for Muslims and Christians. I Have left Islam and embraced Christianity, am I going to Hell? What Say You! I am an Army veteran as well (OIF + OEF) and all I can say to you is don't give up hope. Keep your head up. Jesus will guide you if you ask Him to. Don't let the actions of others dictate your faith. Look at the core principals of Christianity and you will see that it is a loving religion. Study the New Testament. I tried to green karma you but I already did this week. I'll get you soon. -side note, I am a descendant of King Charlemange. I discovered this a few years back after a relative of mine studied our genealogy Peace, Brother. Quran 8:12- Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite them above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith - 7.88: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death). |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 43631963 ![]() 07/25/2013 10:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Question for Muslims and Christians. I Have left Islam and embraced Christianity, am I going to Hell? What Say You! I am an Army veteran as well (OIF + OEF) and all I can say to you is don't give up hope. Keep your head up. Jesus will guide you if you ask Him to. Don't let the actions of others dictate your faith. Look at the core principals of Christianity and you will see that it is a loving religion. Study the New Testament. Quoting: Nighthawks I tried to green karma you but I already did this week. I'll get you soon. -side note, I am a descendant of King Charlemange. I discovered this a few years back after a relative of mine studied our genealogy Peace, Brother. Bless You! Charlemagne is Gods gift to the world. He is most noble and my most important historical figure. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 43825001 ![]() 07/25/2013 10:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Question for Muslims and Christians. I Have left Islam and embraced Christianity, am I going to Hell? What Say You! Did this punishment you are saying begin once you started to explore Christianity? And what do you mean by punishment what is happening to you? I am so very sorry for what you have been through while you were in the service. I would love to help you get some perspective to it all I have helped others in your exact situation in the past. You can get a measure of peace, you can find love. This is not the time for an ending. What do you need to come to terms with all this? That is the real question. The answers are out there. ![]() |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 43631963 ![]() 07/25/2013 10:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Question for Muslims and Christians. I Have left Islam and embraced Christianity, am I going to Hell? What Say You! Who voted me down with a bad karma, and what do you mean wrong way? Are you implying that Islam is right and Christianity is wrong? What's your point? State your argument and back it up. You may hate me or call me a traitor but it would be typical of a Muslim doing that because leaving Islam mean being condemned to hell "according to you Muslims, RIGHT! I am proud of my decision! |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 43631963 ![]() 07/25/2013 10:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Question for Muslims and Christians. I Have left Islam and embraced Christianity, am I going to Hell? What Say You! Did this punishment you are saying begin once you started to explore Christianity? And what do you mean by punishment what is happening to you? Quoting: ByFaithAlone I am so very sorry for what you have been through while you were in the service. I would love to help you get some perspective to it all I have helped others in your exact situation in the past. You can get a measure of peace, you can find love. This is not the time for an ending. What do you need to come to terms with all this? That is the real question. The answers are out there. ![]() Since I came back from deployment I distanced myself from Islam because of how I felt about what I saw and experienced. Also, After I received those vaccines I became very sick and ended up in the hospital. I was completely healthy and after the shots my body just wen crazy. Dizziness, heart palpitations, numbness in all 4s,bijemminy, tri-jemminy, Blood pressure spikes, Blood pressure dropping, fainting, passing out, collapsing, Skin rashes, Hives, Anaphilactic( I needed to care epipens everywhere I went). Night sweats, diarrhea, allergies, unexplained neurological problems and much more. The list goes on and no doctor can figure it out. I have had about 25-20 CSAN. 20 MRI Two cardio-caths. 50 ultrasounds over 100 procedures. seen over 200 doctors. Nothing. I have see Physchs, and much more, nothing, absolutely nothing. