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Texas Gives up on Paving Roads, moves to Gravel. Welcome to Third World America.

 
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Texas Gives up on Paving Roads, moves to Gravel. Welcome to Third World America.
Yep, Gravel is cheaper, so, back to the 1950's we go.

"The sharp increase in heavy traffic from a historic oil boom has damaged many farm-to-market roads in South and East Texas. The damage related to energy development has become so extensive that state and local authorities lack the funding to make all the repairs. Last month, the Texas Department of Transportation announced plans to convert more than 80 miles of paved roads to gravel. The conversions are expected to start Monday, TxDOT officials said. But the plan has been met with criticism from lawmakers and some of the farmers and ranchers who live near those roads."

"Since paving roads is too expensive and there is not enough funding to repave them all, our only other option to make them safer is to turn them into gravel roads," TxDOT spokesman David Glessner said.

We trust those truckers to stay at 30 MPH, Gravel roads are safe for all vehicles!

I predict a rise in the fortunes of windshield makers!

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Re: Texas Gives up on Paving Roads, moves to Gravel. Welcome to Third World America.
It takes 1,000 semi trucks to get a single well operational. That is hard on roads. These are country roads that were probably gravel until the last 5 to 20 years. The paving of these minor little used roads is often done cheaply. They aren't meant for the same kind of constant heavy duty use that major roads are built for. I've seen nice paved roads turn to crumbles in one day because of dozens of heavily laden big rigs driving down them during wet weather.

I think it's just wise use of money. I also think the energy companies should have to foot the bill to keep the roads up.

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Re: Texas Gives up on Paving Roads, moves to Gravel. Welcome to Third World America.
Texas is not the only state to take this backward turn on keeping up the smaller less traveled road throughout this country.
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Re: Texas Gives up on Paving Roads, moves to Gravel. Welcome to Third World America.
WTF!? Why not make OIL COMPANIES pick up the tab?

Stupid Texans.
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Re: Texas Gives up on Paving Roads, moves to Gravel. Welcome to Third World America.
heres a tip, when they get washboarded go about 50mph and road smooths out
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Re: Texas Gives up on Paving Roads, moves to Gravel. Welcome to Third World America.
thank god my area has NICE raods. They just paved like 20 miles of straight highway, its now like4-6 lanes. they do CONSTANT roadwork in my area and our roads are NICE and flat.

KS baby!
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Re: Texas Gives up on Paving Roads, moves to Gravel. Welcome to Third World America.
Texas lets the oil companies destroy the aquifer and poison the land and water, there will be no need for these farm to market roads any more because there won't be any farms.

This is happening all over the US.

It's almost like there is some kind of plan.

:)
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Re: Texas Gives up on Paving Roads, moves to Gravel. Welcome to Third World America.
It takes 1,000 semi trucks to get a single well operational. That is hard on roads. These are country roads that were probably gravel until the last 5 to 20 years. The paving of these minor little used roads is often done cheaply. They aren't meant for the same kind of constant heavy duty use that major roads are built for. I've seen nice paved roads turn to crumbles in one day because of dozens of heavily laden big rigs driving down them during wet weather.

I think it's just wise use of money. I also think the energy companies should have to foot the bill to keep the roads up.
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this is the correct response. outrage over this only shows people's naivety and/or ignorance. i don't live in texas, but i do live in a rural and heavily agricultural area. if the state tried to keep all the back roads paved, they would be broke before they could blink.
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thank god my area has NICE raods. They just paved like 20 miles of straight highway, its now like4-6 lanes. they do CONSTANT roadwork in my area and our roads are NICE and flat.

KS baby!
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you're talking about highways, this is about back roads. huge difference.
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Re: Texas Gives up on Paving Roads, moves to Gravel. Welcome to Third World America.
It's a double edged sword. The energy boom in TX is literally turning tiny towns with no work into small towns with lot's of jobs, businesses, infrastructure, etc.

Tiny towns are having hotels, restaurants, shopping centers, etc. pop-up everywhere. Lot's of people are finding jobs and spending money- and it's all directly related to the energy boom...

the down side is that the small county roads get hammered by truck traffic. My buddy owns a small ranch off a county road in S.TX and the white dust from the caliche road had dusted his whole ranch white in color. The drill rigs and truck traffic have also spooked all the wildlife bigtime. They don't see hardly any deer at all on their ranch cause they've all migrated away from all the well activity.
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Re: Texas Gives up on Paving Roads, moves to Gravel. Welcome to Third World America.
Texas has the best roads and infrastructure in the country. Bar none!

I've been living here for 10 years. And while I hate this fucking state and most of the retards who live here, the roads are fantastic! Much better than any of the states in the nation (of which I've driven almost all).
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Re: Texas Gives up on Paving Roads, moves to Gravel. Welcome to Third World America.
And yes, there's a difference between county roads and highways. TX has nice highways, it's just the small county roads in the rural areas that lead to wells that are being downgraded to gravel because of truck traffic.

But after the well is operational, the trucks are gone. At that point it's just maintenance and disposition trucks visiting the well now and then.
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Re: Texas Gives up on Paving Roads, moves to Gravel. Welcome to Third World America.
Texas has the best roads and infrastructure in the country. Bar none!

I've been living here for 10 years. And while I hate this fucking state and most of the retards who live here, the roads are fantastic! Much better than any of the states in the nation (of which I've driven almost all).
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Nothing is worse than Louisiana imo. Their HWYs are like something from Baghdad after a carpet bombing.
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Re: Texas Gives up on Paving Roads, moves to Gravel. Welcome to Third World America.
Texas lets the oil companies destroy the aquifer and poison the land and water, there will be no need for these farm to market roads any more because there won't be any farms.

This is happening all over the US.

It's almost like there is some kind of plan.

