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But..GOD PLANNED hell..HE WANTS to torture most of your forever.

 
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God is omnipotent..

all knowing and all seeing.

He knew long before he created anyone that billions of beings he was about to create were destined to be tortured by being burnt alive forever by him in a place he created JUST for that purpose.

GOD PLANNED hell.

If He did not he is not all knowing.

He is also a TORTURE expert and has seen to it that the people in hell suffer to the UTMOST every second of their eternity..

being so compassionate and merciful God also saw to it that there would be NO correction there..

NO rehab..

and NO WAY OUT..

a Just and fair "Punishment of eternal duration for the mere sin of being created and born into a world where life generally sux..

followed by an even more suckful eternity.

But Jesus DIED to save us from this place he INTENDED us to go to..

the place HE created to roast the vast majority of people alive in unbearable agony forever.

He died to save us from HIS JUSTICE..

to save us from HIMSELF really..

after all..

HE RUNS and MAINTAINS HELL..

PLUS..

he created every torture device there..

HE creates the flames by the word of his mouth..

HE knows every bit of agony that goes on there..

and all those there DESERVE it..f

or being born HUMAN..

in a fucked up crazy loveless world with about 20 million religions to choose and confuse..

But if we choose wrong..with our very LIMITED understanding of life or eternity..

sorry..

but you have to BURN.

Also..

if you are born into a religion like islam or Bhuddism or some such..

YOU WILL BURN as well..

for DARING to be born to the wrong culture..

wrong parents..

and wrong religion..

even though GOD chooses who gets born to who and where..

cause if he did NOT choose..

and you are born by MISTAKE into the wrong religion..then God is not all KNOWING and NOT in control at all.

This worlds justice system..

while unfair in a lot of cases usually fits the punishment to the crime.

You speed..

you get a fine..

you steal..

you get a bigger fine and locked away for a bit..

you kill..

you get locked away for a fair while..

But Gods justice system is the opposite..

You steal..

you get tortured forever without mercy..

You swear even..

same result..

you do anything wrong no matter how big or small..

and its TORTURE TIME!!!!

God has one punishment for all..

ETERNAL TORTURE with NO PAROLE..

MERCY..

SYMPATHY..

COMPASSION..

REHABILITATION..

OR LET UP...

And HIS ways are supposed to above OURS?

How many fathers on earth would torture their kids for the rest of their lives for stealing a cookie from the cookie jar?

NONE..

except the really fucked up ones who DO get locked awy for doing it..

But when GOD does it..

we honor him and build churches in his name...

But THIS is what is taught...let me break it down some more to its ILLOGICAL conclusion...



God created satan..

and he KNEW BEFORE he created satan that satan WOULD bring sin into being..

so GOD..

being in ULTIMATE CONTROL of everything..

MUST HAVE PLANNED it..

cause if he did NOT..

he is not all KNOWING..

and if he is not all KNOWING..

he is NOT GOD ALMIGHTY..

just god..a LITTLE bit mighty..

Plus IF God created satan and DIDNT KNOW satan would create sin..then GOD MADE A MISTAKE and could NOT see the future..

didnt he?

But who ever heard of a being who knows EVERY POSSIBLE FUTURE..making a MISTAKE?

So if he DIDNT MAKE a mistake..

which is IMPOSSIBLE for an ALL KNOWING BEING to do..

the he MUST have PLANNED THE WHOLE THING RIGHT FROM THE START..

and this plan..

according to MOST CHRISTIANS..

included creating a place to torture TRILLIONS of BEINGS he KNEW IN ADVANCE would reject him...

SO ITS PLANNED SADISM...

But we all know that TORTURE is EVIL..

especially torture without end..

So how can GOD who is ALL KNOWING and ALMIGHTY who PLANNED SIN to BE..

by creating a being that would BRING it to be..

and who ALSO have planned the ULTIMATE EVIL...be called LOVE and ALL KNOWING and have things said about him like "HIS MERCY endrues FOREVER...

WHEN ITS CLEAR IT DOES NOT?

Besides..

he says there will be NO MORE TEARS..

NO MORE CRYING..

that ALL those things..

pain..

sorrow..

death..

agony..

will BE NO MORE..

