Oklahoma murders - America is breeding deviant, unconscionable psychopaths . . . and you can thank the MOTHERS

Why wouldn't it be a "parenting" issue?

Most of this thread is based on speculation anyway... the idea that you think you know how all families are functioning, all the mothers or fathers' roles etc enough to stereotype them into a large clump. Then on top of that, you want to blame only the female gender for all that is wrong with men, when passing blame only shows a lack of taking responsibility for oneself.
Here is another question: Since the blame here is passed to mothers from sons, as being the cause of sons issues etc, who is to blame for the mother's issues? Are they not allowed to pass blame onto someone else? lol

This is partially true at least from what I have seen- men actually seek out and marry these women! In part for the same reasons that the "bad" women seek the criminal 'alpha male' types. When I asked some men why this was the case the response was that they don't expect or need much from women other than sex, and whores will put out at least. They don't have to exert a lot of effort in a relationship with a woman who wants more from them, so the whore is a safe bet. Plus, she is expendable and if they divorce, another one is lined up waiting to take her place. Seems like a reasonable strategy if you are pathologically shallow.

Regardless of its validity, don't you think that opting out is basically just buying into the anti-family agenda?

What it come s down to is these guys have this perfect ideal of a woman in their minds and when the objects of their desire proves to be less than their perfect, they get all butthurt and move on, thinking there will be another perfect girl out there for him. Time and time again he is disappointed but he never stop to look at the girl next to him in class and the girl next door? For get her! She's not pornstar material.
he wants the dream, the fantasy, the beauty queen. Why? because in his mind, he deserves it. After all, he's giving her his sperm, isn't he? Fucking delusional idiots!

To the person who left you that karma...

I would like to know what THEY criticize. If it was the OP to this thread, or another who plays the blame-game to avoid self responsibility.. that comment would be laughable.

This is true also, although not really germane to the topic. The smart, kind, moral woman next door might give great head but he'll never find out, he's too busy chasing his fantasy of insatiable whore + dream housewife.

I don't care. They don't pay my bills for me, do they?

There is so much wrong with placing the blame on the Mothers.
If the father is around it is also up to him to raise his kids. How does he get a free pass to make a baby, but not take care of it? None of that makes any sense. A wonderful Mom could have a bad kid. It is not her fault.

We live in a society raised by television. Has that society grown up with any tv show depicting a normal mother and father that are not dimwits, the laughing stock, clowns or worse? My child is banned from most everything because of it. All it portrays is snotty children mocking authority, rich kids with no cares other than materialism, singing or dancing and not once does a parent chastise a child. This is the problem. Everything from tv to school is teaching children about "emotions" and "how they feel". Society as a whole has been brainwashed to believe that anything that makes them "feel good" is GOOD and anything like chastisement or discipline which makes them "feel bad" is bad. THIS IS THE PROBLEM. It creates people who will not tolerate any correction, will not tolerate any authority and in the process they do whatever pleases themselves.

I grew up watching little house on the prairie. I put an episode on a few months ago for my 9 year and he sat there and had a bit of culture shock watching the parents discipline their children because it is simply not done on tv today. Tv and film - the beast given a mouth to speak - has only produced millions of beasts.

The vast majority are simply taught to pass the blame elsewhere. The op is doing no differently. Everybody in this day and age offers up an excuse for their behaviour, and will not take responsibility for their actions. Sure those mothers probably didn't do a splendid job, but placing the blame there is ridiculous. These were teenagers and certainly knew killing a man was wrong. Blaming their mothers is nonsense. They were not five years and didn't realise the darn consequences. Lots of kids have poor parenting and yet don't go out and murder someone.

We have been so overcome. The family is but gone, a strong father figure is gone, and tv and film is the satanic bible of the nation raising both the parents and the children. We are blind that we cannot see a mere 50/60 years ago most slept with their doors unlocked, cars unlocked and people safely walked the streets. Today though, they blaspheme the Bible as 'mind control' as they go down to get a tattoo, an ear piercing, have gay sex, dream of a singing contract or becoming a famous star...and cannot see that that they are the mind controlled. Whatever tv and film preaches to them, that they become. It is reaching insanity levels. And we won't change because good = pleasure and bad = regret, remorse and repentance. It's only those latter things that change the course!

Are you actually suggesting that there are NOT bad parents in every race?