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 43825001 ![]() 07/25/2013 10:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Question for Muslims and Christians. I Have left Islam and embraced Christianity, am I going to Hell? What Say You! Did this punishment you are saying begin once you started to explore Christianity? And what do you mean by punishment what is happening to you? Quoting: ByFaithAlone I am so very sorry for what you have been through while you were in the service. I would love to help you get some perspective to it all I have helped others in your exact situation in the past. You can get a measure of peace, you can find love. This is not the time for an ending. What do you need to come to terms with all this? That is the real question. The answers are out there. ![]() Since I came back from deployment I distanced myself from Islam because of how I felt about what I saw and experienced. Also, After I received those vaccines I became very sick and ended up in the hospital. I was completely healthy and after the shots my body just wen crazy. Dizziness, heart palpitations, numbness in all 4s,bijemminy, tri-jemminy, Blood pressure spikes, Blood pressure dropping, fainting, passing out, collapsing, Skin rashes, Hives, Anaphilactic( I needed to care epipens everywhere I went). Night sweats, diarrhea, allergies, unexplained neurological problems and much more. The list goes on and no doctor can figure it out. I have had about 25-20 CSAN. 20 MRI Two cardio-caths. 50 ultrasounds over 100 procedures. seen over 200 doctors. Nothing. I have see Physchs, and much more, nothing, absolutely nothing. You are an almost perfect candidate for gulf war syndrome. Either you were exposed to poisen or someone exposed you if you catch my drift. Your immune system is in chaos and causing heart problems. Has a doctor explored this diagnosis with you? I would presume your immune system needs a reset and cleansing-you go to a Dr. And they will probably try to put you on a massive long running dose of steroids. Their are other ways to do it if you explore holistic medicine that do not have the damage steroids do on the body. I forgot to put in my other post also if you accept Jesus and what he did for all of us in your heart you are not going to hell. You are starting down the right track. As the saying goes you will know them by their fruits. If you experience hatred on the level you have I totally understand why it made you dislike it. ![]() |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 43631963 ![]() 07/25/2013 11:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Question for Muslims and Christians. I Have left Islam and embraced Christianity, am I going to Hell? What Say You! Did this punishment you are saying begin once you started to explore Christianity? And what do you mean by punishment what is happening to you? Quoting: ByFaithAlone I am so very sorry for what you have been through while you were in the service. I would love to help you get some perspective to it all I have helped others in your exact situation in the past. You can get a measure of peace, you can find love. This is not the time for an ending. What do you need to come to terms with all this? That is the real question. The answers are out there. ![]() Since I came back from deployment I distanced myself from Islam because of how I felt about what I saw and experienced. Also, After I received those vaccines I became very sick and ended up in the hospital. I was completely healthy and after the shots my body just wen crazy. Dizziness, heart palpitations, numbness in all 4s,bijemminy, tri-jemminy, Blood pressure spikes, Blood pressure dropping, fainting, passing out, collapsing, Skin rashes, Hives, Anaphilactic( I needed to care epipens everywhere I went). Night sweats, diarrhea, allergies, unexplained neurological problems and much more. The list goes on and no doctor can figure it out. I have had about 25-20 CSAN. 20 MRI Two cardio-caths. 50 ultrasounds over 100 procedures. seen over 200 doctors. Nothing. I have see Physchs, and much more, nothing, absolutely nothing. You are an almost perfect candidate for gulf war syndrome. Either you were exposed to poisen or someone exposed you if you catch my drift. Your immune system is in chaos and causing heart problems. Has a doctor explored this diagnosis with you? I would presume your immune system needs a reset and cleansing-you go to a Dr. And they will probably try to put you on a massive long running dose of steroids. Their are other ways to do it if you explore holistic medicine that do not have the damage steroids do on the body. I forgot to put in my other post also if you accept Jesus and what he did for all of us in your heart you are not going to hell. You are starting down the right track. As the saying goes you will know them by their fruits. If you experience hatred on the level you have I totally understand why it made you dislike it. ![]() Thank You. I think I was injected with some bad vaccines or had a bad reaction. I hope someone figures it out because it has changed my life for the worse. It is debilitating and no longer bearable. |
