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Tao Te Ching

 
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as there are questions which there are no answers, so there are answers to questions that were never asked. what is balance? both are essential. everything that ever was is essential to make what is.

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Tao Te Ching > Bible.

Tao Te Ching is unbiased knowledge, while the Bible is perverted to make a clergy rich and powerful through it's comic book story.
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 Quoting: Cloud Hidden


She mo foe
“In finding balance between lies and trust
there will never be a better source
than to speak your truth
or make your peace some other way.”
~Sully Erna

Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.
-Gandalph

"A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool." - William Shakespeare
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If the ego is what trips us up, and to return to the source, the oneness, is the aim, then why are we here experiencing this reality as separate to begin with?
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So that we could return to Oneness
Spread the word, change the collective conscious......
THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH OF EVERYTHING TO GO AROUND

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If the ego is what trips us up, and to return to the source, the oneness, is the aim, then why are we here experiencing this reality as separate to begin with?
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So that we could return to Oneness
 Quoting: Isis One


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"My sayings are very easy to recognize
and very easy to apply.
But no one in the world can recognize them,
and no one can apply them.
Sayings have a source,
events have a leader.
It is only through ignorance
that I am not known.
Those who know me are rare;
those who emulate me are noble.
This is why sages dress plainly,
and conceal what is precious."
Lao Tzu
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72nd Verse

When people lack a sense of awe,
there will be disaster.
When people do not fear worldly power,
a greater power will arrive.

Do not limit the view of yourself.
Do not despise the conditions of your birth.
Do not resist the natural course of your life.
In this way, you will never weary of this world.

Therefore, the sage knows himself
but makes no show of himself;
loves himself
but does not exalt himself.
He prefers what is within to what is without.
Spread the word, change the collective conscious......
THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH OF EVERYTHING TO GO AROUND

When you are undisciplined, the universe is extremely forgiving and when you are disciplined, the universe is extremely generous. Me

One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight, for a very long time, of the shore. Andre Gide
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Like parting clouds, thoughts settle, and marvelous activity shines.
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One person can influence a mass awakening, just planting the seed, information can turn viral overnight spread to others, multiple nations and many countries, and beyond. An individuals experience, their observations and opinions are unique and the individual fits somewhere in this puzzle. One person, their observations and unique experience can be so so very the same yet even the most minuscule difference such as the wind can have an adverse affect in the direction and intension of one compared to the other. It is not to be in perfect sync with any other person and unlimited amount of possibilities. Not one person is the same although we all fit in the puzzle and an alternative piece would not equal to, for example, the original shape, size, and the personality you would notice in people at an atomic or subatomic scale, the piece is not replaceable. You have meaning, and you are ultimately at peace because you are connecting right now and will eventually be 'still', as we observe our universe you can see the stillness manifesting, it is beautiful.

You are here because without you, there would not be a variable. Could not we question nor compare, feel or understand ourselves and the harmony of source, the balance needed to understand. Together we seek unified truth, do you understand you are 'exceeding' set limitations! Manifesting into a limitless quantum singular existence. We are attracted to finding an answer, accounting for all variables and taking into account that existance has a connection to source, via void, a loop within itself, eternity In that infinite space of boundless galaxies and spiraling matter is just a piece of the puzzle and once again when we will be at source, the puzzle will be forgotten. We chose to be here, the balance is important, it is always going to exist and it is our firewall.

The answer is combining all the infinite variables and slightest differences to fill the void, the inevitable conclusion, a 'stable state'. Imagine, simultaneously balancing between existance and void. The Yin and the Yang. A stable state, experiencing and seeking through your understanding and ultimately having no evidence to suggest that the truth is real and anything in this reality is merely a simulation, or a place to experience and learn, looking externally lets you embrace who we are, but to 'know', you have to look inside of oneself, trust yourself.

Look internal of oneself, plant the seed, once you see the infinite and why it is so, there is nothing to fear. To make a decision, we want to believe it is right, but truth is neither wrong or right because every negative feeling or action exists and so does the positive, whether we learn from our mistakes or not, there is going to be a time we are one and you cannot run from guilt then.