SO HOW can this be TRUE if TRILLIONS OF BEINGS are going to be spending ETERNITY DOING JUST THAT?

So this being who is LOVE>.who CANT LIE..TOLD A LIE??

GET your FACTS straight chritians..either GOD makes mistakes..AND he is a liar..and THUS the most evil SADIST in history..

OR YOU ARE ALL WRONG ABOUT HIM!
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Ok, but what happened to you to make you so miserably unhappy?
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Because most of the human race are fairly miserable and don't actually use their free will as described or offered.

God nor Lucifer are interested in animal slaves. Just interested in the ones with spirit.
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Ok, but what happened to you to make you so miserably unhappy?
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Im not unhappy. But I used to be. I was a pastor for 12 years an used to teach that God was amecirless monster and tried with all my might to blackmail people into following him with all that fear and doom and death and torture like all "Good" christians do...

But then one day I woke up...and realised something..


Thread: Is it LOVE???...or DARK SINISTER HATE?????????

But..try to expose their DARK HATE with the truth and the DEMON EMERGES...

Thread: Christian LOVE at its finets..brought to you by the HELL screamers.


Because they are ALL UNDER DIRECT ILLUMINATI CONTROL...

Thread: The RELIGION of the ILLUMINATI!!!...this is how it ROLLS....be warned...you may have your eyes opened.

Because they serve a DARK AND SADISTIC GOD...

Thread: God..the GREAT experimenter.

Any further questions???
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OP, how did you become a pastor without any time in seminary school?

everything in your OP is wrong

like not just a little wrong

this thread is shady...
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OK..so God created hell..

He is the Creator, he gets to make the rules..

But because he is merciful, He also provided a way for you to escape hell..so shouldn't you try to do what he says to escape it?

Do football players argue that clipping is a dumb rule? Or do they try to avoid clipping so they won't be penalized?

The time for mercy, compassion, and rehabilitation is now..soon He is coming with wrath.

So, act now, ask for mercy, compassion and rehab. He will give it to you, and then you can help turn your friends from His wrath..
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hell was never intended for man. it was made for satan and the fallen angels. man goes there literally over Jesus' dead body.

only one things sends a person to hell...rejection of Jesus as God and savior.

consequently, only one thing saves a man....accepting Jesus as his/her Lord and savior.

lying, stealing. murdering..ect doesn't send you to hell. although they are all characteristics of a person out of relationship with God.

same thing with going to church, praying, doing good, ect....these things wont get you into heaven. but they are usually qualities found in Christians.
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God created life, man created hell.

Your life is a reflection of your perspective on it. If you go around seeing things as being terrible, they inherently will be.

Learn to think outside the book.

You had free will before you came here, you have free will right now, you will have free will when you leave this world.

Happiness is a choice, that's all it is.

Free the chains on your mind and the chains on your soul will vanish.

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Is it fair that the Bible says people can get into heaven by simply believing in Jesus, when there might be some far better people around who might go to hell simply because they didn't believe in him?

This question derives from a misunderstanding. When Jesus said that anyone who believes in him will have eternal life, the implication of his word believe has been lost in many Bible translations; it actually had the connetation of not only believing, but also obeying. The jewish people would have understood that actions would automatically follow from true faith, and it wouldn't be true faith without them. (Though the true meaning of the word believe has been lost in many translations, the principle is spelled out in so many New Testament verses that it doesn't matter.)

From an article called The Law and the Christian from the Tektonics.org website:

"... And now we plagiarize our own work again to explain our meaning, The Semitic Totality Concept means that "a man's thoughts form one totality with their results in action so that 'thoughts' that result in no action are 'vain'." [Dahl, Resurrection of the Body, 60] To put it another way, man does not have a body; man is a body, and what we regard as constituent elements of spirit and body were looked upon by the Hebrews as a fundamental unity. Applied to the role of works following faith, this means that there can be no decision without corresponding action, for the total person will inevitably reflect a choice that is made. ...

Thus, what we would consider separate actions of conversion, confession, and obedience in the form of works would be considered by the Hebrews to be an act in totality. "Both the act and the meaning of the act mattered -- the two formed for the first Christians an indivisible unity." [Flemington, New Testament Doctrine of Baptism, 111] ..."