Why don't you have a nice big bowl of SHUT IT stew for dinner?

Do not direct your comment to ME personally - discuss the TOPIC.

And the topic is the epidemic FAILURE by parents in America, primarily MOTHERS who harbor, enable, and protect their psychopathic killer kids.

^^^ . . . says the crude, rude, classless femi-nazi.

Good question! Thinking if it was the other way around, they would.

Very often, yes, that is the case.



And yes, that can be true, too.



Agree again.

Sidenote: Imagine what the human species and all of society would be like if females could not be impregnated until age 18 or 21. In the old days, the general age for girls was 11 or 12, which is bad enough, but there was a story on the news recently that there is an increasing trend toward girls "maturing" as young as 9 years old now, which is just absurd. There is some screwed up stuff going on with the species . . . DNA/genetic mutations, hormones, etc.



I could certainly imagine there are still many men who are appalled by the tattooed, pierced appearances of girls and young women today. Sadly though, too many love it.

Yes, marriage is a sham. There is a reason it's called an institution.




Well, I think you've brought out more of these points that perhaps I have, and they are valid.

There is something disturbingly wrong with the female gender in America today.

Part of the reason males are "emotionally bankrupt" is because that's how most are wired BUT also because femi-nazis and controlling wives have beaten them down.

In almost every case of heinous criminal behaviors by boys/young men, there is an enabling, harboring mother behind them.

So the question is: What specific role did the father play?

Generally, one would tend to believe that mothers would teach their sons to be kind, gentle, respectful and that they would neither promote nor tolerate violence and aggressive behaviors.

So it is a puzzle WHY mothers - a gender that generally does not condone violent behaviors - are so quick to defend and excuse and protect their psychopathic, criminal sons.

In the 1960s I lived in the Hyde Park neighborhood of Chicago, on the south side, near the U. of Chicago. Hyde Park was racially integrated, even back then. We had a group we formed, the "Neighborhood Improvement Group" which met monthly. At one of our meetings, a black police woman addressed our group. She said that there is a pattern that she had observed with young criminal teens: their mothers always defended them, saying things like "My boy is good; he wouldn't do anything wrong." While this pattern was mostly observed with blacks, I think that it is race-independent. A white mother with her white boy,behaving the same way, will produce the same result.

KUDOS to you for making such a wise and rational decision! If only others did the same.

I believe "childless by choice" is one of the smartest personal/societal decisions - especially in these times.



Well-stated and valid.



Well now, you just said it . . . it DOES take a huge amount of time and devotion to be a responsible, nurturing parent - and that's not going to unreasonable extremes, it's just what a good parent should do.

And if one is going to bring a child into the world, they should give that choice their all and treat it like a career.

Frankly, I find it outrageous that people have to get a license to drive a car, get married, even catch a fish - but any female whose reproductive system is working properly can pop out one baby after another - and from there, it's a gamble of will they or won't they be a good and dedicated parent.

Thanks for your post.

I'm the OP and this thread IS about parenting - failed parenting, parental dereliction.

When people under the age of 18 or 21 commit crimes, from minor vandalism to heinous murders, you damn well bet it IS about parenting.

And there is little "speculation" involved . . . with few exceptions, there is always an enabling mother behind them, a woman who thinks her little angel could NEVER do anything bad. And even when these "mothers" are proven wrong, that yes, little Johnny is a cold-blooded, unconscionable murderer, they STILL harbor them, and as in the case of the Oklahoma murders, they have the nerve to whine and cry about their sons with little regard for the murder victim and his family. And remember, in these cases where the mothers profess such love and support for their psychopathic offspring, they were generally NEVER good mothers to begin with.

But in the interest of expanded and fair discussion, I add the fact that genetics can play a huge role: If the fathers have psychopathic/criminal tendencies, they could genetically be passed on to sons . . . and when that's recognized, the mother or someone has to intervene and try to steer the son in a new and healthy direction, which is not easy. Unfortunately, in most of those cases, women who marry psychopaths do so knowingly, which makes them deficient as females/mothers from the start.

Yes, great moms CAN have bad kids. It's not the norm, but it happens.

Ideally, every child needs AND deserves TWO loving, stable parents.

But that's not how it works today.

So when push comes to shove, it is the female who is first and foremost responsible for proper parenting.

There are so many variable though, to the father issue - men screw around, we all know that, it's how they are wired, and it's disgusting but true.