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Canuck NLI User ID: 38864159 ![]() 07/25/2013 11:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Question for Muslims and Christians. I Have left Islam and embraced Christianity, am I going to Hell? What Say You! OP, why do you want to jump from the frying pan into the fire... What is it that makes you think you "need" religion? Can't you be a decent, considerate, caring, loving human being without resorting to religion? It's all bullshit ya know..... Turtle Island was a beautiful home for the First Nations Peoples to live on until it got "religion" brought to it by the white man from across the big waters.... |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 43631963 ![]() 07/25/2013 11:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Question for Muslims and Christians. I Have left Islam and embraced Christianity, am I going to Hell? What Say You! A large amount of Muslim men and woman are having visions and dreams of Jesus Christ, and turning to him, it's so powerful to hear the testimony. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4466696 It real is hard sometimes and trying to figure out the truth opens up more questions than answers but I certainly have seen so mush bad Muslims, I just knew something is not right. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 43631963 ![]() 07/25/2013 11:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Question for Muslims and Christians. I Have left Islam and embraced Christianity, am I going to Hell? What Say You! OP, why do you want to jump from the frying pan into the fire... Quoting: Canuck NLI 38864159 What is it that makes you think you "need" religion? Can't you be a decent, considerate, caring, loving human being without resorting to religion? It's all bullshit ya know..... Turtle Island was a beautiful home for the First Nations Peoples to live on until it got "religion" brought to it by the white man from across the big waters.... You may have a point Canuk. I don't doubt you. I just have to find peace and hope that what ever happened to me after deployment goes away. I think God might be mad at me. |
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Raoulduke User ID: 43831110 ![]() 07/25/2013 11:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Question for Muslims and Christians. I Have left Islam and embraced Christianity, am I going to Hell? What Say You! In my opinion religions are just a herding device that some in power use to control the minds, habits, tendencies, prejudices, and pockets of people willing to believe in what they are selling. I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. - HST |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 43825001 ![]() 07/25/2013 11:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Question for Muslims and Christians. I Have left Islam and embraced Christianity, am I going to Hell? What Say You! OP, why do you want to jump from the frying pan into the fire... Quoting: Canuck NLI 38864159 What is it that makes you think you "need" religion? Can't you be a decent, considerate, caring, loving human being without resorting to religion? It's all bullshit ya know..... Turtle Island was a beautiful home for the First Nations Peoples to live on until it got "religion" brought to it by the white man from across the big waters.... You may have a point Canuk. I don't doubt you. I just have to find peace and hope that what ever happened to me after deployment goes away. I think God might be mad at me. God is not mad at you. What you are going through is not his anger at all. Tell me something regarding what just said-can you grasp this? What do you think? What does your mind say when you doubt its truth. Talk with me from your heart why you doubt. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 43631963 ![]() 07/25/2013 11:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Question for Muslims and Christians. I Have left Islam and embraced Christianity, am I going to Hell? What Say You! In my opinion religions are just a herding device that some in power use to control the minds, habits, tendencies, prejudices, and pockets of people willing to believe in what they are selling. Good point but it is hard to let go of a belief sometimes. |
Canuck NLI User ID: 38864159 ![]() 07/25/2013 11:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Question for Muslims and Christians. I Have left Islam and embraced Christianity, am I going to Hell? What Say You! OP, why do you want to jump from the frying pan into the fire... Quoting: Canuck NLI 38864159 What is it that makes you think you "need" religion? Can't you be a decent, considerate, caring, loving human being without resorting to religion? It's all bullshit ya know..... Turtle Island was a beautiful home for the First Nations Peoples to live on until it got "religion" brought to it by the white man from across the big waters.... You may have a point Canuk. I don't doubt you. I just have to find peace and hope that what ever happened to me after deployment goes away. I think God might be mad at me. Rest assured the Creator is not "mad" at you. The Creator is not mad at anyone, and certainly not whether they are religious or not. Have you ever heard of a trilogy of books called