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Barry_Hoetoro User ID: 35436963 United States 08/01/2013 09:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And to the guy whose friend is using the keylogger... That's not something I'd consider narcissistic. Creepy, but not narcissistic (unles he's using his discoveries to somehow manipulate you). Did they get you to trade your heroes for ghosts? Hot ashes for trees? Hot air for a cool breeze? Cold comfort for change? Did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? |
Barry_Hoetoro User ID: 35436963 United States 08/01/2013 09:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Narcissists tend to be very loving people on the surface and are loved by many bc they go out of their way to be liked. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44305466 Once they have no use for you, you are dropped like a lead balloon. Not true. Once they've realized you provide them the narcissistic supply that they crave, they will always return. Did they get you to trade your heroes for ghosts? Hot ashes for trees? Hot air for a cool breeze? Cold comfort for change? Did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 44305466 United States 08/01/2013 09:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Narcissists tend to be very loving people on the surface and are loved by many bc they go out of their way to be liked. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44305466 Once they have no use for you, you are dropped like a lead balloon. Not true. Once they've realized you provide them the narcissistic supply that they crave, they will always return. Only if you provide that need for them, otherwise you will be dropped like a hat. My best friend is a really bad Narcissist, his wife calls him Peter Pan. lol |
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Lord Kinbote User ID: 41870959 United States 08/01/2013 05:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sam Vankin has some terrific books on narcissism. He also has a Youtube channel. The subject is much more complex than you can imagine. Quoting: Barry_Hoetoro And to the guy whose friend is using the keylogger... That's not something I'd consider narcissistic. Creepy, but not narcissistic (unles he's using his discoveries to somehow manipulate you). I'd say thats exactly the purpose. I find I'll be in a great mood before hanging out with him and when I go home I'm confused, and feel drained of energy. Energy vampires, eh? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25421984 United States 08/01/2013 05:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I get what you are saying. I haven't dated for two years now because I'm afraid to find out what the next one will be like. That's just not right. So, instead, I am seeking to learn what it is about me that has attracted one narcissist after another... and change me. you visit this site theres part of your problem cambrie |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2812265 United States 08/01/2013 05:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I get what you are saying. I haven't dated for two years now because I'm afraid to find out what the next one will be like. That's just not right. So, instead, I am seeking to learn what it is about me that has attracted one narcissist after another... and change me. Best thing I've read all day. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29128895 United States 08/02/2013 01:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It disgusts me that he'd so blatantly violated my privacy and had the audacity to spy on me. Quoting: Lord Kinbote The person I've called a friend for so long is showing their true colors and its so painful. I'm assuming he somehow put a keylogger on my system but I haven't figured out where it could be as new keyloggers are quite stealty. PS. If you're reading this D. I'm installing a keylogger on your computer and I'm going to judge every fucking keystroke you make. Fight fire with fire mofo. The stuff I bolded here set off alarm bells... Looks like you're getting sucked in, actually. Tread carefully, and guard your integrity is all I can say. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42069916 United States 08/02/2013 02:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The way to stop attracting narcissists is to change your beliefs about yourself and the way you feel about yourself. Quoting: Cambrie Here's how: 1. Set up boundaries to keep yourself safe. Learn to let in people who will be there for you and keep out the people who only want something from you. I highly recommend the book Boundaries for specifics on how to set and enforce your boundaries and keep negative people out of your personal space. 2. Focus on your positive qualities and feel good about yourself, by yourself. Write in a journal to get your feelings out and develop an awareness of who you are, your feelings and your beliefs. Read back over what you've written over a period of weeks or months to see how you're responding to situations and you'll begin to see patterns in your behaviour and your beliefs about yourself and your relationships. 