So why exactly are we separated and why am I here?

"To love we must feel hate, to appreciate something we must experience loss, to feel joy we must feel pain, to remember... we must forget."

I wrote that when I was a teenager, I am 23 now, I didn't understand the last point, it just fit and sounded right. It really is the most important, it fills me with more detail and and believe we are all going to be fine. Everyone, no matter what is done will be done. To blame is not to help, to forgive is true honest love.

Let go and let yourself flow..,,

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One person can influence a mass awakening, just planting the seed, information can turn viral overnight spread to others, multiple nations and many countries, and beyond. An individuals experience, their observations and opinions are unique and the individual fits somewhere in this puzzle. One person, their observations and unique experience can be so so very the same yet even the most minuscule difference such as the wind can have an adverse affect in the direction and intension of one compared to the other. It is not to be in perfect sync with any other person and unlimited amount of possibilities. Not one person is the same although we all fit in the puzzle and an alternative piece would not equal to, for example, the original shape, size, and the personality you would notice in people at an atomic or subatomic scale, the piece is not replaceable. You have meaning, and you are ultimately at peace because you are connecting right now and will eventually be 'still', as we observe our universe you can see the stillness manifesting, it is beautiful.

You are here because without you, there would not be a variable. Could not we question nor compare, feel or understand ourselves and the harmony of source, the balance needed to understand. Together we seek unified truth, do you understand you are 'exceeding' set limitations! Manifesting into a limitless quantum singular existence. We are attracted to finding an answer, accounting for all variables and taking into account that existance has a connection to source, via void, a loop within itself, eternity In that infinite space of boundless galaxies and spiraling matter is just a piece of the puzzle and once again when we will be at source, the puzzle will be forgotten. We chose to be here, the balance is important, it is always going to exist and it is our firewall.

The answer is combining all the infinite variables and slightest differences to fill the void, the inevitable conclusion, a 'stable state'. Imagine, simultaneously balancing between existance and void. The Yin and the Yang. A stable state, experiencing and seeking through your understanding and ultimately having no evidence to suggest that the truth is real and anything in this reality is merely a simulation, or a place to experience and learn, looking externally lets you embrace who we are, but to 'know', you have to look inside of oneself, trust yourself.

Look internal of oneself, plant the seed, once you see the infinite and why it is so, there is nothing to fear. To make a decision, we want to believe it is right, but truth is neither wrong or right because every negative feeling or action exists and so does the positive, whether we learn from our mistakes or not, there is going to be a time we are one and you cannot run from guilt then.


So why exactly are we separated and why am I here?

"To love we must feel hate, to appreciate something we must experience loss, to feel joy we must feel pain, to remember... we must forget."

I wrote that when I was a teenager, I am 23 now, I didn't understand the last point, it just fit and sounded right. It really is the most important, it fills me with more detail and and believe we are all going to be fine. Everyone, no matter what is done will be done. To blame is not to help, to forgive is true honest love.

Let go and let yourself flow..,,
 Quoting: 7.83Hz


That was beautiful 7.8. For a few years now, a little voice inside me has been saying, "Everything you need is within". It is accompanied by the most comforting feeling. so many are understanding this now, it is wonderful.
Spread the word, change the collective conscious......
THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH OF EVERYTHING TO GO AROUND

When you are undisciplined, the universe is extremely forgiving and when you are disciplined, the universe is extremely generous. Me

One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight, for a very long time, of the shore. Andre Gide
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Chapter 77



The Tao of Heaven
Is like drawing a bow
Lower that which is high
Raise that which is low
Reduce that which has excess
Add to that which is lacking


The Tao of heaven
Reduces the excessive
And adds to the lacking


The Tao of people is not so
It reduces the lacking
In order to offer to the excessive


Who can offer their excess to the world?
Only those who have the Tao
Therefore sages act without conceit
Achieve without claiming credit
They do not wish to display their virtue!
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Ch. 8-9

The supreme good is like water,
which nourishes all things without trying to.
It is content with the low places that people disdain.
Thus it is like the the Great Way.

