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If christians love the BIBLE so uch why do they ignore most of it to fit an agenday?

 
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If christians love the BIBLE so uch why do they ignore most of it to fit an agenday?
Christians twist scripture or ignore them to create the eternal torture theme...as that is the AGENDA...to further a LIE!

Like this..

What the word actually SAYS

Isaiah 52:10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.

And what they actually TEACH..

Isaiah 52:10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of a small fraction of the nations; and some of the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.


And What the word actually SAYS

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

And what they actually TEACH..

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall about 10% of mankind be made alive.

And What the word actually SAYS

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

And what they actually TEACH..

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of just a few men, and only of those that believe.

And What the word actually SAYS

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

And what they actually TEACH..

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away...except in hell where screaming and pain and tears and death will continue quite happily for eternity.

And What the word actually SAYS

Isaiah 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. (8) He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

And what they actually TEACH..

Isaiah 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. (8) He will swallow up 10% of death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off about 10% of faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off a bit of the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

And What the word actually SAYS

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

And what they actually TEACH..

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw about 10% of men unto me.

And What the word actually SAYS

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

And what they actually TEACH..

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and for our's only, but not for the sins of the whole world.


And What the word actually SAYS


John 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

And what they actually TEACH..

John 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of part of the world.
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Took a fair bit of twisting of scripture to make them say the OPPOSITE of whats there...but most christians should not have a problem with it because its what they EXACTLY teach..
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Why did you feel the need to make another thread? Was it because I clearly showed that the lake of fire is clearly eternal and clearly biblical?
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Why did you feel the need to make another thread? Was it because I clearly showed that the lake of fire is clearly eternal and clearly biblical?
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Do you reserach and you will see it is not.

But thats up to you.

Are you afraid that you might stumble upon the truth and have nothing to scare people with anymore?..no reason to be arrogant and snide anymore?

You afraid of being a normal kind human being?

If so..dont do your research.
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Why did you feel the need to make another thread? Was it because I clearly showed that the lake of fire is clearly eternal and clearly biblical?
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Do you reserach and you will see it is not.

But thats up to you.

Are you afraid that you might stumble upon the truth and have nothing to scare people with anymore?..no reason to be arrogant and snide anymore?

You afraid of being a normal kind human being?

If so..dont do your research.
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And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Revelation 14:9-11


No need to do any research, the writing is on the wall. Are you afraid of the reality of eternal hellfire? I know I would if I was an enemy of God like you so clearly are. Why do you reject the word of God and the testimony of the Messiah? That is fools play.
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Why did you feel the need to make another thread? Was it because I clearly showed that the lake of fire is clearly eternal and clearly biblical?
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The Hebrew and Greek Scriptures had no word that meant, "eternal," "forever," or "everlasting," or any word meaning "endless time."

Thread: ETERNAL PUNISHMENT Is It Really of God?
When thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
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"Exposing Those Who Contradict"
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Re: If christians love the BIBLE so uch why do they ignore most of it to fit an agenday?
cause thats what all their reverends and pastors do.
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Re: If christians love the BIBLE so uch why do they ignore most of it to fit an agenday?
Isaiah 52:10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46254519


John 15:24
If I had not done among them the works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. As it is, they have seen, and yet they have hated both me and my Father.


1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
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1 John 3:24 - The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.




John 14:15-27 - “If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[a] in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.” Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?” Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.“All this I have spoken while still with you. But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.



1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
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Acts 17:28
‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’

2 Corinthians 5:21
God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
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Revelation 21:1-8 - Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.” He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.” He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”



Isaiah 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.
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Ephesians 5:6
Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient.


John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
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Is he not trying to draw them to him? How many are denying him?

Titus 1:16
They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
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John 3:16-18

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.




John 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.
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James 2:19
You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
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What is an agenday?
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Why did you feel the need to make another thread? Was it because I clearly showed that the lake of fire is clearly eternal and clearly biblical?
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The Hebrew and Greek Scriptures had no word that meant, "eternal," "forever," or "everlasting," or any word meaning "endless time."

Thread: ETERNAL PUNISHMENT Is It Really of God?
 Quoting: me777


I don't accept that.

