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Did the USSR really collapse? Has the new USSR been working with Islamist terrorists?

 
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Did the USSR really collapse? Has the new USSR been working with Islamist terrorists?
According to the news, it seems that Russia and the US are at total odds on attacking Syria.

I got to thinking about how it seems odd that that Putin and other former FSB and KGB and Communist Party members have been the ones in control of Russia. In fact the United Russia Party (Putin's party) comes from the Fatherland-All Russia party, who were bent on restoring the Soviet/Communist bureaucracy back to power. Putin still visits with the Communist Party in Russia. He's put out a school textbook that will teach a whitewashed history of Stalin.

So then my next thinking is then: did the Soviet Union really collapse or did it just undergo a bit of a transformation? Was it a phony collapse designed to lull the rest of the world into the communist sphere?

It seems like the US, the EU, many countries around the world are now at the very least socialist, if not state-centrally planned economies. The militaries of the West have been bogged down in these wars now in the Mideast and North Africa and what has been the benefit for the average citizen?

So I'm throwing this idea out there (and it's backed up by this link below from an interview with the defector Litvinenko who was assassinated back in the mid 2000s).

It seems like Islamist terror didn't really kick in to high gear until the late 1970s, and then it was also carried out by groups that considered themselves Marxist more than Islamist.

So was the Soviet Union "collapse" a long drawn out plan designed to fool the West? Have they helped finance and train Islamist terrorists so that the US and West is drawn into Vietnam style wars that have now ended up creating such massive debt and perhaps military weakness, war weariness at home, that the West is now ripe for a takeover by the new Russia?

[link to www.indymedia.org.uk]

or are Islamist terrorists just that - people bent on jihad and sharia, and more funded by Qatar and other governments and organizations looking to build an Islamist superpower?

However, for many years, the marxists of the USSR were very active in the middle east like with Nasser in Egypt and the leaders before the Assad family in Syria.

Just bouncing ideas out there, but take a look at the link.

The fly in the ointment for my above theory though is Syria. Since Russia is allied with Syria and Iran as a counterbalance to the Sunnis and Arabs, and being that I'm convinced that Barack Obama is a marxist - why would he split with Putin, if Putin is friendly to marxists?
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Re: Did the USSR really collapse? Has the new USSR been working with Islamist terrorists?
here's a book by a Soviet defector stating that the "USSR collapse" was a planned phony collapse, switching the battleground up from a direct war.

So is it possible that the Russians have been drawing the US into battlefields thru Islamist terrorism?

[link to en.calameo.com]
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Re: Did the USSR really collapse? Has the new USSR been working with Islamist terrorists?
Through every so called revolution, so every so called societal collapse, the power structure has never changed and remains the same to this day.
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Re: Did the USSR really collapse? Has the new USSR been working with Islamist terrorists?
It's entirely possible. We know that the Russians are our enemies and aren't to be trusted. It's upsetting that Russia is taking the moral high ground on the gay issue while America is caving into perversion. Still, Russia is no friend of ours and they are competitive with us over the energy thing.

I think you have some very good points, OP. Yes, it is very likely.
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Re: Did the USSR really collapse? Has the new USSR been working with Islamist terrorists?
According to the news, it seems that Russia and the US are at total odds on attacking Syria.

I got to thinking about how it seems odd that that Putin and other former FSB and KGB and Communist Party members have been the ones in control of Russia. In fact the United Russia Party (Putin's party) comes from the Fatherland-All Russia party, who were bent on restoring the Soviet/Communist bureaucracy back to power. Putin still visits with the Communist Party in Russia. He's put out a school textbook that will teach a whitewashed history of Stalin.

So then my next thinking is then: did the Soviet Union really collapse or did it just undergo a bit of a transformation? Was it a phony collapse designed to lull the rest of the world into the communist sphere?

It seems like the US, the EU, many countries around the world are now at the very least socialist, if not state-centrally planned economies. The militaries of the West have been bogged down in these wars now in the Mideast and North Africa and what has been the benefit for the average citizen?

So I'm throwing this idea out there (and it's backed up by this link below from an interview with the defector Litvinenko who was assassinated back in the mid 2000s).

It seems like Islamist terror didn't really kick in to high gear until the late 1970s, and then it was also carried out by groups that considered themselves Marxist more than Islamist.

So was the Soviet Union "collapse" a long drawn out plan designed to fool the West? Have they helped finance and train Islamist terrorists so that the US and West is drawn into Vietnam style wars that have now ended up creating such massive debt and perhaps military weakness, war weariness at home, that the West is now ripe for a takeover by the new Russia?

[link to www.indymedia.org.uk]

or are Islamist terrorists just that - people bent on jihad and sharia, and more funded by Qatar and other governments and organizations looking to build an Islamist superpower?

However, for many years, the marxists of the USSR were very active in the middle east like with Nasser in Egypt and the leaders before the Assad family in Syria.

Just bouncing ideas out there, but take a look at the link.

The fly in the ointment for my above theory though is Syria. Since Russia is allied with Syria and Iran as a counterbalance to the Sunnis and Arabs, and being that I'm convinced that Barack Obama is a marxist - why would he split with Putin, if Putin is friendly to marxists?
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Interesting book I read a couple of days ago titled The World War Deception. The author posted it to Scribd. In it, Hamad Subani shares what his research on the subject of Russia revealed, that Russia and its political servants are at the root of globalism (even when one considers that Russia maintains a separatist stance for its own).According to him, Russia is in the midst of a global takeover, and its all by design.