3. Learn how to use your sensitivity and empathy for the good. Two of the best uses are helping other people in a volunteer or charitable role and channeling it into a creative pursuit. Using your creative energy, in either volunteering or creative ways, will help you to feel grounded. You will feel a sense of belonging and connection to the wider world, and that you have an essential place in it. By shifting your energy into an activity you are passionate about, you will also give yourself something positive to focus on so that you're not focusing solely on giving to someone who is making demands of your energy and attention. At the same time, you will be filling your life with positive feelings. Without this connection, you can feel frightened and alone and afraid to let go of what's bad for you and too easily forget that you are connected to everything and that you are loved and safe. Source: After Narcissistic Abuse - There is Light, Life & Love I'm sorry but this information seems a bit hypocritical. And feel that if these steps were practiced one would become very alone. These #3 pieces of advice appear to be written by a narcissist. For instance step #1 'Learn to let in people who will be there for you and keep out the people who only want something from you.' What about the old saying a friend in need is a friend indeed? Or teachings that if you surround yourself only with those that love and care for you what help are you only to yourself? step#2 'Focus on your positive qualities and feel good about yourself, by yourself' There is nothing wrong with feeling good and being happy, but this step seems to be all about you the individual to feel good... A basis of narcissism. step#3 'Two of the best uses are helping other people in a volunteer or charitable role and channeling it into a creative pursuit. Using your creative energy, in either volunteering or creative ways, will help you to feel grounded.' That is great yes charities helping others is a step in the right direction, however the reasoning stated here to do it is to 'Help You feel grounded' and give a sense of connection...Again do it for yourself to feel good about you. Narcissistic reasoning. The end statement wraps it all up nice and neatly. I agree with the very last sentence that we are connected with everything and love it's all good. I'm not trying to rip this post apart and apologize again as this is just a viewpoint. But I could not pass by this thread without saying take head to some of it. I suppose any non narcissistic persons will not be offended and again what do I know I'm just an AC that knows nothing. |
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Cambrie (OP) User ID: 37328448 United States 08/02/2013 03:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The way to stop attracting narcissists is to change your beliefs about yourself and the way you feel about yourself. Quoting: Cambrie Here's how: 1. Set up boundaries to keep yourself safe. Learn to let in people who will be there for you and keep out the people who only want something from you. I highly recommend the book Boundaries for specifics on how to set and enforce your boundaries and keep negative people out of your personal space. 2. Focus on your positive qualities and feel good about yourself, by yourself. Write in a journal to get your feelings out and develop an awareness of who you are, your feelings and your beliefs. Read back over what you've written over a period of weeks or months to see how you're responding to situations and you'll begin to see patterns in your behaviour and your beliefs about yourself and your relationships. 3. Learn how to use your sensitivity and empathy for the good. Two of the best uses are helping other people in a volunteer or charitable role and channeling it into a creative pursuit. Using your creative energy, in either volunteering or creative ways, will help you to feel grounded. You will feel a sense of belonging and connection to the wider world, and that you have an essential place in it. By shifting your energy into an activity you are passionate about, you will also give yourself something positive to focus on so that you're not focusing solely on giving to someone who is making demands of your energy and attention. At the same time, you will be filling your life with positive feelings. Without this connection, you can feel frightened and alone and afraid to let go of what's bad for you and too easily forget that you are connected to everything and that you are loved and safe. Source: After Narcissistic Abuse - There is Light, Life & Love I'm sorry but this information seems a bit hypocritical. And feel that if these steps were practiced one would become very alone. These #3 pieces of advice appear to be written by a narcissist. For instance step #1 'Learn to let in people who will be there for you and keep out the people who only want something from you.' What about the old saying a friend in need is a friend indeed? Or teachings that if you surround yourself only with those that love and care for you what help are you only to yourself? step#2 'Focus on your positive qualities and feel good about yourself, by yourself' There is nothing wrong with feeling good and being happy, but this step seems to be all about you the individual to feel good... A basis of narcissism. step#3 'Two of the best uses are helping other people in a volunteer or charitable role and channeling it into a creative pursuit. Using your creative energy, in either volunteering or creative