.""…and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.""(2 SAMUEL 7:13)

Strong's Hebrew Lexicon Search Results

Result of search for "forever":

753 'orek o'rek' from 748; length:--+ forever, length, long.
5957 `alam aw-lam' (Aramaic) corresponding to 5769; remote time, i.e. the future or past indefinitely; often adverb, forever:--for ((n-))ever (lasting), old.
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Why did you feel the need to make another thread? Was it because I clearly showed that the lake of fire is clearly eternal and clearly biblical?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46179123


The Hebrew and Greek Scriptures had no word that meant, "eternal," "forever," or "everlasting," or any word meaning "endless time."

Thread: ETERNAL PUNISHMENT Is It Really of God?
 Quoting: me777


I don't accept that.

.""…and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.""(2 SAMUEL 7:13)

Strong's Hebrew Lexicon Search Results

Result of search for "forever":

753 'orek o'rek' from 748; length:--+ forever, length, long.
5957 `alam aw-lam' (Aramaic) corresponding to 5769; remote time, i.e. the future or past indefinitely; often adverb, forever:--for ((n-))ever (lasting), old.
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You should research beyond Strong's concordance if you REALLY want to find the truth, or don't search and accept that you don't believe the Scriptures OP posted and 100's of others clearly speaking of a final redemption of ALL in Christ

THE SECOND RESURRECTION

In the introduction to this article it was stated that membership in Christian based religion numbers over two billion people worldwide, or roughly one-third the earth’s population. However, Jesus makes it clear that there will be FEW, not many, who will find that narrow path leading to life. So what happens to the rest?

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.” (Revelation 20:12,15)

“And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet … These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.” (Revelation 19:20)

“And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire.” (Revelation 20:10)

So what is the purpose for the second resurrection? Is this where a loving God brings his rebellious creatures back to life for the purpose of endlessly tormenting them in a literal lake of fire? Absolutely not! Yet I hear the preachers ranting and raving about poor souls being cast into hell fire where ”their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched” and this, we are told, means eternal, unending torment. How foolish, illogical, and deceptive! Such a view contradicts the plain meaning of the term “unquenchable” and its use in the Word of God.

J. Preston Eby in his article The Lake of Fire provides some valuable insight:

More than 2500 years ago the Holy Spirit warned the wicked inhabitants of Jerusalem that God would kindle a fire at Jerusalem’s gates that would devour her palaces.

“But if you will not hearken unto Me … then will I kindle a fire in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem, and it shall not he quenched.” (Jeremiah 17:27)

Didn’t God just say that this fire “shall not be quenched?” This prophecy was fulfilled a few years later and it did destroy all the houses of Jerusalem (see Jeremiah 52:13). But since God said no person or thing would “quench” this fire, did that mean it would burn forever? Or since it accomplished the work it was sent to do, and since it is NOT BURNING TODAY, it obviously went out by itself after accomplishing its purpose!

So we can clearly see that the “fire” serves the very useful purpose of “burning up” all of the things that do not deserve to continue. When God turns on the HEAT, the BLAZING LIGHT OF HIS SPIRIT AND WORD, some things begin to change! The fire is never sent to destroy the PERSON, but is for the purpose of purging out all that hinders and separates him from his God. It will consume the pride, arrogance, hostility, defiance, and rebellion of the flesh, and the carnal mind so that he might then be wooed and drawn by the Holy Spirit unto the Father of Spirits and live.

ADDITIONAL WITNESSES

In His Word, God gives us three keys to use whereby we can unlock the meaning of the Scriptures. By applying these principles of Scriptural interpretation we should be able to see the lake of fire in its true context:

“Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.” (II Peter 1:20)
“In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.” (II Corinthians 1:13)
“Which things also we speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.” (I Corinthians 2:13)
Have you ever wondered why God’s Word is so redundant? Well, in any court of law it is nearly impossible to prove a case where there is no physical evidence, and when there is only one witness testifying against someone else. It is for this very simple reason that God will always confirm His Word in the mouths of two or three witnesses. And we will soon learn that there IS a second witness in one (and ONLY one) other passage of which I am aware in the entirety of the Word of God which speaks of every man’s work being tried and judged in God’s consuming fire.

“Every man’s work shall be made manifest, for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss, but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire.” (I Corinthians 3:13-15)

You may recall how it was earlier noted that the one who goes by the wide road will indeed suffer loss or ruin, BUT HE HIMSELF SHALL BE SAVED!

