Rapture Tribulation Christians and etc...

Post-Trib is the truth. Everybody will be in the suck.

You are right......christians will be here on earth for the great tribulations.

Pre-trip rapture is a fantasy mainly used by immature christians who don't realize that Jesus wants His saints perfected before they go to heaven.

It's not scriptural yet it keeps people going back to churches that preach this easy way out.

We're going to see bloody war and persecution soon.

props man....the pre-tribbers are not going to understand what is going on when the ANti-Christ rises to power....they are going to be like, "well we are still here so he cant be the anti-christ...he is doing miracles lets take his mark so he will love us..."

Pre-Trib is such a nice fantasy because It allows Christians to think that they are not going to have to be persuected or have their heads chopped off or even defend their faith for that matter. It is gonna ge rough and we are going to be hiding and sharing the word of God like we are thieves,speis, and terrorists. If you have not confessed your sins and asked for forigveness do it now and take Jesus Christ into your heart as your lord and savior. REad the bible and prepare for the Tribulation do not take the mark of the beast. Be prepared JEsus Loves you.

Here is the deal:

If you have The Holy Spirit Living and Witnessing within your heart, you Know Already what will "happen" during the Great Tribulation. That is, you Know that God will Guide your life, your every thought, word, and deed. HE does this already, doesn't HE?

Got any witness From HIM about Mystery Babylon? About the Lamb's Book of Life being closed?

No person who Loves Jesus will be lost, but only those who Abide With HIM will be beyond deception. Who are "the very elect"? They are the only Christians. They are the only Christians because their Surrender to The Father makes them HIS.

Ezekiel 36, verses 25 to 30

Those with a new heart, a Heart of Flesh, are the only ones who Dwell With HIM and are able to Know and Do HIS Will.



When The Lamb's Book of Life has been closed, names will be "blotted out". There will be no more Martyrs. God uses Martyrs to witness to others, to bring others Unto HIM. No Martyrs because the Lamb's Book is closed.

God Has Assembled HIS People.
HE will not lose them to the enemy.
the enemy is already defeated.
God may ordain the death of those who are HIS, but it will not be to the cause of Martyrdom.


OP, if you have not made your Surrender; you will have your time when Jesus IS Back. All who Love HIM, and all who have not rejected or spurned HIM will have their time to Come Unto The Father.


It is the Presence of The Holy Spirit that Leads and Guides HIS Remnant.

By HIS Victory we share.
In Service To God we live.

Gotta love logical dispensationalism ;)

God wishes that none will perish, however, those not prepared for the comming Tribulation will take part in the "Great falling away" and will denounce their faith and turn in their family members to this one world govt. christians will be persecuted and many Christians as of right now will end up taking the mark of the beast and in result will burn for eternity. Get ready it is gonna be a rough ride in.

DOOMED either way!

Pre tribbers will be in for a very nasty surprise...

And post tribbers will be in for an even nastier shock...

Ever been tortured?

Do you know if you could handle it when they peel the skin slowly of your children right in front of you in order to get you to deny and take the mark?

Do you think you could stand having your genitals mutilated and shocked?

Do you think you could tollerate seeing them rape and torture your wife and young daughters?

THIS is the sort of shit they do NOW in the middle east..the AMERICAN FORCES DO all of this already...

Just wait until Christians are labeles as terroists...not long now...

Do you think you will stand?

Better be in the position where you really KNOW where you stand...


OR YOU ARE SO DOOOOOOOOMED!!!

OP,

You have no witness about this; just your own conjecture. That is proof of deception.

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.


Every person calling themself Christian, save "the very elect" will likely suffer the deception Jesus Witnessed of.

Only KNOWING HIM, having The Holy Spirit With-IN you Preserves and Delivers you.


If you are not already dead to this world, you will likely be deceived.

The only "doom" I understand is being alienated from God. This would occur only if I chose to spurn HIM and return to Self.

If you don't understand that Abiding IN-HIM is our Ark, our PassOver and our Deliverance; then, hold tight to what you do know. If you Love The Father and The Son, you cannot be lost.

Maranatha!!!
Jesus IS Coming.