From an article called Why Didn't God Stop the Process Before it Started, if He Knew of the Massive Amounts of Suffering That Would Befall Many of His Creatures?? by Glenn Miller:

"... 1. The first 'long-term judgment' verse in the Bible:

“And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt. (Dan 12.2)

This is the first verse in the bible that refers to post-death, post-resurrection, long-term effects of this life, for those who actively reject God’s goodness. Notice that the 'quality of life' is described as 'disgrace' and 'contempt'--hardly mind-numbing torture terms! If the hell-experience had been understood as the intense suffering commonly attributed to it, then this verse has focused on very minor aspects of that--to the point of being misleading perhaps.

2. The "weeping and gnashing of teeth" passages: ...

As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (matt 13.40)

Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. 48 When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away. 49 This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous 50 and throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matt 13.47) ...

But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (matt 24.48ff) ...

There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out. 29 People will come from east and west and north and south, and will take their places at the feast in the kingdom of God. (Luke 13.28ff)


The discomfort described here is weeping/sorrow, NOT screaming/pain--contrary to most of the popular images of hell used for this question.

Notice that a few of these passages have the 'darkness' and 'fire' images, but the effects are cast in terms of sorrow ('weeping') and anguish/regret/anger ('gnashing of teeth', cf. Acts 7.54, Ps 37.12). Notice especially that in the Lucan passage the weeping occurs "when they see" their own exclusion--it is due to the separation issue, not some torture or pain. ...

Hell is thought by many to be eternal. But an examination of the original Greek words apparently sheds a new light on it, and according to some, it turns out that hell is a process of punishment meant to refine and correct faults, to bring people to feel sorrow for their past behaviour so they sincerely seek forgiveness and wish to change their ways, at which point, they can be allowed into heaven.

From an article called Is It All GREEK to You? by brad edwards:

"... While on the topic of "FIRE," let's consider another strong passage from Revelation.

REV 14:10"...he will be tormented with burning SULFUR in the PRESENCE of the holy angels and the Lamb"

In this verse we see the word "SULFUR" used for "tormenting" (punishing) those who follow the Beast. Also note that this is done in the PRESENCE of Jesus and not in some subterranean fire pit away from God. It is this PRESENSE of our holy God that causes their pain to be sure. So what is SULFUR? Well, in some Bibles it is translated "brimstone," but the Greek word here is "THEION" which can also be translated DIVINE as in something from God. Places that lightning touched were called "theia" and left a sulfurous smell. Also sulfur was used in purification ceremonies in that day by some outside of Judea. The real key here is that THEION is derived from THEOS which is GOD! Yes, THEOS is God in Greek and the word THEION comes directly from this Source.

Consider this passage from Acts:

Act 17:29 "Being then the children of God, we ought not to think that the DIVINE Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and thought of man."

The word translated here DIVINE is THEION which has been translated sulfur in other passages like in Revelation. The lake of Fire has a direct connection to the Divine because it comes from God. Not only is this a Divine Fire, but it is one that PURIFIES whatever it comes in contact with. Are we to suppose that our God and Father has no purpose in this Fire that torments those He created in His image and likeness? All that God does has purpose, we simply can't comprehend it yet. ...

The next word to look at is "AION" and its derivatives- "AIONION" and "AIONIOS." That ugly doctrine of "eternal" hell greatly depends on this word meaning forever. ...

There are many passages I could cite showing that AION or OLAM doesn't mean forever, but concerning an AGE or AGE-LASTING.
The many derivatives of AION are relating to an age or of the ages. Aionios is rendered "age-lasting" in better translations. The corrective punishment God uses is only for as long as it takes to bring godly sorrow and repentance. Many literal translations of the Bible have corrected this mistake as to bring back loving harmony to God's word as you will read later in this study. To reiterate, aion means an age- a limited period of time and NOT eternal, forever nor forever and ever. ...

The word for punishment here is "KOLASIS." The meaning is to punish, but for CORRECTIVE purposes and not out of vengeance. God is correcting those nations on His left with "aionion kolasis" which is translated this way in these Bibles:

"And these shall go away into age-abiding CORRECTION" -Rotherham's Emphasized Bible ..."