:)
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ohyeah
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Re: Texas Gives up on Paving Roads, moves to Gravel. Welcome to Third World America.
I prefer and miss dirt and gravel roads in the country, so this turn is a good thing in my eye. Maybe we can start slowing down and enjoy life again.
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Re: Texas Gives up on Paving Roads, moves to Gravel. Welcome to Third World America.
Why do the roads turn to crap so quickly?

Honest question; here in MI-or other states that have winter lol- it makes sense. We get rain/snow in the cracks of the roads, the temps drop, and the rain/snow turns to ice, making cracks larger. Therefore we end up paying a ton for repaving roads on a yearly (or sometimes bi-yearly) basis.
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Re: Texas Gives up on Paving Roads, moves to Gravel. Welcome to Third World America.
we can use donkey-travel now. Gravel is better for their little footsies, and a slower pace of life is a lot better for us.
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Re: Texas Gives up on Paving Roads, moves to Gravel. Welcome to Third World America.
WTF!? Why not make OIL COMPANIES pick up the tab?

Stupid Texans.
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Oil companies pick up the tab, they in turn pass it on to the consumer. So in the end the consumer is paying for the roads.
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Using shredded old tires as a material for new road construction projects has saved Indiana more than $1 million in the past two years, state officials said.

Civil engineers at Purdue University who helped determine the proper mixing ratio of tire shreds to sand for specific applications say using the mixture is a green alternative to more expensive materials, a university release said Thursday.


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Re: Texas Gives up on Paving Roads, moves to Gravel. Welcome to Third World America.
Heck, that's not too bad at all. Some County Roads in NM, are simply ruts in the sand with signs posted nearby.
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Re: Texas Gives up on Paving Roads, moves to Gravel. Welcome to Third World America.
thank god my area has NICE raods. They just paved like 20 miles of straight highway, its now like4-6 lanes. they do CONSTANT roadwork in my area and our roads are NICE and flat.

KS baby!
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you're talking about highways, this is about back roads. huge difference.
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Most of my back roads are paved also. There's the suburbs and then you can travel a little farther out and they literally are all paved. not shitty ones either.
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Re: Texas Gives up on Paving Roads, moves to Gravel. Welcome to Third World America.
It takes 1,000 semi trucks to get a single well operational. That is hard on roads. These are country roads that were probably gravel until the last 5 to 20 years. The paving of these minor little used roads is often done cheaply. They aren't meant for the same kind of constant heavy duty use that major roads are built for. I've seen nice paved roads turn to crumbles in one day because of dozens of heavily laden big rigs driving down them during wet weather.

I think it's just wise use of money. I also think the energy companies should have to foot the bill to keep the roads up.
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Fuck yeah. They tore the road up with their trucks, so they can pay to fix it. Oil companies need to pay the FULL COST OF OIL, and that means not fucking up the existing area, or fixing it.
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Re: Texas Gives up on Paving Roads, moves to Gravel. Welcome to Third World America.
WTF!? Why not make OIL COMPANIES pick up the tab?

Stupid Texans.
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Oil companies pick up the tab, they in turn pass it on to the consumer. So in the end the consumer is paying for the roads.
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Yeah, but not the locals that lost their paved road. They shouldn't have to pay the cost or inconvenience to get oil to some soccer mom in LA.
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Re: Texas Gives up on Paving Roads, moves to Gravel. Welcome to Third World America.
I prefer and miss dirt and gravel roads in the country, so this turn is a good thing in my eye. Maybe we can start slowing down and enjoy life again.
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I live on a dirt road, and the dust coming in my house is unreal. Nobody should be forced to live like this.
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Re: Texas Gives up on Paving Roads, moves to Gravel. Welcome to Third World America.
By me they took a really pot hole ridden road...layed down some gravel, rolled it, then went over it with some kinda tar/oil stuff.
Now, 2 years later the road is still as smooth as a billiard table and has really good grip in bad weather.
Maybe they had a better way back in the day.
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Re: Texas Gives up on Paving Roads, moves to Gravel. Welcome to Third World America.
thank god my area has NICE raods. They just paved like 20 miles of straight highway, its now like4-6 lanes. they do CONSTANT roadwork in my area and our roads are NICE and flat.

KS baby!
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you're talking about highways, this is about back roads. huge difference.
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Back in the 60's I drove 70 on Ks dirt roads. They were smooth and straight.
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Re: Texas Gives up on Paving Roads, moves to Gravel. Welcome to Third World America.
It takes 1,000 semi trucks to get a single well operational. That is hard on roads. These are country roads that were probably gravel until the last 5 to 20 years. The paving of these minor little used roads is often done cheaply. They aren't meant for the same kind of constant heavy duty use that major roads are built for. I've seen nice paved roads turn to crumbles in one day because of dozens of heavily laden big rigs driving down them during wet weather.

I think it's just wise use of money. I also think the energy companies should have to foot the bill to keep the roads up.
 Quoting: Unixlike


I don't doubt that number, but it seems a little inflated to me from my experience. Up here, oil companies are forced to put a bond on county roads that they use and then the county pulls from the bond to keep the roads maintained, mind you, we don't have paved leases up here.


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Re: Texas Gives up on Paving Roads, moves to Gravel. Welcome to Third World America.
Might as well have a smooth gravel road than a terrible paved one.
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Re: Texas Gives up on Paving Roads, moves to Gravel. Welcome to Third World America.
This also means a constant paycheck for a lot of people....

cheaper?....I don't believe it.

My road is gravel........the next road up the street is paved....both are about 1 mile long each.

The paved one was done about 15 years ago....full of potholes and gets no maintenaince..

Mine...the gravel one.....gets graded once a week....every week....

which one cost more?....the one-shot paved and forget about it......or the once a week maintenance for YEARS and YEARS?





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