As I said....


SO DOOOOOMED!!!

Great site for studying the coming tribulation:
[link to watchmanspost.com]

85041.......you said a mouthful

And you are so right.

Death doesn't scare me.....but my flesh doesn't like the thought of having my nuts in a vice or my skin pealed off...or of being burned alive.

Guess we all better get serious about where we stand and pray that we will be able to stand when these demonic possessed people decide to rip the flesh from our bones.

Good Post!!!

Its not often that I see a valid post here..so this is refreshing.

I think the "Church" has been "set up" by the pre-trib position.

Christ Himself endured His Own Tribulation...why should "His" Body (those who accept His as their Savior) avoid that same tribulation?

Great post! Let's not forget Paul's letter to the Thessaloinans. Paul wrote this letter in response to the Thess. actullay believing they had missed the Day of Christ, his return! Thess. 2:2 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; A "falling away" is translated from apostsia=apostacy! The defintion of Apostacy is "defection" or revolt Can non-believers defect from the faith of Jesus. No! Only believers can! This is why Jesus warned us so many times not to be decieved. Then the man of sin(antichrist) is revealed. This one verse destroys a pre-trib. view, the only way to make a pre-trib. veiw work is by scriptrual gymnastics!

do you know the guy on your avator is lucifer in the prophecy movie.....who are you for making statement about christians....satan?

im christian,and i dont believe in the rapture they talk about .I do believe some will be protect and keep safe.Some wont have to get trought all this nightmare.Most of us will have to proved ourself since we so full of sinned.

A.C. I assume you were speaking to the original OP, my name Mathetes is Greek for disciple. As far as the rapture, which is a latin word for the "catching away" mentioned not only by Paul, but our Lord also! Will happen, there is just so much contrvesry surrounding the timing. I find that by reading the 24th chapter of Matthew in a seamless reading plainly states that our Lord's return and our gathering together to him, plainly happens after! the trib.

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<Some wont have to get through all this nightmare.Most of us will have to prove ourself since we so full of sinned.>

AC, rest assured, as a child of God,
when you accepted Jesus to be your savior, and believe He is the Son of
God, you were forgiven for any and all sin. You don't "have to prove" anything to God. You don't receive salvation by your works.

The Lord is sweet and short to the point. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the ultimate sacrafice...does it?

Debunk that with your alien BS.

some will say lord lord and wont be safe,only those who follow him.I know him and still sinned ,so him worse then the pagans .

You need more then believing,yes our actions dont mean much but our heart does.

>>AC, rest assured, as a child of God,
when you accepted Jesus to be your savior, and believe He is the Son of
God, you were forgiven for any and all sin. You don't "have to prove" anything to God. You don't receive salvation by your works.<<

Thank you for posting this! I too have to wonder about a belief that promises torcher to all those who have already been bought and paid for by What Jesus Christ did on the cross. If our salvation depends on whether or not we can stand fast while our loved ones are torchered as some sort of a test to determine if we are worthy of salvation, than our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ died for not!

Now with that said, if we are true folowers of Jesus Christ and we daily walk with Him, than I firmly believe that he will not put us through more than we can or need to bear. We need not feel as though we are all alone in these trying times, for we have only to lean on our relationship with Him and He will see us through whatever is about to happen. JMHO

RE: You need more then believing, yes our actions don’t mean much but our heart does.

Believe in him and really mean the asking for forgiveness and you will be saved! I don't mean faking it...but really giving your heart to the Lord will make a world a difference!

It's just that easy! You know what I'm talking about...feel it! It might take 20 years, but you will understand the power of it all!

OP, I agree; we will go through the great tribulation.

What most pre-trib/mid-trib believers don't understand is that the coming tribulation is FOR the church. Christ is coming back for a spotless church that has been refined -- refined by fire (the fire of tribulation).

The great tribulation that is coming is appointed for the church, NOT for the world.

And, God's wrath, which will be poured out, is appointed for the world and NOT for the church.

There is a difference between God's wrath and Satan's wrath. The tribulation that the remnant church will suffer, falls under the category of Satan's wrath. (And, it will be far better to suffer Satan's wrath than to suffer God's wrath.)