From an article called Honor and Pain - A Refocus on the Atonement and Eternal Punishment from the Tektonics.org website:

"... The 'logic' of hell in the bible is surprisingly simple: You receive back the treatment/effects you gave other agents (including God and yourself) with some kind of multiplier effect. [The bible is full of images of this reciprocity concept: reaping what you sow, being paid back, suffering loss as you had despoiled others, unkindness for unkindness shown, apathy for apathy rendered, 'eye for an eye', proportional judgement, etc] This is suited as well to what we have said of honor debts and shame as a response. You dishonor God; you receive dishonor in return. Appropriately your required response is to acknowledge your own need -- in effect, giving up your "honor" -- by admitting that you need God's help to pay the debt. ..."

[link to www.broadcaster.org.uk]
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it was the price that had to be paid in order for God to have sentient human beings with their own free will. God desired a creation as amazing as the human being to fellowship with, that are aware to be able to come to know him and have relationship with. the drawback with freewill is all the problems we have today. God knew what would happen, knew how terrible it would be but it had to happen. fortunately this story has a happy and just ending.
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THIS has to be the answer of the DAY..what a RIPPER...

Well it looks like God *did* create some for destruction!

Check this out:

Rom 9:21-23 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory.

But here's the point - God is entitled to do what He Wills with His creation...*He's The Creator*! BUT, He has made a way for all who would choose to take Him up on His offer of Grace...and IT COST HIM HIS SON! Is it not insane to have a choice but then choose eternal punishment out of spite? Really? You're pride is worth eternal damnation to you?

God Is...we're not! Let's knock off the nonsense!

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Hang on a minute...maybe I was one of the ones CHOSEN to burn forever and there is NOTHING I can do to change that..so what I do I am doing because thats the ROLE he chose for me to do...according to that verse you just posted..

So I dont HAVE a choice according to you..AND that verse...so god PLANNED my eternal toirture..and there is NO CHOICE involved..

SO much for free will..

CHOSEN to BUUUURN..yay..at least im staying faithful to my calling and NOT being a two faced arrogant HYPOCRITE.
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Ok, but what happened to you to make you so miserably unhappy?
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Im not unhappy. But I used to be. I was a pastor for 12 years an used to teach that God was amecirless monster and tried with all my might to blackmail people into following him with all that fear and doom and death and torture like all "Good" christians do...

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Ok, but you don't rail day after day after week after month after year about horrible terrible rotten EVIL!!! all day every day, assaulting and accusing the vast majority of good and decent people

because you are a good, happy and content person.

No. You are not.

You are enormously unhappy a feel the need to war constantly against others.

Please, just admit it. That is what you do.

What is your core issue? What motivates you. What is your cause? What do you live for? Hating them? Is that it?
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God doesn't torture anyone in hell, and no one gets burned alive. The word used in the bible is torment, not torture, and it is the natural result of living apart from the Maker going at it according to one's own ways. Saddest part is people in hell want to be there, their rejection of God so complete he gave them their hearts desire.
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god does not need to torture us forever

we can do that all by ourselves simply because we choose to

i have been in hell many times and i have been in heaven many times

both are temporary and neither satisfy

both are mundane and neither are to be feared

we are all god experiecing its-self

we can leave if we want to.. apparently..
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Ok, but what happened to you to make you so miserably unhappy?
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Im not unhappy. But I used to be. I was a pastor for 12 years an used to teach that God was amecirless monster and tried with all my might to blackmail people into following him with all that fear and doom and death and torture like all "Good" christians do...

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Ok, but you don't rail day after day after week after month after year about horrible terrible rotten EVIL!!! all day every day, assaulting and accusing the vast majority of good and decent people

because you are a good, happy and content person.

No. You are not.

You are enormously unhappy a feel the need to war constantly against others.

Please, just admit it. That is what you do.

What is your core issue? What motivates you. What is your cause? What do you live for? Hating them? Is that it?
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Im not warring against PEOPLE..im warring againt TEACHINGS of evil.

Or are the teachings of HELL and TORTURE the SAME as the people???

Are they THAT ENMESHED with torture and death and blasckmail and hate...that to speak AGAISNT those things is to speak againt THEM personally?

WOW..the evil runs VERY deep dosent it.
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OP continues to gloss over the blatant truth that i posted in this thread and the last one he/she was on.