Origen Adamantius (185-254 AD), one of the early church fathers and the greatest of all Christian apologists and exegetes of his era, was obliged to defend his faith when Celsus, in his True Discourse, objected to Christianity on the ground that it taught punishment by fire. Origen replied that such thoughts had been entertained by certain foolish Christians who were unable to see distinctly the sense of each particular passage, or unwilling to devote the necessary labor to the investigation of Scripture. And perhaps, as it is appropriate to children that some things should be addressed to them in a manner befitting their infantile condition, to convert them, so such ideas as Celsus refers to are taught. But he adds that ”those who require the administration of punishment by fire” experience it “with a view to an end which is suitable for God to bring upon those who have been created in His image.” In reply to the charge of Celsus that Christians teach that God will act the part of a cook in burning men, Origen says, “not like a cook but like a God who is a benefactor of those who stand in need of discipline of fire.” Contra Celsus V. 15, 16.

“For our God IS a consuming fire.” (Hebrews 12:29)

Thus Origen interprets “fire” in the Bible not only as a symbol of the sinner’s suffering but of his purification. The “consuming fire” is a “refiner’s fire.” It consumes the sins, and refines and purifies the sinner. It burns the sinner’s works, “hay, wood and stubble,” that result from wickedness. The torture is real, the purification sure; fire is a symbol of God’s service, certain, but salutary discipline. God’s “wrath” is apparent, not real. There is no passion on His part. What we call wrath is another name for His disciplinary process. God would not tell us to put away anger, wrath (Origen says) and then be guilty Himself of what He prohibits of us. He declares that the punishment which is said to be by fire is understood to be applied with the object of healing. The “eternal fire” is curative.

Charles Pridgeon, in his scholarly work on the subject of BRIMSTONE, says:

“The Lake of Fire and Brimstone signifies a fire burning with brimstone; the word ‘brimstone’ or sulphur defines the character of the fire.

The Greek word THEION translated ‘brimstone’ is exactly the same word THEION which means ‘divine.’ Sulphur was sacred to the deity among the ancient Greeks; and was used to fumigate, to purify, and to cleanse and consecrate to the deity; for this purpose they burned it in their incense. In Homer’s Iliad (16:228), one is spoken of as purifying a goblet with fire and brimstone.


The verb derived from THEION is THEIOO, which means to hallow, to make divine, or to dedicate to a god (See Liddell and Scott Greek-English Lexicon, 1897 Edition). To any Greek, or any trained in the Greek language, a ‘lake of fire and brimstone’ would mean a ‘lake of divine purification.’ The idea of judgment need not be excluded. Divine purification and divine consecration are the plain meaning in ancient Greek.

In the ordinary explanation, this fundamental meaning of the word is entirely left out, and nothing but eternal torment is associated with it.”

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When thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
Isaiah 26:9

"Exposing Those Who Contradict"
[link to bible-truths.com]

"For as in Adam ALL die, so also in the Messiah will ALL be made alive."
[link to www.tentmaker.org]
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Re: If christians love the BIBLE so uch why do they ignore most of it to fit an agenday?
Why did you feel the need to make another thread? Was it because I clearly showed that the lake of fire is clearly eternal and clearly biblical?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46179123


The Hebrew and Greek Scriptures had no word that meant, "eternal," "forever," or "everlasting," or any word meaning "endless time."

Thread: ETERNAL PUNISHMENT Is It Really of God?
 Quoting: me777


I don't accept that.

.""…and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.""(2 SAMUEL 7:13)

Strong's Hebrew Lexicon Search Results

Result of search for "forever":

753 'orek o'rek' from 748; length:--+ forever, length, long.
5957 `alam aw-lam' (Aramaic) corresponding to 5769; remote time, i.e. the future or past indefinitely; often adverb, forever:--for ((n-))ever (lasting), old.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46179123


You should research beyond Strong's concordance if you REALLY want to find the truth, or don't search and accept that you don't believe the Scriptures OP posted and 100's of others clearly speaking of a final redemption of ALL in Christ

THE SECOND RESURRECTION

In the introduction to this article it was stated that membership in Christian based religion numbers over two billion people worldwide, or roughly one-third the earth’s population. However, Jesus makes it clear that there will be FEW, not many, who will find that narrow path leading to life. So what happens to the rest?

