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BOLD MOVES TOWARD CHRISTIANITY IN RUSSIA REKINDLE AN ISSUE: WAS IT BECAUSE OF FATIMA CONSECRATION?

 
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BOLD MOVES TOWARD CHRISTIANITY IN RUSSIA REKINDLE AN ISSUE: WAS IT BECAUSE OF FATIMA CONSECRATION?
A hot-button issue it is, whether Russia was ever fully and properly consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, as requested at Fatima, so that the Communist superpower would "convert."

That was the promise in 1917: that consecration of this nation would avert major negative events and cause Russia's return to Christianity.

"To prevent [disaster], I shall come to ask for the Consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart, and the Communion of reparation on the First Saturdays," she had told the three visionaries. "If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated. In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she shall be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world."

Bishops and cardinals have said that during visits to her convent in Coimbra, Portugal, the last Fatima seer, Sister Lucia dos Santos, repeatedly told them the consecration took place -- and was accepted by Heaven -- when John Paul II, in union with the bishops, presented the entire "world" to the Immaculate Heart on March 25, 1984.

Critics have often claimed that no consecration was valid unless it directly mentioned Russia and was done in concert with the entire Church.

The new Pope, Francis, is set for another consecration of the world this October 13 and the actual statue of Our Lady of Fatima from the chapel of the famed apparitions will be in Rome for it. (Will he surprise us by explicitly repeating the consecration Russia?)

At Medjugorje, which John Paul II described as "the fulfillment of Fatima," the Blessed Mother allegedly said that "the Russian people will be the people who will glorify God the most. The West has made civilization progress, but without God, as if they were their own creators" (October, 1981).

It is interesting, how many Russians have flocked back to church (albeit it, for the main part, Orthodox churches) and how leaders like Vladimir Putin openly lights candles, kisses statues, and wears medals.

Does what is occurring qualify as a "conversion"?

Here we must remain cautious -- optimistic yet cautious.



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I did not think Putin was a Catholic?
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FORT SMITH, Ark., August 8, 2013; Russian President Vladimir Putinís recent comments in defense of Christianity attracted a lot of attention.

Is he genuinely devout, or was this pure political maneuvering? The truth is both, but this is all a part of a broader strategy.

Putin is no fool. The Russian government has long colluded with religion, but under Putinís reign, the connection has grown stronger. He understands the importance of social morals, and he knows that Russia is plagued by many problems: catastrophic abortion rates, high suicide rates, and an entrenched sex trafficking market, to name a few. He sees Christianity ó Russian Orthodoxy, in particular ó as a solution to his countryís problems.

Putin is positioning himself as a modern-day religious crusader. This will kill three birds with one stone. First, it will put his country on the path to fixing many of its underlying problems. Second, it will allow him to refashion Christianity to accommodate the dictatorial system he favors. And most importantly, it will divide America and Europe between religious supporters and secular opponents, thus limiting the likelihood of unified condemnation of any of his future actions.

China is more than happy to accept this arrangement. China has its own interests in this high-stakes game. The recent lobbying of the Russian Orthodox Church to reestablish itself within China went largely unnoticed, but it is key. Orthodoxy is favorable to state control, a major positive in the eyes of the Chinese government. If China agrees, which it is likely to do, it will accomplish its goal of further limiting the influence of the Catholic Church, which has always been a thorn in its side. And by cozying up with the leaders of the most influential church in Russia, it will create an even-stronger relationship with that country, further weakening the influence of America, its primary economic and military adversary, in the East.

President Obamaís decision to dispel the possibility of a private meeting with Putin underscores these facts.

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the consecration of Russia has taken place for I know it true

for the error in me the Russia in me has accepted its baptism of Christs eternal spring and with that the ultimate balance restored and thus the flame spun of water of this the diamond is brought forth
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