In dwelling, live close to the ground.
In thinking, keep to the simple.
In conflict, be fair and generous.
In governing, don't try to control.
In work, do what you enjoy.
In family life, be completely present.

When you are content to be simply yourself
and don't compare or compete,
everybody will respect you.

Fill your bowl to the brim
and it will spill.
Keep sharpening your knife
and it will blunt.

Chase after money and security
and your heart will never unclench.
Care about people's approval
and you will be their prisoner.

Do your work, then step back.
The only path to serenity.
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Ch. 8-9

The supreme good is like water,
which nourishes all things without trying to.
It is content with the low places that people disdain.
Thus it is like the the Great Way.

In dwelling, live close to the ground.
In thinking, keep to the simple.
In conflict, be fair and generous.
In governing, don't try to control.
In work, do what you enjoy.
In family life, be completely present.

When you are content to be simply yourself
and don't compare or compete,
everybody will respect you.

Fill your bowl to the brim
and it will spill.
Keep sharpening your knife
and it will blunt.

Chase after money and security
and your heart will never unclench.
Care about people's approval
and you will be their prisoner.

Do your work, then step back.
The only path to serenity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44095088


In quoting an author's work, do credit the author, Stephen Mitchell. The man put 14 years of his life into this particular translation.
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I still haven't found the answer to -what I believe to be thus far- the greatest question of my life, despite my religious study of the Tao. Which admittedly, I keep neglecting because I can't find my answer.
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The asking is the Meaning...lol
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“When people see some things as beautiful,
other things become ugly.
When people see some things as good,
other things become bad.”
Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching
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Again, from Stephen Mitchell's English version. Masterpiece.
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I still haven't found the answer to -what I believe to be thus far- the greatest question of my life, despite my religious study of the Tao. Which admittedly, I keep neglecting because I can't find my answer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43987400


That's what we call chasing our own tail.
 Quoting: Cloud Hidden


How do I find my answer? It's maddening at times.

I can't simply just pick one path and stick with it. I need to be spiritually and emotionally invested in my choice, or I will fail the objective.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43987400



there are 2 aspects of will

the yang aspect - the outward searching , directed , focused
and the yin aspect - the 'letting go ' and going with the flow '

in martial arts the yin powers the yang

you need to let go of searching and see where just living , following your heart ( not your head ) leads you
when it inspires you , follow it , explore , and apply your yang will to the task

when it has given you all you need for now , recognise that and move along , taking life in -allow yourself to be directionless and just experiencing ( yin will)

and another thing will pop up to inspire you -and that inspiration is your guide

it's your journey - both aspects of your will are of use and serve your best interest ( but yin powers yang -not the other way around )

jut mo - hope it helps
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The Tao that can be shin pinned is not the real Tao chuckle

Thank you
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'tis true

:)
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“When people see some things as beautiful,
other things become ugly.
When people see some things as good,
other things become bad.”
Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching
 Quoting: Cloud Hidden


Again, from Stephen Mitchell's English version. Masterpiece.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44160383


Thank you for that reference.

Am going to buy it now

The Tao is the ultimate, in all my studies far and wide. I always revert to it.
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Anything in life worth doing is worth overdoing. Moderation's for cowards.
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My favorite Seventy-Six:

A man is born gentle and weak.
At his death he is hard and stiff.
Green plants are tender and filled with sap.
At their death they are withered and dry.

Therefore the stiff and unbending is the disciple of death.
The gentle and yielding is the disciple of life.

Thus an army without flexibility never wins a battle.
A tree that is unbending is easily broken.

The hard and strong will fall.
The soft and weak will overcome.


I'm so glad I settled myself down enough to read through this thread and focus on Lao Tzu.