OP doesn't want truth
OP wants to vent about God and make people turn from Him
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OP continues to gloss over the blatant truth that i posted in this thread and the last one he/she was on.

OP doesn't want truth
OP wants to vent about God and make people turn from Him
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No..I want people to turn again the EVIL God of DOOM and TOTURE..NOT the real God...you know..the one who actually LOVES us.\
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To further this point..READ THIS..\


God IS love.

Its NOT an ATTRIBUTE of his..its what HE ACTAULLY IS!!!!!!

1Jn 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

1Jn 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

So WHAT are the TELLING FEATURES of the LOVE that GOD ACTUALLY IS???


1Co 13:4 LOVE suffereth long, and is kind; LOVE envieth not; LOVE vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;

1Co 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

1Co 13:8 LOVE never faileth:

But to hear most christians preach..they TWIST it to mean...

1Jn 4:8 He that condemeth others not to hell knoweth not God; for God is JUSTICE and REVENGE.

1Jn 4:16 And we have known and believed the JUSTICE and RAGE that God hath to us. God is JUSTICE and ETERNAL RAGE; and he that dwelleth in JUSTICE and etrnal SPITE dwelleth in God, and God in him.

So WHAT are the TELLING FEATURES of the JUSTICE and ETERNAL RAGE that GOD ACTUALLY IS according to how they preach it???


1Co 13:4 JUSTICE and RAGE suffereth NOTHING, and is unkind; JUSTICE and RAGE envieth all things; JUSTICE and RAGE vaunteth itself and DEMANDS worship on pain of ETERNAL TORURE, and is INCREDIBLY puffed up,

1Co 13:5 Doth behave itself unseemly, seeketh always its own, easily provoked, thinketh eternal evil;

1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth in iniquity, but rejoiceth NOT in the truth;

1Co 13:7 Burneth all things, condemneth all things, hopeth all things burn, endureth nothing.

1Co 13:8 And LOVE??? well..it ALWAYS faileth:
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Hell is a state of mind. God did not choose this for you, you chose it for yourself.

Free will really sucks like that.....
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perfect example of a bullshit mockery thread
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Hell is a state of mind. God did not choose this for you, you chose it for yourself.

Free will really sucks like that.....
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THIS has to be the answer of the DAY..what a RIPPER...

Well it looks like God *did* create some for destruction!

Check this out:

Rom 9:21-23 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory.

But here's the point - God is entitled to do what He Wills with His creation...*He's The Creator*! BUT, He has made a way for all who would choose to take Him up on His offer of Grace...and IT COST HIM HIS SON! Is it not insane to have a choice but then choose eternal punishment out of spite? Really? You're pride is worth eternal damnation to you?

God Is...we're not! Let's knock off the nonsense!

Quoting: jdb


MY answer to that...

Hang on a minute...maybe I was one of the ones CHOSEN to burn forever and there is NOTHING I can do to change that..so what I do I am doing because thats the ROLE he chose for me to do...according to that verse you just posted..

So I dont HAVE a choice according to you..AND that verse...so god PLANNED my eternal toirture..and there is NO CHOICE involved..

SO much for free will..

CHOSEN to BUUUURN..yay..at least im staying faithful to my calling and NOT being a two faced arrogant HYPOCRITE.
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God is omnipotent..

all knowing and all seeing.

He knew long before he created anyone that billions of beings he was about to create were destined to be tortured by being burnt alive forever by him in a place he created JUST for that purpose.

GOD PLANNED hell.

If He did not he is not all knowing.

He is also a TORTURE expert and has seen to it that the people in hell suffer to the UTMOST every second of their eternity..

being so compassionate and merciful God also saw to it that there would be NO correction there..

NO rehab..

and NO WAY OUT..

a Just and fair "Punishment of eternal duration for the mere sin of being created and born into a world where life generally sux..

followed by an even more suckful eternity.

But Jesus DIED to save us from this place he INTENDED us to go to..

the place HE created to roast the vast majority of people alive in unbearable agony forever.

He died to save us from HIS JUSTICE..

to save us from HIMSELF really..

after all..

HE RUNS and MAINTAINS HELL..

PLUS..

he created every torture device there..

HE creates the flames by the word of his mouth..