Everyone will have to choose whom they will serve: God or mammon. Those who take the mark of the beast will have chosen mammon. People will take the mark of the beast, because they don't really trust God to supply all their needs; they believe their needs are supplied by the world system with its grocery stores, drug stores, gas stations, banks, etc. They will take the mark of the beast because they worship mammon and because they love their lives more than they love God; they will be unwilling to "love not their lives unto the death".

>>"Now with that said, if we are true folowers of Jesus Christ and we daily walk with Him, than I firmly believe that he will not put us through more than we can or need to bear. We need not feel as though we are all alone in these trying times, for we have only to lean on our relationship with Him and He will see us through whatever is about to happen. JMHO"<<
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You are correct. We will not be put through more than He would give us the strength to bear.

Peter was crucified upside-down, and God gave him the strength to bear it.

82216: I couldnt have said it better myself. So those who keep putting dates for the Lord to rapture the church you all are in for the shock of yall lives!

Yeah Viggo Mortensen played Lucifer in a movie. I like him as an actor get over it....Someone played the devil in the passion I assume you thinks that you mean she is going to hell too? Get over yourself. I made a post and it made sense. Christ is comming back for his spotless church and we better get ready for some judgement because as of now....it is anything but spotless.

I could agree that Bushco might fit the description of the Anti-Christ, because of their love of murder and violence, but I think they're just taking advantage of your superstitious beliefs.

It's so bad that we must be in the tribulation, and we're still here, so there must be no pre-trib rapture.
That's the thing about the Bible, you can read it just about any way you want. And some of you even know that the Bible was "fixed" back around 300 AD to show a certain point of view.
It's hard to handle that we're here alone and helpless except for what we do ourselves, isn't it? It's better to believe that the cavalry is on the way, Right?

The problem is that believing this encourages you to accept the outrageous war in Iraq and the crimes against the worlds citizens.

Please ask yourself this: "Would Jesus Condone the War in Iraq?"

It doesn't square with anything I've read in the Bible, if you think he would.
You people should repent your vote for Bush and your support for the Republicans. You were used like toilet paper and will be flushed when you are no longer useful.

"Christ is comming back for his spotless church and we better get ready for some judgement because as of now....it is anything but spotless."



"we better get ready", the OP says.
Well, tell 'em how, my friend.

Only by giving your life to God, can you BE MADE "ready". Get it???

Nothing you/we can do.
God does all the "getting ready" for us.
Read Ezekiel 36 24-30. It is God who replaces our hearts of stone, making them Hearts of Flesh *HIS Flesh*. It is God who Gives us the ability to "walk in HIS Statutes, Know HIS Will, and Carry HIS Will out".

We have no ability to "get ready".
It is The Father who "gets us ready".


This is tantamount to those Christians who think 2nd Timothy 2:15 means they should study The Bible to be "approved unto God". There are thousands/millions of them. They don't bother to read verses 1-9 in the same chapter, but they sieze on verse 15.


I wrote a witness on this forum BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS DO NOT CONTINUE IN SIN. The uproar and objection was almost universal.

You either Know HIM, or you do not!

Sadly, most Christians will not even Believe that God can/does Preserve HIS People from sin.

Agree that spiritual preparation in these perilous times is most important.

Should we secondly consider physical preparation also, such as food-water stocking, supplies and etc.? Or just trust in God to provide?

I do hope to be outta here before what Jesus described as "a time of trouble unlike any before, or after.....(the judgment years).....

a bridegroom who owns a kingdom, wouldn't drag his bride face-down through the mud just prior to their marriage.

Jesus is the bridegroom; His "bride" is the church, per the scriptures.

here is the Jewish wedding tradition:
consider:

[link to www.fivedoves.com]

me too

"the enemy is already defeated."
Yes, Yes, We allready know hte outcome
for it is written, and this is exactly how we will survive. Question is how do we prepare not to get the mark, I htought the only thing they said about the mark in the bible is that no man will buy, sell or trade, where does it say, Christians will be persecuted for not getting the mark?