So theoretically, one man could have umpteen kids all over the place, and that is because each female he was with agreed to have casual sex and if she did not protect herself from pregnancy and then gets pregant, SHE is responsible. So should a man be held fully responsible to take care of that child? No, not really.

The way to STOP that from happening - and it happens all the time - is for FEMALES to STOP engaging in casual sex and use birth control when they do. A female is the ONLY one responsible for HER own body.

I believe that fathers are only responsible for their kids when they are married and any husband who walks away from his child is a coward and a cheat.

So yes, men DO get a free pass. It's a major flaw in the human species that men are hardwired for sex and it's a fundamental reason this species is so screwed up.

But females have control, a huge amount of control, and it's up to them to USE IT.

Unfortunately, that is too true among too many males.

They want their wife/partner to be that combination, which is rather unreasonable and not easy for females - especially after they've had children and the dynamic of the relationship changes.

Also there are the males who want to screw around and do as they please with the assurance that the wife is dutifully waiting at home. Those kind of women are another affront to the gender.

It has nothing to do with America, but race. It wasn't their mother's fault, but thousands of years of tribal warfare in Africa that's at fault. Blacks are just naturally violent because it's what they do, just as lions or hyenas are naturally violent. You think these 70 IQ savages have the intellectual fortitude to go against their primal instincts? No.

Of course he's not. Obama and Holder are giving the old nudge, nudge wink, wink to the groid community it's okay to kill white folks.

I agree.

I notice that today's twenty-something generation is one of the most self-absorbed ever . . . they are all about being treated as adults with ZERO responsibility - they just want the "fun stuff" and the recognition. They have a gross sense of entitlement and it's all about whatever feels good and to hell with whatever bad they do.



Another great one is The Waltons . . . now I fundamentally oppose the idea of large families, especially during the Depression, but what a great family they were. They were hard-working, respectful, honorable. The parents and grandparents were good role models, they were tough but fair. NOTHING like parenting since the 70s.



I agree.



I disagree, TOTALLY.



Are frigging kidding?!

NO, they have ZERO concept of right from wrong and they don't give one damn about it. They were LAUGHING as they were being arrested!



Wrong.



It happens, yes, but criminals under 18 or 21 seldom to never have great, smart, responsible parents, and they most always have an enabling mother.



That is, for the most part, ultra-sensible.

So HOW in the hell can a person who recognizes those deficiences in this society actually believe in a work of fiction like the bible and organized religion?

Interesting that the enabling/harboring mother syndrome was acknowledged back then; I don't know how far back it goes in terms of being recognized as a problem, but it's for sure a fundamentally major problem today.

Please note that one of the black boys in the Oklahoma murder has a white (trash) mother and she's been whining and crying about her "baby boy". There have been far more bi-racial mixings since the 1960s, so that brings about another layer to the problems.

I did stupid things as a teenager and didn't always listen to my parents but it would have never occurred to me to shoot an innocent person because I was bored.

Yes, this IS America that's being discussed in this thread because Oklahoma is in the USA and there have been increasing numbers of violent crimes in this country committed by people under the age of 18 who have enabling mothers.

There are violent thugs and psychopaths in every race in America.

I do agree about the "tribal" and primal instinct aspect; it's like genetics - it can be difficult to impossible to overcome.

Right.

I don't know how old you are, but most kids back in the old days stayed busy doing something fun or constructive. Probably the most non-productive thing we all did was watch tv . . . and that's when tv was just pure, clean entertainment.

society is responsible for its children, you are a part of soc8ety, blame yourself.

NO. Society as a whole is NOT per se responsible for anyone's children. It does NOT take a village to raise a child.

There are negative and detrimental societal influences EVERYWHERE . . . tv, film, music, drugs, etc. (i.e. corporate) - always has been, always will be.

Therefore, if any female brings an innocent child into this world, it is her duty, her job first and foremost to raise that child as properly as she possibly can.

And those females who birth babies and then have the nerve to expect others to care for them and raise them are just one more segment of females that is an abomination to the overall gender.

And screw that . . . I will NOT take one iota of blame for anyone's goddamn failure as parents!

I DID MY JOB as a parent, full-time, from birth through age 18, and I did so with ZERO help or expectations from family, friends, the government, or the "village".

So go back to your village, idiot.