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Esoteric Morgan ...in awe of many things User ID: 26943919 United States 09/03/2013 10:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Raw milk does not spoil like pasteurized milk. Though it will get sour, it is proliferated by the good bacteria. Pasteurizing kills the good bacteria and allows the bad bacteria to spoil the milk. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23794435 They also fermented the milk in the form of kefir and yogurt which gave it a longer shelf life. Interesting. Maybe this is why the organic milk I purchased yesterday has an expiration date of October 15th. All of the organics that I buy have expiration dates weeks ahead or longer. I defrosted a large piece of beef two weeks ago, then did not cook it. It stayed in the fridge for 7 or 8 days. When I finally had the opportunity to spend a good amount of time cooking, I opened that package half expecting it to be rancid...it was perfect! Now I have a whole chicken in the fridge waiting for me to roast. That one expires on September 22nd, although I will be cooking it tonight or tomorrow. Organics are high quality foods that last far longer than mainstream offerings. Last Edited by esotericMorgan on 09/03/2013 10:47 AM -- TRUST THE PLAN -- .......WWG1WGA...... ____________________________ still in awe of many things |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1667343 United States 09/03/2013 11:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | milk first day kept hot(not boiling)and used throughout the day. at night extra milk is either turned into curd or yogurt. curd can then be used in many different preparations such as sweet meats that will keep for a week or so. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45990046 The extra/excess(after so many ways to prepare have been exhausted) yogurt is next used for in butter churning. the extra butter is then made into ghee that will NEVER go bad. no electrical refrigeration needed at any point. How is Ghee made? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1667343 United States 09/03/2013 11:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wrong. They were originally called "ice boxes" because on the top, where a modern appliance has the freezer, was an insulated box where a large block of ice (or sometimes dry ice) was put. The cold air from the ice would naturally drift downward into the rest of the cabinet, keeping the food inside cool. You could get daily deliveries of ice blocks for this purpose. Errr..yeah...so um, big ice blocks just mysteriously manifested for you to use, across the world in every locale regardless of climate, simply if you had an ice box? As I said, ice boxes were useless - no, they were non-existent - in the days before electricity. Those ice-blocks that were delivered were made in special induction factories with electricity. You are mistaken. Many places harvested fresh water lake ice in the winter and stored it in well-packed sawdust to keep through the summer... the places where this ice was stored was called an ICE HOUSE. [link to en.wikipedia.org] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1667343 United States 09/03/2013 11:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Raw milk does not spoil like pasteurized milk. Though it will get sour, it is proliferated by the good bacteria. Pasteurizing kills the good bacteria and allows the bad bacteria to spoil the milk. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23794435 They also fermented the milk in the form of kefir and yogurt which gave it a longer shelf life. Interesting. Maybe this is why the organic milk I purchased yesterday has an expiration date of October 15th. All of the organics that I buy have expiration dates weeks ahead or longer. I defrosted a large piece of beef two weeks ago, then did not cook it. It stayed in the fridge for 7 or 8 days. When I finally had the opportunity to spend a good amount of time cooking, I opened that package half expecting it to be rancid...it was perfect! Now I have a whole chicken in the fridge waiting for me to roast. That one expires on September 22nd, although I will be cooking it tonight or tomorrow. Organics are high quality foods that last far longer than mainstream offerings. Very interesting. I recently had a problem with a chicken going bad before I could roast it. Please let me know how your organic chicken fares. I am very very interested to know. One of my biggest pet peeves is wasting food. |
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numewenon User ID: 45079183 Canada 09/03/2013 11:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I miss that pure cows milk. It had such a delicious creamy taste, and the delivered milk was tasty like that too. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36798122 Makes me wonder what I'm drinking now I tried some american milk a few weeks ago... It was horrible. I tasted like my 3rd year organic chem lab with a vague hint of watered down milk. Our milk here is better, but probably not by much lol. I know a farmer who can get me raw "for my pets" but hes quite far away. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36892270 United States 09/03/2013 11:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i remember drinking milk fresh from the cow when i was at my gran mothers house as a child.. all i remember is when the milk would come freshly milked she would then boil it and then it was good to drink.. and the most yummy tasting milk ever might i add.. |