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.” (Revelation 20:12,15)

“And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet … These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.” (Revelation 19:20)

“And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire.” (Revelation 20:10)

So what is the purpose for the second resurrection? Is this where a loving God brings his rebellious creatures back to life for the purpose of endlessly tormenting them in a literal lake of fire? Absolutely not! Yet I hear the preachers ranting and raving about poor souls being cast into hell fire where ”their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched” and this, we are told, means eternal, unending torment. How foolish, illogical, and deceptive! Such a view contradicts the plain meaning of the term “unquenchable” and its use in the Word of God.

J. Preston Eby in his article The Lake of Fire provides some valuable insight:

More than 2500 years ago the Holy Spirit warned the wicked inhabitants of Jerusalem that God would kindle a fire at Jerusalem’s gates that would devour her palaces.

“But if you will not hearken unto Me … then will I kindle a fire in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem, and it shall not he quenched.” (Jeremiah 17:27)

Didn’t God just say that this fire “shall not be quenched?” This prophecy was fulfilled a few years later and it did destroy all the houses of Jerusalem (see Jeremiah 52:13). But since God said no person or thing would “quench” this fire, did that mean it would burn forever? Or since it accomplished the work it was sent to do, and since it is NOT BURNING TODAY, it obviously went out by itself after accomplishing its purpose!

So we can clearly see that the “fire” serves the very useful purpose of “burning up” all of the things that do not deserve to continue. When God turns on the HEAT, the BLAZING LIGHT OF HIS SPIRIT AND WORD, some things begin to change! The fire is never sent to destroy the PERSON, but is for the purpose of purging out all that hinders and separates him from his God. It will consume the pride, arrogance, hostility, defiance, and rebellion of the flesh, and the carnal mind so that he might then be wooed and drawn by the Holy Spirit unto the Father of Spirits and live.

ADDITIONAL WITNESSES

In His Word, God gives us three keys to use whereby we can unlock the meaning of the Scriptures. By applying these principles of Scriptural interpretation we should be able to see the lake of fire in its true context:

“Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.” (II Peter 1:20)
“In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.” (II Corinthians 1:13)
“Which things also we speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.” (I Corinthians 2:13)
Have you ever wondered why God’s Word is so redundant? Well, in any court of law it is nearly impossible to prove a case where there is no physical evidence, and when there is only one witness testifying against someone else. It is for this very simple reason that God will always confirm His Word in the mouths of two or three witnesses. And we will soon learn that there IS a second witness in one (and ONLY one) other passage of which I am aware in the entirety of the Word of God which speaks of every man’s work being tried and judged in God’s consuming fire.

“Every man’s work shall be made manifest, for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss, but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire.” (I Corinthians 3:13-15)

You may recall how it was earlier noted that the one who goes by the wide road will indeed suffer loss or ruin, BUT HE HIMSELF SHALL BE SAVED!

Origen Adamantius (185-254 AD), one of the early church fathers and the greatest of all Christian apologists and exegetes of his era, was obliged to defend his faith when Celsus, in his True Discourse, objected to Christianity on the ground that it taught punishment by fire. Origen replied that such thoughts had been entertained by certain foolish Christians who were unable to see distinctly the sense of each particular passage, or unwilling to devote the necessary labor to the investigation of Scripture. And perhaps, as it is appropriate to children that some things should be addressed to them in a manner befitting their infantile condition, to convert them, so such ideas as Celsus refers to are taught. But he adds that ”those who require the administration of punishment by fire” experience it “with a view to an end which is suitable for God to bring upon those who have been created in His image.” In reply to the charge of Celsus that Christians teach that God will act the part of a cook in burning men, Origen says, “not like a cook but like a God who is a benefactor of those who stand in need of discipline of fire.” Contra Celsus V. 15, 16.

“For our God IS a consuming fire.” (Hebrews 12:29)

Thus Origen interprets “fire” in the Bible not only as a symbol of the sinner’s suffering but of his purification. The “consuming fire” is a “refiner’s fire.” It consumes the sins, and refines and purifies the sinner. It burns the sinner’s works, “hay, wood and stubble,” that result from wickedness. The torture is real, the purification sure; fire is a symbol of God’s service, certain, but salutary discipline. God’s “wrath” is apparent, not real. There is no passion on His part. What we call wrath is another name for His disciplinary process. God would not tell us to put away anger, wrath (Origen says) and then be guilty Himself of what He prohibits of us. He declares that the punishment which is said to be by fire is understood to be applied with the object of healing. The “eternal fire” is curative.

