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BREAKING; Harvard gun study concludes gun bans don’t reduce the murder rate!!

 
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BREAKING; Harvard gun study concludes gun bans don’t reduce the murder rate!!
In fact, it appears, bans may actually see them increase. Here’s a summary of the study’s findings:

The Harvard study attempts to answer the question of whether or not banning firearms would reduce murders and suicides. Researchers looked at crime data from several European countries and found that countries with HIGHER gun ownership often had LOWER murder rates.

Russia, for example, enforces very strict gun control on its people, but its murder rate remains quite high. In fact, the murder rate in Russia is four times higher than in the “gun-ridden” United States, cites the study. ”Homicide results suggest that where guns are scarce other weapons are substituted in killings.” In other words, the elimination of guns does not eliminate murder, and in the case of gun-controlled Russia, murder rates are quite high.

The study revealed several European countries with significant gun ownership, like Norway, Finland, Germany and France – had remarkably low murder rates. Contrast that with Luxembourg, “where handguns are totally banned and ownership of any kind of gun is minimal, had a murder rate nine times higher than Germany in 2002.

The study found no evidence to suggest that the availability of guns contributes to higher murder rates anywhere in the world. ”Of course, it may be speculated that murder rates around the world would be higher if guns were more available. But there is simply no evidence to support this.”

And, as the study points out, where guns are banned, murderers still find weapons with which to do their dirty work. The difference is that the victims potential means of self-defense. With guns available, one would assume their deterrent effect if not outright effectiveness in the self-defense realm would predictably knock the murder rate down. Criminals and murderers are less likely to attack if the possibility the potential victim is armed exists. Common sense 101.


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This, from the liberal snake's den itself.

MSM suppression in 3...2...
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Duh...LOL!

That study has been conducted a hundred times. It should be common knowledge for anyone smarter than a primate.
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Homogenous vs heterogeneous populations and culture.

During the last gun debate it was pointed out that the murder rate of white America was about the same as Europe’s murder rate. That black America’s murder rate was the same as Africa’s and so on.
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Thank you Op nice find 5* had to share this one. Its a good day when Harvard agrees with common sense.
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Homogenous vs heterogeneous populations and culture.

During the last gun debate it was pointed out that the murder rate of white America was about the same as Europe’s murder rate. That black America’s murder rate was the same as Africa’s and so on.
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THIS!

DEMOGRAPHICS!!
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This, from the liberal snake's den itself.

MSM suppression in 3...2...
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Exactly what I was thinking. Someone better get this study and make a lot of copies quick, as MSM will do everything to keep it in the dark.
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Has nothing to do with reducing murder rates and everything to do with bringing in communism...
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Hmm, a flawed study I see.

I'm pretty sure that if you don't have a gun you can't shoot people. Of course you're welcome to tell me I'm wrong, but read that sentence again. No gun, then what do you use instead? Can't be a gun if you don't have one can it?
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Hmm, a flawed study I see.

I'm pretty sure that if you don't have a gun you can't shoot people. Of course you're welcome to tell me I'm wrong, but read that sentence again. No gun, then what do you use instead? Can't be a gun if you don't have one can it?
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Um, bare hands, knives, hammer, baseball bat?

All of these account for more homicdes than guns.

You should know this from the UK's own violent crime stats.
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"An armed society is a polite society".........
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First of all.......No shit. Thanks again Harvard!!

Secondly,and I would be shocked if it hasn't been mentioned already, but Chicago has got to be the most glaring incrimination of "gun free zones" in America.

But why stop at Chicago? How about D.C., or NYC, or Baltimore and on and on and on.
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Hmm, a flawed study I see.

I'm pretty sure that if you don't have a gun you can't shoot people. Of course you're welcome to tell me I'm wrong, but read that sentence again. No gun, then what do you use instead? Can't be a gun if you don't have one can it?
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???? What are you smoking? sbus
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it wont reduce the murder rate but will increase the police state.
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Re: BREAKING; Harvard gun study concludes gun bans don’t reduce the murder rate!!

In fact, it appears, bans may actually see them increase. Here’s a summary of the study’s findings:

The Harvard study attempts to answer the question of whether or not banning firearms would reduce murders and suicides. Researchers looked at crime data from several European countries and found that countries with HIGHER gun ownership often had LOWER murder rates.

Russia, for example, enforces very strict gun control on its people, but its murder rate remains quite high. In fact, the murder rate in Russia is four times higher than in the “gun-ridden” United States, cites the study. ”Homicide results suggest that where guns are scarce other weapons are substituted in killings.” In other words, the elimination of guns does not eliminate murder, and in the case of gun-controlled Russia, murder rates are quite high.

The study revealed several European countries with significant gun ownership, like Norway, Finland, Germany and France – had remarkably low murder rates. Contrast that with Luxembourg, “where handguns are totally banned and ownership of any kind of gun is minimal, had a murder rate nine times higher than Germany in 2002.

The study found no evidence to suggest that the availability of guns contributes to higher murder rates anywhere in the world. ”Of course, it may be speculated that murder rates around the world would be higher if guns were more available. But there is simply no evidence to support this.”

And, as the study points out, where guns are banned, murderers still find weapons with which to do their dirty work. The difference is that the victims potential means of self-defense. With guns available, one would assume their deterrent effect if not outright effectiveness in the self-defense realm would predictably knock the murder rate down. Criminals and murderers are less likely to attack if the possibility the potential victim is armed exists. Common sense 101.


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Glad you posted this. The hand wringers and totalitarians don't have truth on their side.