ways, will help you to feel grounded.' That is great yes charities helping others is a step in the right direction, however the reasoning stated here to do it is to 'Help You feel grounded' and give a sense of connection...Again do it for yourself to feel good about you. Narcissistic reasoning. The end statement wraps it all up nice and neatly. I agree with the very last sentence that we are connected with everything and love it's all good. I'm not trying to rip this post apart and apologize again as this is just a viewpoint. But I could not pass by this thread without saying take head to some of it. I suppose any non narcissistic persons will not be offended and again what do I know I'm just an AC that knows nothing. I agree step #1 could be worded better. My biggest problem with that one is the plain fact that it is so difficult to tell what someone's objective is until you're well into the relationship. There is also that saying, to get a friend be a friend. Plus, most people walking around are narcissistic to a certain degree. It is a matter of leaning how to identify it in order to protect yourself from people who will use and abuse you outright. Step #2... I orig took that to mean that you don't have to be showing off on Facebook to get approval. Just do it for yourself. Then I realized it is probably directed toward people who are deep in the throws of trying to understand what the hell just happened within a relationship. There is a lot of healing, questioning, double guessing and info seeking to be done so the journaling helps you chart your journey. Step #3 is using your empathy to do good for others and, yes, feel good about you. It is OK to feel good about you. Getting past the treatment you received that left you feeling worthless, unimportant and invisible. It's all good when it isn't all bad anymore. |
MFiera User ID: 32428544 United States 08/02/2013 03:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Really good thread. Repped, Op. I think Aussie AC brings up a REALLY GOOD POINT too.. If people who befriend you fail to demonstrate empathy (an abiltity to feel guilt or remorse) then keep away from them. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40737543 This is absolutely correct. If anyone tells you they don't "believe in regret" or shuns personal accountability SERIOUSLY- STAY THE F*CK AWAY. It's a MASSIVE RED FLAG. Granted, that doesn't mean a person should be walking around everyday wishing they could change everything.. but if the individual in question genuinely feels that their behavior is irrelevant and that they shouldn't ever be questioned or asked to explain themselves- RUN, RUN, RUN. If you want a pretty good tactic to avoid users/narcissists/etc just remember- Don't ever wear your heart on your sleeve with people you don't know. Sure, be open and honest and forthcoming with people you do know, or those that you know pose no real threat, but if you think someone falls into the narcissist category DON'T give them an "in" (sorta speak.) Just remember- success to the narcissist is their happiness ALONE. If they come off like they care about you, it's probably because they need something from you to make themselves feel better or more complete. GLP is an INSTITUTION |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42069916 United States 08/02/2013 04:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Very good O.P! Well put. There does need to be away to weed some out. That is the dilemma. We/many are surrounded by narcissists and if they were all cut out of ones life they would (with the exception of few) find themselves alone. Nobody's perfect and I guess that narcissism is almost a human trait. Though now seems to be almost what is expected of people to cultivate. There has got to be a cut off point but that is hard to contemplate. It would be interesting to pose the question when is it ok to finally give up on another human being? That question is worded very shallow and there are many factors involved.. But when or how to get some selfish/evil/narcissistic/etc. person(s) away from you and or your family is hard for me and others I know to do. Especially if they are relatives or have been very close. How many times should they be forgiven and allowed to walk all over another? Most people are not pushovers and many see the lack of empathy and all the other manipulative b.s these types are. Is there really no way to ever reach through or help them? Even for their own sake. To be able to smack them with a conscious for others would be wonderful but seems to be impossible, If there was a cure for those types I think the World would be a much better place maybe even saved itself. |