A lot of facts he shares in the his book lends credence to his arguments, but it's information many of us already know about. He also shares other interesting points as well.

According to Subani, the Soviet Union didn't collapse, it only changed its face (outward appearance).

[link to www.scribd.com]
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Re: Did the USSR really collapse? Has the new USSR been working with Islamist terrorists?
USSR may or may not be in existance really isn't a factor in the Syrian situation right now. I look at the situation as Russia has a better understanding just how unstable the middle east is and they are supporting Assad as he is a moderate Muslim leader and they want Syria to be stable. The insurgency against the existing Syrian government undermines Russia's interest since they know the best how once radical beliefs can lead to chaos (Nazi Germany). OP you may be right that while the USSR is formally dissolved, by supporting Assad's Syrian government, they can exercise informal control over Syria and United States intervention undermines that control.

Here is how I see things:

Obama has the view that anything is better than Assad and believes we can somehow control a new government in Syria so therefore it's better to get rid of what we know is bad with the hope that it will be better later. NOW throw Iran into the mix, they know they have the best chance in creating a new Syrian government by helping overthrow Assad ON THEIR OWN TERMS and they have very little of a chance with US intervention, they want a radical Muslim Syrian state. Obama believes that with a overthrown Assad, the United States can create a pro western nation similer to Israel, Jordon and Turkey and that destroys the investment Russia has made thus Russia wants the United States out of Syria.

In short it's nothing short of a high stakes poker game. Russia doesn't want to gamble and lose the allie they have in Syria, United States believes a new govrnment in Syria is worth chancing, Iran knows that they don't stand a chance should Syria go pro western and then there is "poor" Israel, they are just trying to stay alive and would attack the United States in a heartbeat if they thought we were a threat to them.
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Re: Did the USSR really collapse? Has the new USSR been working with Islamist terrorists?
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Re: Did the USSR really collapse? Has the new USSR been working with Islamist terrorists?
Yes of course it was fake and pre-planned Golytsin and other defectors spelled it out for the CIA over a decade before it happened. The CIA wouldn't listen to him because their inner core is NWO via the Knights of Malta and the Vatican - same as the inner core of the KGB.

What you have seen over recent history is the run up to, and conditioning for, a merger of all nations into a One World Order - Obama is there to oversee the dismantling of the US as a representative of the rest of the world - that is why he is an anti-american, anti-western anti-imperialist, world socialist citizen as well as being a muslim M.B agent.

There is no conflict between the US and Russia, what you see is a formation dance to herd the other nations into place.
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Re: Did the USSR really collapse? Has the new USSR been working with Islamist terrorists?
The thing is most people who believe in some kind of conspiracy with Obama would say he's some kind of agent for the Muslim Brotherhood or Saudis or that he was steeped in marxism.

So the old USSR if they've just changed their outward appearance - and it does seem odd that Edward Snowden was allowed an easy escape route to Russia and now there is just a plethora of information being released by him that embarrasses the US and reveals espionage tactics with zero response from Obama - why would Obama and Putin be at odds like this?

It makes sense to me of Obama being pro-Islamist/pro-caliphate there in the Mid East to support the Muslim Brotherhood and Sunni Islamists throughout North Africa - Tunisia, Libya, Sudan, Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan, now Syria (could Jordan and Lebanon and Iran be far behind?)

And if Russia is responsible for stirring up Islamist terrorists and the U.S. under Obama now fights on their side - the only real split seems to be in regards to what Saudi Arabia threatened Russia with the other day (Chechen terrorists) and the Russia alliance with Iran and Syria.
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Re: Did the USSR really collapse? Has the new USSR been working with Islamist terrorists?
there is prophecy around Russia's secret armies ~

i too wonder if the Caliphate is an extension of Russia.

Moscow and Damascus. Moscow and Tehran. Moscow and Lebanon ~
they have very old, strong ties.
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Re: Did the USSR really collapse? Has the new USSR been working with Islamist terrorists?
Of course not.
Russia has the same enemy as before and the same allies.
Russia has the same method by which it acts and the same priorities.
Only the inculcated stupidity of Americans makes the question difficulty to answer.
A thing is what it is, not necessarily what that thing says it is.
The concept that someone would lie to protect themselves from you seems to be an impossibility to many of you.
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Re: Did the USSR really collapse? Has the new USSR been working with Islamist terrorists?
KGB operatives were the high priests of marxism and it's enforcers.
They were the true believers in their own superiority and everyone elses inferiority.
The claim that Russia was created by deception from the former CCCP to obscure and shield the persisting marxist theocracy would require that the KGB remained in charge of everything in some way, oh, wait a moment.....
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Re: Did the USSR really collapse? Has the new USSR been working with Islamist terrorists?
Yes of course it was fake and pre-planned Golytsin and other defectors spelled it out for the CIA over a decade before it happened. The CIA wouldn't listen to him because their inner core is NWO via the Knights of Malta and the Vatican - same as the inner core of the KGB.

What you have seen over recent history is the run up to, and conditioning for, a merger of all nations into a One World Order - Obama is there to oversee the dismantling of the US as a representative of the rest of the world - that is why he is an anti-american, anti-western anti-imperialist, world socialist citizen as well as being a muslim M.B agent.

There is no conflict between the US and Russia, what you see is a formation dance to herd the other nations into place.
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Again with the knigits of Malta and vatican who are being used to remind you that the ones obviously in power are not the ones, and that some old shrivelled male homunculus in a dress have enough power to destroy the west.
Meanwhile all benefits flow to one new tiny country in the ME which refuses to live within it's own means or borders.





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