HE knows every bit of agony that goes on there..

and all those there DESERVE it..f

or being born HUMAN..

in a fucked up crazy loveless world with about 20 million religions to choose and confuse..

But if we choose wrong..with our very LIMITED understanding of life or eternity..

sorry..

but you have to BURN.

Also..

if you are born into a religion like islam or Bhuddism or some such..

YOU WILL BURN as well..

for DARING to be born to the wrong culture..

wrong parents..

and wrong religion..

even though GOD chooses who gets born to who and where..

cause if he did NOT choose..

and you are born by MISTAKE into the wrong religion..then God is not all KNOWING and NOT in control at all.

This worlds justice system..

while unfair in a lot of cases usually fits the punishment to the crime.

You speed..

you get a fine..

you steal..

you get a bigger fine and locked away for a bit..

you kill..

you get locked away for a fair while..

But Gods justice system is the opposite..

You steal..

you get tortured forever without mercy..

You swear even..

same result..

you do anything wrong no matter how big or small..

and its TORTURE TIME!!!!

God has one punishment for all..

ETERNAL TORTURE with NO PAROLE..

MERCY..

SYMPATHY..

COMPASSION..

REHABILITATION..

OR LET UP...

And HIS ways are supposed to above OURS?

How many fathers on earth would torture their kids for the rest of their lives for stealing a cookie from the cookie jar?

NONE..

except the really fucked up ones who DO get locked awy for doing it..

But when GOD does it..

we honor him and build churches in his name...

But THIS is what is taught...let me break it down some more to its ILLOGICAL conclusion...



God created satan..

and he KNEW BEFORE he created satan that satan WOULD bring sin into being..

so GOD..

being in ULTIMATE CONTROL of everything..

MUST HAVE PLANNED it..

cause if he did NOT..

he is not all KNOWING..

and if he is not all KNOWING..

he is NOT GOD ALMIGHTY..

just god..a LITTLE bit mighty..

Plus IF God created satan and DIDNT KNOW satan would create sin..then GOD MADE A MISTAKE and could NOT see the future..

didnt he?

But who ever heard of a being who knows EVERY POSSIBLE FUTURE..making a MISTAKE?

So if he DIDNT MAKE a mistake..

which is IMPOSSIBLE for an ALL KNOWING BEING to do..

the he MUST have PLANNED THE WHOLE THING RIGHT FROM THE START..

and this plan..

according to MOST CHRISTIANS..

included creating a place to torture TRILLIONS of BEINGS he KNEW IN ADVANCE would reject him...

SO ITS PLANNED SADISM...

But we all know that TORTURE is EVIL..

especially torture without end..

So how can GOD who is ALL KNOWING and ALMIGHTY who PLANNED SIN to BE..

by creating a being that would BRING it to be..

and who ALSO have planned the ULTIMATE EVIL...be called LOVE and ALL KNOWING and have things said about him like "HIS MERCY endrues FOREVER...

WHEN ITS CLEAR IT DOES NOT?

Besides..

he says there will be NO MORE TEARS..

NO MORE CRYING..

that ALL those things..

pain..

sorrow..

death..

agony..

will BE NO MORE..

SO HOW can this be TRUE if TRILLIONS OF BEINGS are going to be spending ETERNITY DOING JUST THAT?

So this being who is LOVE>.who CANT LIE..TOLD A LIE??

GET your FACTS straight chritians..either GOD makes mistakes..AND he is a liar..and THUS the most evil SADIST in history..

OR YOU ARE ALL WRONG ABOUT HIM!
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That's pretty much it.

And of course there are conflicting theories. Some say when you die, you must go toward the light. The light is God. Others say the light is a trap. You must avoid the light at all costs.

So, everyone better hope they figure it out in your very limited time here on earth, and you better hope you've made the right choice. Go to the light / don't go to the light. If you're wrong... oooooouuhh.. it's burn time.

Apparently you get one shot to figure it out and make the right choice. No one goes to Hell for a couple of hours to think it over. It's all or nothing baby. Aren't you glad God prepared you for this monumental decision?
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mr australia has made up his mind. he hates God. he will not listen to reason. he chooses to remain willfully ignorant just as Gods word said many will do. he is full of hatred and evil. he just cant help himself, he just continues to post his hate constantly, its all he talks about. he has made his allegiance with satan
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perfect example of a bullshit mockery thread
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WHERE does it mock?