Cambrie (OP) User ID: 37328448 United States 08/02/2013 04:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you If you want a pretty good tactic to avoid users/narcissists/etc just remember- Don't ever wear your heart on your sleeve with people you don't know. Quoting: MFiera Isn't that the truth! Very good O.P! Well put. There does need to be away to weed some out. That is the dilemma. We/many are surrounded by narcissists and if they were all cut out of ones life they would (with the exception of few) find themselves alone. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42069916 Nobody's perfect and I guess that narcissism is almost a human trait. Though now seems to be almost what is expected of people to cultivate. There has got to be a cut off point but that is hard to contemplate. It would be interesting to pose the question when is it ok to finally give up on another human being? That question is worded very shallow and there are many factors involved.. But when or how to get some selfish/evil/narcissistic/etc. person(s) away from you and or your family is hard for me and others I know to do. Especially if they are relatives or have been very close. How many times should they be forgiven and allowed to walk all over another? Most people are not pushovers and many see the lack of empathy and all the other manipulative b.s these types are. Is there really no way to ever reach through or help them? Even for their own sake. To be able to smack them with a conscious for others would be wonderful but seems to be impossible, If there was a cure for those types I think the World would be a much better place maybe even saved itself. Forgive and forget is exactly what my father asked me to do. Biggest problem is that there was no actual apology, just the requirement that I forgive and hence never reveal the truth. Nobody should ever learn that I was scapegoated, lied about, excluded and reduced to spit. He died so that is a done deal and I won't ever get the love I need from him. Accept it and move on. His was a malignant or sadistic narcissism and those around him were blind to it for the most part. My brother, on the other hand, is continuing with his silent treatment to punish me. I have "forgiven" but I cannot ever allow myself to "forget" the reason he acts the way he does. He thinks he can control my emotional state and much like my father would love to make me cry in order to demonstrate that control. I love receiving the silent treatment now that I understand what it is and why it is being done to me. In fact, I can use it to my own advantage to get some peace. It is quite freeing to have nobody criticize, mock, demean, question, redirect, admonish me. Plus, I don't have to seek approval any longer. In all, narcissism has become a fascinating subject to me because it is something so subtly/overtly applied yet it can produce largely injurious wounds that take time to heal. I have heard it is impossible to get a narcissist into therapy unless they want to mess with the *therapist* Wow. |
Cambrie (OP) User ID: 37328448 United States 08/05/2013 04:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Repairing our Identity after Narcissistic abuse One of the first things we start working on in narcissistic abuse recovery is identity. This is a core component to recovery as abuse often starts at birth by someone or by people projecting themselves onto you, not mirroring you back to yourself. This can be painful because you have to start taking a look at a buried, very vulnerable, fragile part of yourself that was consistently rejected and abused in painful ways. It's not going to feel good, but the healing that comes will renew your life! For the very first time your life will be yours! If you've survived narcissistic abuse I know you have the courage to do it! Reach out and find someone to help you with this. There are people waiting for you to show up and do what you were originally meant to do. Discover what that is Source: unknown |
furPete'sSake User ID: 44608660 United States 08/05/2013 04:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That right, start staying away from the Internet. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2045004 Jesus would not be online neither. Heh. I've never been a religious person in my life. I just felt it was the right thing to do. Even if my prayer was unheard and there was no god its not like there was any harm done in trying. God is not going to answer prayers of people who do not believe in Him, your thinking is mixed up, so "no harm in trying" is senseless "It's a friendly friendly world" (Andy Kaufman) Calm seas do not a sailor make, Nor easy horses, a horseman. And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water And he spent a long time watching from his lonely wooden tower and when He could be certain only drowning men could see Him- Leonard Cohen |
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Dashadow User ID: 42091198 Sweden 08/12/2013 04:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was married to a pure sociopath. Even had my daughter with him. Now she has no father as he wants nothing to do with her (as she won't imporove his image in any way). I have been single for 9 yrs now. Seems it took the last desire from me to be in a relationship again. At least I got out pretty fast once I discovered all the lies about every inch of his life. He even wanted me to provide for him so he could sit on his ass all day. Now he got someone who believes all the lies even if people tell her the truth, she provides for him so he can sit and do nothing and buys him everything he points at. Not good since there are children involved in that relationship. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29128895 United States 08/12/2013 05:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's been 2.5 yrs since a narcissistic person took me for a ride, and it's only now that I'm starting to feel OK again. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29128895 Heh. Who am I kidding? Last year, during a very tough time, when I could've used a friend, a person reached out to me - and what did I do? Pushed him away, essentially. And why? Fear. Mistrust. Full stop, and I have to own it. See how hurt can breed hurt, folks? Ugh. Keep far, far away from a person that never fails to leave you feeling condemned, never good enough, off balance, and constantly questioning yourself... The next simpatico hand that reaches out for me, I'll (carefully, of course, but will) take a chance and really try to reach back. Life is too short. |