:LaoTzuHome:
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Ah yes... "But the Tao that can be spoken, that is not the eternal Tao." - Tao Te Ching

There is nothing to say
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That would have been true if you didn't say anything, and didn't post.

But by posting, you said something, and so your words are not the eternal Tao.

And neither are my words now.

But what is the silence after I stop speaking, and you stop reading?
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you do not hear the silence
beneath the spoken word
but it abides without notice

you do not see the emptiness
below the written word
but it carries all meaning
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legend has it that the tao te ching was written in a short time,that he had to write it in order for him to pass a border post,or military checkpoint,he was not allowed to pass until he wrote instructions on what they should do after he was gone.apparently he was not a man for writing or teaching!being useless was a great trait of his:)
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My favorite Seventy-Six:

A man is born gentle and weak.
At his death he is hard and stiff.
Green plants are tender and filled with sap.
At their death they are withered and dry.

Therefore the stiff and unbending is the disciple of death.
The gentle and yielding is the disciple of life.

Thus an army without flexibility never wins a battle.
A tree that is unbending is easily broken.

The hard and strong will fall.
The soft and weak will overcome.


I'm so glad I settled myself down enough to read through this thread and focus on Lao Tzu.

:LaoTzuHome:
 Quoting: Sloane


Hi Sloanhiya I went back and forth with that one and the one I chose as one of my favs, also, love, love, love, the smilie!!
Spread the word, change the collective conscious......
THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH OF EVERYTHING TO GO AROUND

When you are undisciplined, the universe is extremely forgiving and when you are disciplined, the universe is extremely generous. Me

One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight, for a very long time, of the shore. Andre Gide
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I still haven't found the answer to -what I believe to be thus far- the greatest question of my life, despite my religious study of the Tao. Which admittedly, I keep neglecting because I can't find my answer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43987400


That's what we call chasing our own tail.
 Quoting: Cloud Hidden


How do I find my answer? It's maddening at times.

I can't simply just pick one path and stick with it. I need to be spiritually and emotionally invested in my choice, or I will fail the objective.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43987400



there are 2 aspects of will

the yang aspect - the outward searching , directed , focused
and the yin aspect - the 'letting go ' and going with the flow '

in martial arts the yin powers the yang

you need to let go of searching and see where just living , following your heart ( not your head ) leads you
when it inspires you , follow it , explore , and apply your yang will to the task

when it has given you all you need for now , recognise that and move along , taking life in -allow yourself to be directionless and just experiencing ( yin will)

and another thing will pop up to inspire you -and that inspiration is your guide

it's your journey - both aspects of your will are of use and serve your best interest ( but yin powers yang -not the other way around )

jut mo - hope it helps
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19343097


That was very helpful, thank you and Namaste!
Spread the word, change the collective conscious......
THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH OF EVERYTHING TO GO AROUND

When you are undisciplined, the universe is extremely forgiving and when you are disciplined, the universe is extremely generous. Me

One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight, for a very long time, of the shore. Andre Gide
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
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you do not hear the silence
beneath the spoken word
but it abides without notice

you do not see the emptiness
below the written word
but it carries all meaning
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44214011

When words stop
and silence is noticed

when writing stops
and emptiness is seen

words no longer break silence
writings no longer hide emptiness
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My favorite Seventy-Six:

A man is born gentle and weak.
At his death he is hard and stiff.
Green plants are tender and filled with sap.
At their death they are withered and dry.

Therefore the stiff and unbending is the disciple of death.
The gentle and yielding is the disciple of life.

Thus an army without flexibility never wins a battle.
A tree that is unbending is easily broken.

The hard and strong will fall.
The soft and weak will overcome.


I'm so glad I settled myself down enough to read through this thread and focus on Lao Tzu.

:LaoTzuHome:
 Quoting: Sloane


Hi Sloan:hiya: I went back and forth with that one and the one I chose as one of my favs, also, love, love, love, the smilie!!
 Quoting: Isis One


Isis :hiyasmiley:

Haven't seen you in a while and missed you!