The central fact is gubmint wants to remove the means of self defense. The question is why?

The answer is, because gubmint means to kill everyone who disagrees with its totalitarian program and it wants to make it easy and safe to do so.

What other reason could there be? In light of history and truth?

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Guns reduce the criminal rate.

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Re: BREAKING; Harvard gun study concludes gun bans don’t reduce the murder rate!!
In fact, it appears, bans may actually see them increase. Here’s a summary of the study’s findings:

The Harvard study attempts to answer the question of whether or not banning firearms would reduce murders and suicides. Researchers looked at crime data from several European countries and found that countries with HIGHER gun ownership often had LOWER murder rates.

Russia, for example, enforces very strict gun control on its people, but its murder rate remains quite high. In fact, the murder rate in Russia is four times higher than in the “gun-ridden” United States, cites the study. ”Homicide results suggest that where guns are scarce other weapons are substituted in killings.” In other words, the elimination of guns does not eliminate murder, and in the case of gun-controlled Russia, murder rates are quite high.

The study revealed several European countries with significant gun ownership, like Norway, Finland, Germany and France – had remarkably low murder rates. Contrast that with Luxembourg, “where handguns are totally banned and ownership of any kind of gun is minimal, had a murder rate nine times higher than Germany in 2002.

The study found no evidence to suggest that the availability of guns contributes to higher murder rates anywhere in the world. ”Of course, it may be speculated that murder rates around the world would be higher if guns were more available. But there is simply no evidence to support this.”

And, as the study points out, where guns are banned, murderers still find weapons with which to do their dirty work. The difference is that the victims potential means of self-defense. With guns available, one would assume their deterrent effect if not outright effectiveness in the self-defense realm would predictably knock the murder rate down. Criminals and murderers are less likely to attack if the possibility the potential victim is armed exists. Common sense 101.


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Hmm, a flawed study I see.

I'm pretty sure that if you don't have a gun you can't shoot people. Of course you're welcome to tell me I'm wrong, but read that sentence again. No gun, then what do you use instead? Can't be a gun if you don't have one can it?
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I don't expect a Brit to understand this. But there has to be a balance of power between gubmint and people.

Once people are disarmed that balance of power doesn't exist.
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What about suicides?

Those numbers are high and some studies have shown that wen suicide is less likely to work, or thought more painful, fewer try it.

*I'm not anti-gun, or even anti-suicide, I just noticed the article didn't seem to address that data.
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In United State of Africa .. White people should carry guns to protect themselves from gangbang and muggers.
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Hmm, a flawed study I see.

I'm pretty sure that if you don't have a gun you can't shoot people. Of course you're welcome to tell me I'm wrong, but read that sentence again. No gun, then what do you use instead? Can't be a gun if you don't have one can it?
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Hmmm. Flawed logic, I see.

It isn't as if death by gunshot is the only way people can be killed.

In China, for example, they usually use rat poison for their mass murders, which are rather frequent, as a matter of fact.

Knives and scissors are favorite weapons there too, though they use all kinds of things to kill people, bats, hammers, iron bars...

After all, murder and mayhem were common long before firearms were invented.

We are talking about murder, aren't we, not just death by gunshot?

Think it through
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Hmm, a flawed study I see.

I'm pretty sure that if you don't have a gun you can't shoot people. Of course you're welcome to tell me I'm wrong, but read that sentence again. No gun, then what do you use instead? Can't be a gun if you don't have one can it?
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The liberal way of thinking! Wow!

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Hmm, a flawed study I see.

I'm pretty sure that if you don't have a gun you can't shoot people. Of course you're welcome to tell me I'm wrong, but read that sentence again. No gun, then what do you use instead? Can't be a gun if you don't have one can it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11983511


I don't expect a Brit to understand this. But there has to be a balance of power between gubmint and people.

Once people are disarmed that balance of power doesn't exist.
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like you have the power to stand up to your covernment... this isn't red dawn hillbilly...
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Hmm, a flawed study I see.

I'm pretty sure that if you don't have a gun you can't shoot people. Of course you're welcome to tell me I'm wrong, but read that sentence again. No gun, then what do you use instead? Can't be a gun if you don't have one can it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11983511


I don't expect a Brit to understand this. But there has to be a balance of power between gubmint and people.

Once people are disarmed that balance of power doesn't exist.
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like you have the power to stand up to your covernment... this isn't red dawn hillbilly...
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Why is the murder rate so low in Britain then?
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Hmm, a flawed study I see.

I'm pretty sure that if you don't have a gun you can't shoot people. Of course you're welcome to tell me I'm wrong, but read that sentence again. No gun, then what do you use instead? Can't be a gun if you don't have one can it?
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I don't expect a Brit to understand this. But there has to be a balance of power between gubmint and people.

Once people are disarmed that balance of power doesn't exist.
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like you have the power to stand up to your covernment... this isn't red dawn hillbilly...
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“You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.”
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As an American, I would personally prefer to keep this sentiment alive. Especially if it was to ever pertain to my own Government.
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Why is the murder rate so low in Britain then?
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Fewer negroes would be my guess.
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Why is the murder rate so low in Britain then?
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Climbing:

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The murder rate in England and Wales rose by 5% last year to 636 but overall crime remained stable or even fell despite the August riots, according to Home Office figures.

The quarterly crime figures covering the 12 months to September 2011, however, reveal a worrying rise in robbery and some kinds of theft, including a 10% rise in robberies at knifepoint to 15,313.
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bump yes it always makes sense to take the guns away from the responsible gun owners so that only the criminals have them. gaah





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