Cambrie (OP) User ID: 37328448 United States 08/14/2013 12:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't beat yourself up if you've ever been attracted to or fallen in love with a narcissist. They're often very "charming" (which we now know ISN'T a healthy trait), they are usually the center of attention with a big crowd of "fans" surrounding them. We are no longer willing to surround ourselves with the self-absorbed, self-involved and self-interested narcissists of this world. We deserve more, better and are not willing to be vulnerable to a narcissist and their manipulations. In order to do that, we need to think about why we were drawn to them initially and why we allowed ourselves to be captivated by their shenanigans. Source: After Narcissistic Abuse - There is Light, Life & Love Besides the outright manipulation to "suck you into their web" - what do you think drew you to a narcissistic person? |
Xerces User ID: 14245097 United States 08/14/2013 12:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Does the word journal make you feel better? "A truth's initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker, a raving lunatic." -Dresden James "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." -Arthur Schopenhauer |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 45113765 United States 08/14/2013 02:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Narcissists tend to be very loving people on the surface and are loved by many bc they go out of their way to be liked. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44305466 Once they have no use for you, you are dropped like a lead balloon. Not true. Once they've realized you provide them the narcissistic supply that they crave, they will always return. narcissistic supply - remember this term You provide it to a narcissist when you listen to him talk, when you act impressed by him in any way, and some of them love to be mean to you just to see your reaction, making you feel less than him, coupled with him seeing your reaction to it, is beautiful sweet narcissistic supply. To deny the narcissist his narcissistic supply, you need only pay less attention to him. But really, this means you just need to get the hell away from and stay away from this person. Unless you have a mental disorder than enjoys that type of treatment - sometimes it can work for both parties. To you narcissists, we all have a little narcissism in ourselves...but we don't go all Angelina Jolie with it everyday. Try harder. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 45113765 United States 08/14/2013 02:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is an occasional narcissist that is very evil, along with the self worship part - if they threaten you, or seriously step on your rights, say, at work - then you need to be very direct with them and tell them to stop doing exactly what they are doing directly. They have a hard time dealing with direct confrontation about how they are treating others badly. It is a mental disorder and it is best to be very polite with the narcissist, but very firm in setting boundaries. At the extreme end, the narcissist sociopath might be a normal narcissist around others, but when he is home alone with those close to him, he yells a lot in an angry manner. He forces others to give him narcissistic supply by shocking them with angry yelling. You often see this, in a mild way, with people who have to continuously yell at their dogs. It is about getting attention from the general public, more than wanting to communicate with the dog. Watch for that - it's an example of a narcissist that forces you to supply narcissistic supply - a form of mental rape. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29128895 United States 08/18/2013 02:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't beat yourself up if you've ever been attracted to or fallen in love with a narcissist. They're often very "charming" (which we now know ISN'T a healthy trait), they are usually the center of attention with a big crowd of "fans" surrounding them. Quoting: Cambrie We are no longer willing to surround ourselves with the self-absorbed, self-involved and self-interested narcissists of this world. We deserve more, better and are not willing to be vulnerable to a narcissist and their manipulations. In order to do that, we need to think about why we were drawn to them initially and why we allowed ourselves to be captivated by their shenanigans. Source: After Narcissistic Abuse - There is Light, Life & Love Besides the outright manipulation to "suck you into their web" - what do you think drew you to a narcissistic person? My own insecurities at the time, definitely. Next time I think to myself, "This many people can't be wrong...", I'll think again! |