Is mocking toture and eternal screams and agony mocking GOD is it??

WOW..I must be on the right track then.

Considering the GOD of eternal torture and agony and screams is SATANIC..

Its good to mock satan.

He really HATES it.

I mean..look how he responds when you hit the nail on the head with TRUTH like this..

The facade drops away...AAND YOU SEE THE REAL DEMON BEHIND IT..

Thread: Christian LOVE at its finets..brought to you by the HELL screamers.
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mr australia has made up his mind. he hates God. he will not listen to reason. he chooses to remain willfully ignorant just as Gods word said many will do. he is full of hatred and evil. he just cant help himself, he just continues to post his hate constantly, its all he talks about. he has made his allegiance with satan
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Name ONE SPOT where I said I hate God?

JUST ONE...

Se my previous reply.
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God sent me to rate this 5 stars
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Hell is a state of mind. God did not choose this for you, you chose it for yourself.

Free will really sucks like that.....
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Ok, but what happened to you to make you so miserably unhappy?
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Im not unhappy. But I used to be. I was a pastor for 12 years an used to teach that God was amecirless monster and tried with all my might to blackmail people into following him with all that fear and doom and death and torture like all "Good" christians do...

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Ok, but you don't rail day after day after week after month after year about horrible terrible rotten EVIL!!! all day every day, assaulting and accusing the vast majority of good and decent people

because you are a good, happy and content person.

No. You are not.

You are enormously unhappy a feel the need to war constantly against others.

Please, just admit it. That is what you do.

What is your core issue? What motivates you. What is your cause? What do you live for? Hating them? Is that it?
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Im not warring against PEOPLE..im warring againt TEACHINGS of evil.

Or are the teachings of HELL and TORTURE the SAME as the people???

Are they THAT ENMESHED with torture and death and blasckmail and hate...that to speak AGAISNT those things is to speak againt THEM personally?

WOW..the evil runs VERY deep dosent it.
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What is your core issue? What motivates you. What is your cause? What do you live for? Hating them? Is that it?
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Hell is a state of mind. God did not choose this for you, you chose it for yourself.

Free will really sucks like that.....
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THIS has to be the answer of the DAY..what a RIPPER...

Well it looks like God *did* create some for destruction!

Check this out:

Rom 9:21-23 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory.

But here's the point - God is entitled to do what He Wills with His creation...*He's The Creator*! BUT, He has made a way for all who would choose to take Him up on His offer of Grace...and IT COST HIM HIS SON! Is it not insane to have a choice but then choose eternal punishment out of spite? Really? You're pride is worth eternal damnation to you?

God Is...we're not! Let's knock off the nonsense!

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MY answer to that...

Hang on a minute...maybe I was one of the ones CHOSEN to burn forever and there is NOTHING I can do to change that..so what I do I am doing because thats the ROLE he chose for me to do...according to that verse you just posted..

So I dont HAVE a choice according to you..AND that verse...so god PLANNED my eternal toirture..and there is NO CHOICE involved..

SO much for free will..

CHOSEN to BUUUURN..yay..at least im staying faithful to my calling and NOT being a two faced arrogant HYPOCRITE.
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Ummm...as long as you're quoting from the Bible, may I add:

Isaiah 45:7

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

I still stand behind free will and the choice of you to make your life what you will.

If you can't see God in everything, you can't see God in anything.
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OP, you really need to take it easy

you are really going about this the wrong way

not sure how this is edifying anything

the veins are bulging out of your forehead
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mr australia has made up his mind. he hates God. he will not listen to reason. he chooses to remain willfully ignorant just as Gods word said many will do. he is full of hatred and evil. he just cant help himself, he just continues to post his hate constantly, its all he talks about. he has made his allegiance with satan
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Name ONE SPOT where I said I hate God?

JUST ONE...

Se my previous reply.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46006572


Where do you have anything good to say about God.

Please link those posts and threads.

Should be a big list, right, because you love God, right?

You do want to be with God when you die, right?
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a) data collector
b) islamist
c) luciferian
d) poor kid who was abused by false Christians

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