lupa14714 User ID: 23350068 United Kingdom 09/03/2013 11:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Raw milk does not spoil like pasteurized milk. Though it will get sour, it is proliferated by the good bacteria. Pasteurizing kills the good bacteria and allows the bad bacteria to spoil the milk. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23794435 They also fermented the milk in the form of kefir and yogurt which gave it a longer shelf life. Interesting. Maybe this is why the organic milk I purchased yesterday has an expiration date of October 15th. All of the organics that I buy have expiration dates weeks ahead or longer. I defrosted a large piece of beef two weeks ago, then did not cook it. It stayed in the fridge for 7 or 8 days. When I finally had the opportunity to spend a good amount of time cooking, I opened that package half expecting it to be rancid...it was perfect! Now I have a whole chicken in the fridge waiting for me to roast. That one expires on September 22nd, although I will be cooking it tonight or tomorrow. Organics are high quality foods that last far longer than mainstream offerings. Very interesting. I recently had a problem with a chicken going bad before I could roast it. Please let me know how your organic chicken fares. I am very very interested to know. One of my biggest pet peeves is wasting food. you don't have to waste it,not if your a posh farmer! I worked on farm at East Lothian,come pheasant hunting season,they'd let them hang for ages,till green with maggots on,to enhance flavour. they also did this to other meats/produce. church of euthanasia. [link to www.facebook.com] have just left my paranormal photos on,as I,m leaving soon.some you have to see whole picture,as clipped. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 46229961 China 09/03/2013 11:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I wasn't wrong, but perhaps I didn't phrase the statement well enough. I first said "Ice boxes were no good for the days before electricity". That is true for the vast majority of people across the world over the past 2000 years. If you happen to be in the minority, or an eskimo, and live near where ice is produced naturally in frozen bodies of water, then sure, you could harness ice blocks. But ice boxes as a viable means of keeping things cool for the vast majority of the world did not come into their own until electricity enabled the wholesale production of ice blocks in rudimentary induction factories in places (i.e. the vast majority of the world) where ice from frozen lakes was not available. |
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phillk6751 User ID: 3570422 United States 09/03/2013 11:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm surprised nobody mentioned the non electric fridge. Simple method online at least is take a Terra cotta pot pour sand in bottom so a smaller pot will rest inside level with thebigger one at the tops. Then pour sand around them to create a barrier.. Then pour water to saturate the sand... Place items to cool in the small pot and cover the entire thing with a damp cloth. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 6714716 United States 09/03/2013 11:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Raw milk does not spoil like pasteurized milk. Though it will get sour, it is proliferated by the good bacteria. Pasteurizing kills the good bacteria and allows the bad bacteria to spoil the milk. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23794435 They also fermented the milk in the form of kefir and yogurt which gave it a longer shelf life. Interesting. Maybe this is why the organic milk I purchased yesterday has an expiration date of October 15th. All of the organics that I buy have expiration dates weeks ahead or longer. I defrosted a large piece of beef two weeks ago, then did not cook it. It stayed in the fridge for 7 or 8 days. When I finally had the opportunity to spend a good amount of time cooking, I opened that package half expecting it to be rancid...it was perfect! Now I have a whole chicken in the fridge waiting for me to roast. That one expires on September 22nd, although I will be cooking it tonight or tomorrow. Organics are high quality foods that last far longer than mainstream offerings. Dry aging beef involves storing in refrigerator for weeks or even up to 70 days. |
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Esoteric Morgan ...in awe of many things User ID: 26943919 United States 09/03/2013 12:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Raw milk does not spoil like pasteurized milk. Though it will get sour, it is proliferated by the good bacteria. Pasteurizing kills the good bacteria and allows the bad bacteria to spoil the milk. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23794435 They also fermented the milk in the form of kefir and yogurt which gave it a longer shelf life. Interesting. Maybe this is why the organic milk I purchased yesterday has an expiration date of October 15th. All of the organics that I buy have expiration dates weeks ahead or longer. I defrosted a large piece of beef two weeks ago, then did not cook it. It stayed in the fridge for 7 or 8 days. When I finally had the opportunity to spend a good amount of time cooking, I opened that package half expecting it to be rancid...it was perfect! Now I have a whole chicken in the fridge waiting for me to roast. That one expires on September 22nd, although I will be cooking it tonight or tomorrow. Organics are high quality foods that last far longer than mainstream offerings. Very interesting. I recently had a problem with a chicken going bad before I could roast it. Please let me know how your organic chicken fares. I am very very interested to know. One of my biggest pet peeves is wasting food. I've been cooking organics for a few years now; I have never had to throw away any organic meat. Before that, I would often find meat going bad even the day after purchasing it. Once I learned about the 'quality' issues of regular meat [i.e.: pesticides, herbicides, antibiotics, fungicides ...etc.] I switched to organics. It had gotten to the point where I hated the taste and texture of chicken, so I would not eat it, even when cooking it for my family. When I was preparing it, I could see 'changes' in the raw meat...blood spots, gummy 'fells' on surfaces, besides bone cracks on legs, which I later found out was due to the way chicken it processed these days. So, I stopped buying it altogether. Then I saw organics and free-range chickens being offered, so I tried them. YAY! i CAN EAT CHICKEN AGAIN! Now that organics are widely available in my area, I won't even buy free-range anymore! The quality of organics is amazing! The taste and texture are wonderful. The best plus is that you can make soup with the leftovers, simmering the bones and scrap parts for hours without fear of chemicals and disease leeching from them. This is something I stopped doing until finding organic choices. Soooooooo, I am 100% certain you will not be disappointed. While it is true that organics are pricey, you will not mind eating less...which is good for us anyway. In the past ten years I have only been to the doctor once for a medical problem, and that was to get a prescription for an asthma inhaler. My asthma has almost cleared since cleaning up my diet, although I still have problems with smells from car exhausts, fuel and the like. Oh, and dust. I am in better health now than ten years ago. While your food bill may be higher, your waistline will be smaller. One more thing about organic milk: you can taste the milk sugars in it. It has gotten to the point where even celery (organic) tastes sweet to me. I no longer buy sugar. This is how I stopped using sugar in my coffee, because the milk was sweet enough. If I find I am in the mood for some extra sweetness in my tea or coffee, I now use honey, maple syrup or agave...ll organic. -- TRUST THE PLAN -- .......WWG1WGA...... ____________________________ still in awe of many things |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 31161862 United States 09/03/2013 01:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wrong. They were originally called "ice boxes" because on the top, where a modern appliance has the freezer, was an insulated box where a large block of ice (or sometimes dry ice) was put. The cold air from the ice would naturally drift downward into the rest of the cabinet, keeping the food inside cool. You could get daily deliveries of ice blocks for this purpose. The Ice Man Cometh..... |
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Zugzwang User ID: 46246464 Hungary 09/03/2013 02:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Our local farmer delivers our family raw milk to our home once a week. He collects used 1.5 liter water bottles and fills them up with the milk, throws them into the back of his hot van and delivers around the neighborhood. We freeze ours and remove/thaw as needed. We sometimes sit a bottle out for a few days and it turns into sour milk, which is tasty. We never boil our milk. Since changing to raw two years ago our kids allergies totally disappeared. |
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HypnoSlaveDoll User ID: 45718190 United States 09/03/2013 05:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I wasn't wrong, but perhaps I didn't phrase the statement well enough. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46229961 I first said "Ice boxes were no good for the days before electricity". That is true for the vast majority of people across the world over the past 2000 years. If you happen to be in the minority, or an eskimo, and live near where ice is produced naturally in frozen bodies of water, then sure, you could harness ice blocks. But ice boxes as a viable means of keeping things cool for the vast majority of the world did not come into their own until electricity enabled the wholesale production of ice blocks in rudimentary induction factories in places (i.e. the vast majority of the world) where ice from frozen lakes was not available. Sorry, you are still wrong: "An inscription from c. 1700 BC in northwest Iran records the construction of an icehouse, "which never before had any king built." In China, archaeologists have found remains of ice pits from the seventh century BC, and references suggest they were in use before 1100 BC. Alexander the Great around 300 BC stored snow in pits dug for that purpose. In Rome in the third century AD, snow was imported from the mountains, stored in straw-covered pits, and sold from snow shops. The ice formed in the bottom of the pits sold at a higher price than the snow on top." |