Conversations with God, by Neale Walsch. You should perhaps attempt to read the first one, just to see if you get something out of it. Many people unfortunately cannot see or take anything from the lessons in these books...... Best wishes to you.... |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 43631963 ![]() 07/25/2013 11:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Question for Muslims and Christians. I Have left Islam and embraced Christianity, am I going to Hell? What Say You! OP, why do you want to jump from the frying pan into the fire... Quoting: Canuck NLI 38864159 What is it that makes you think you "need" religion? Can't you be a decent, considerate, caring, loving human being without resorting to religion? It's all bullshit ya know..... Turtle Island was a beautiful home for the First Nations Peoples to live on until it got "religion" brought to it by the white man from across the big waters.... You may have a point Canuk. I don't doubt you. I just have to find peace and hope that what ever happened to me after deployment goes away. I think God might be mad at me. God is not mad at you. What you are going through is not his anger at all. Tell me something regarding what just said-can you grasp this? What do you think? What does your mind say when you doubt its truth. Talk with me from your heart why you doubt. In Islam you are condemned to hell if you leave it. Also God punishes you for not believing or swaying away from Islam. They say you will get punish here and the hereafter if you anger God. So maybe He is Angry at me. Like I said earlier I don't believe that is the case but sometimes I seem to think it is because of all the health issues I have got after I left Islam and after I received those darn vaccines. I have doubts but I also have strong will power but I can only endure so much. |
Raoulduke User ID: 43831110 ![]() 07/25/2013 11:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Question for Muslims and Christians. I Have left Islam and embraced Christianity, am I going to Hell? What Say You! In my opinion religions are just a herding device that some in power use to control the minds, habits, tendencies, prejudices, and pockets of people willing to believe in what they are selling. Good point but it is hard to let go of a belief sometimes. What has that belief done for you? Made you a moral person? Strenghtened your convictions? Steadied your hand? Or has regular common sense, free will, and human nature done all of that while religious belief has just told you what to eat, wear, worship, and who to fear or follow while claiming responsibility for everything? I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. - HST |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 43631963 ![]() 07/25/2013 11:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Question for Muslims and Christians. I Have left Islam and embraced Christianity, am I going to Hell? What Say You! OP, why do you want to jump from the frying pan into the fire... Quoting: Canuck NLI 38864159 What is it that makes you think you "need" religion? Can't you be a decent, considerate, caring, loving human being without resorting to religion? It's all bullshit ya know..... Turtle Island was a beautiful home for the First Nations Peoples to live on until it got "religion" brought to it by the white man from across the big waters.... You may have a point Canuk. I don't doubt you. I just have to find peace and hope that what ever happened to me after deployment goes away. I think God might be mad at me. Rest assured the Creator is not "mad" at you. The Creator is not mad at anyone, and certainly not whether they are religious or not. Have you ever heard of a trilogy of books called Conversations with God, by Neale Walsch. You should perhaps attempt to read the first one, just to see if you get something out of it. Many people unfortunately cannot see or take anything from the lessons in these books...... Best wishes to you.... Thank you for the advice. I will look that trilogy up and read it. Maybe it will help. Peace... |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 43631963 ![]() 07/25/2013 11:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Question for Muslims and Christians. I Have left Islam and embraced Christianity, am I going to Hell? What Say You! In my opinion religions are just a herding device that some in power use to control the minds, habits, tendencies, prejudices, and pockets of people willing to believe in what they are selling. Good point but it is hard to let go of a belief sometimes. What has that belief done for you? Made you a moral person? Strenghtened your convictions? Steadied your hand? Or has regular common sense, free will, and human nature done all of that while religious belief has just told you what to eat, wear, worship, and who to fear or follow while claiming responsibility for everything? Very true. You make good sense. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 17678855 ![]() 07/25/2013 11:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Question for Muslims and Christians. I Have left Islam and embraced Christianity, am I going to Hell? What Say You! Who voted me down with a bad karma, and what do you mean wrong way? Are you implying that Islam is right and Christianity is wrong? What's your point? State your argument and back it up. You may hate me or call me a traitor but it would be typical of a Muslim doing that because leaving Islam mean being condemned to hell "according to you Muslims, RIGHT! I am proud of my decision! Quoting: Centurion Christians AND muslims..and most other religions..all share these traits and teachings...as you are finding out. 1) They are ALL convinced THEY are right and all the others are wrong. 2)They are all certain..and voice this much and as often as thay can..that the ones who are "Wrong" will be tortured forever by whatever brand of bi polar sadistic god they worship. 3)They all use fear and terror to control their members EG:-"Do as this law/teaching/guru/pastor/book/priest/sermon ect suggests or you will be cursed/burned alive forever/smitten/come under demonic attack/end up possessed/ ect. 4)They are all about CONTROL..control of your money..of your mind..of your actions/words/life and they all impose guilt and fear as "punishment" if you dont tow the line. 5)They are all about money..it always comes down to CASH..and if you dont hand it over they label you a "God robber"..you are robbing God..and thus come under the punishments/threats made in point 3. 6)They all use "LOVE" as the bait to get you in..mixed with "Fear" of some sort of terrible DOOM if you dont join them. Thenonce they have you the LOVE stops..and the DOOM increases..till you are left a mindless fear controlled zombie..arrogant and proud and self righteous..and the victim..who then being fully "Indoctrinated" after a time...then beleives point 1 completely..and proceesd to inflict steps 2 to 5 on other prospective victims. Any religion or creed thast uses these techniques are opertaing under the precepts of what you would term "Darkness"..or "Evil" because evil, by its very nature, runs and feeds and grows stronger on fear and control. The PTB use these same techniques. Fear of terroists..the feeling of being "Special" and of the "Elite" if you tow the line..protected by their umbrella of "Control" of almost every aspect of your lves. Thats because the PTB as you all know by now are all "Luciferian" in nature and practice...and use fear..control..cashflow(So long as its flowing THIER way)..and terrible consequesnces if you dont "Measure up" to their parameters. So..if the PTB use these same techniques...and you all foster a rather healthy dislike for the way they "Control" things..then why do so many who voice such an opinion of them..end up following the SAME system under the guise of "Religion" which as you can clearly see are all based and run on the percepts of "Evil"? Lets say for example a person really WANTS to do evil..they lust and fight and hate..they have an evil evil heart..they are greedy..want everything their way..want everything to be all cushy and nice while they do what they WANT to do without concequence. But then they are told if they do this..some horrible fate will befall them..either outright death or eternal torture in the next life..and curses and trouble in THIS life.. Now..that rocks their boat..they want their cake..and want to eat it. But now the fear factore is brought into it..as they are told if they keep being an evil greedy cunt they will suffer. So off they go..looking for an "OUT"..a way to KEEP being selfish and greeedy but never having to face the consequences of it. So they find a "religion"..out of FEAR of what will happen to them if they dont. They are still evil on the inside..nothing has changed..but now they think "If I read the bible enough..quote enough scriptures..pray enough and go to church enough..perhaps I can still be a smug self rightous shit..but get to heaven and save my ass." So its still a SELFISH thing they do..they are still evil..except they have excused their selfishness and evil by being taught the ever popular saying "We are not perfect..just forgiven" BUT..a GOOD person NEEDS no fear or manipulation to be good to their neighbour and not be a selfish greedy cunt. They dont have to be FORCED into doing what they dont want to do like the evil man has to be. They love people by nature..and do good because good IS already in them. They dont need the luciferian fear and guilt...as that sort of thing ONLY seems to work on people who WANT to be evil..but without the price that comes with it..death or eternal torture..as they are "Told" |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 43631963 ![]() 07/26/2013 12:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Question for Muslims and Christians. I Have left Islam and embraced Christianity, am I going to Hell? What Say You! WOW! That is real deep and make one think outside the box. I thought about that a lot and as I said before I started questioning the existence of God. It seems odd that they are always asking for money and want you to submit. |