Charles Pridgeon, in his scholarly work on the subject of BRIMSTONE, says:

“The Lake of Fire and Brimstone signifies a fire burning with brimstone; the word ‘brimstone’ or sulphur defines the character of the fire.

The Greek word THEION translated ‘brimstone’ is exactly the same word THEION which means ‘divine.’ Sulphur was sacred to the deity among the ancient Greeks; and was used to fumigate, to purify, and to cleanse and consecrate to the deity; for this purpose they burned it in their incense. In Homer’s Iliad (16:228), one is spoken of as purifying a goblet with fire and brimstone.


The verb derived from THEION is THEIOO, which means to hallow, to make divine, or to dedicate to a god (See Liddell and Scott Greek-English Lexicon, 1897 Edition). To any Greek, or any trained in the Greek language, a ‘lake of fire and brimstone’ would mean a ‘lake of divine purification.’ The idea of judgment need not be excluded. Divine purification and divine consecration are the plain meaning in ancient Greek.

In the ordinary explanation, this fundamental meaning of the word is entirely left out, and nothing but eternal torment is associated with it.”

More:
[link to hell-fact-or-fable.com]
 Quoting: me777


You should research beyond Strong's concordance if you REALLY want to find the truth, or don't search and accept that you don't believe the Scriptures OP posted and 100's of others clearly speaking of a final redemption of ALL in Christ

Universalism is not biblical.

This verse contradicts it.

Matthew 7:13-14

King James Version (KJV)

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


Also, how do you get around this,

And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Revelation 14:9-11

No rest day or night. Once people are cast into the lake of fire, they can not come out of it.
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The Hebrew and Greek Scriptures had no word that meant, "eternal," "forever," or "everlasting," or any word meaning "endless time."

Thread: ETERNAL PUNISHMENT Is It Really of God?
 Quoting: me777


I don't accept that.

.""…and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.""(2 SAMUEL 7:13)

Strong's Hebrew Lexicon Search Results

Result of search for "forever":

753 'orek o'rek' from 748; length:--+ forever, length, long.
5957 `alam aw-lam' (Aramaic) corresponding to 5769; remote time, i.e. the future or past indefinitely; often adverb, forever:--for ((n-))ever (lasting), old.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46179123


You should research beyond Strong's concordance if you REALLY want to find the truth, or don't search and accept that you don't believe the Scriptures OP posted and 100's of others clearly speaking of a final redemption of ALL in Christ

THE SECOND RESURRECTION

In the introduction to this article it was stated that membership in Christian based religion numbers over two billion people worldwide, or roughly one-third the earth’s population. However, Jesus makes it clear that there will be FEW, not many, who will find that narrow path leading to life. So what happens to the rest?

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.” (Revelation 20:12,15)

“And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet … These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.” (Revelation 19:20)

“And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire.” (Revelation 20:10)

So what is the purpose for the second resurrection? Is this where a loving God brings his rebellious creatures back to life for the purpose of endlessly tormenting them in a literal lake of fire? Absolutely not! Yet I hear the preachers ranting and raving about poor souls being cast into hell fire where ”their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched” and this, we are told, means eternal, unending torment. How foolish, illogical, and deceptive! Such a view contradicts the plain meaning of the term “unquenchable” and its use in the Word of God.

J. Preston Eby in his article The Lake of Fire provides some valuable insight:

More than 2500 years ago the Holy Spirit warned the wicked inhabitants of Jerusalem that God would kindle a fire at Jerusalem’s gates that would devour her palaces.

“But if you will not hearken unto Me … then will I kindle a fire in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem, and it shall not he quenched.” (Jeremiah 17:27)

Didn’t God just say that this fire “shall not be quenched?” This prophecy was fulfilled a few years later and it did destroy all the houses of Jerusalem (see Jeremiah 52:13). But since God said no person or thing would “quench” this fire, did that mean it would burn forever? Or since it accomplished the work it was sent to do, and since it is NOT BURNING TODAY, it obviously went out by itself after accomplishing its purpose!

So we can clearly see that the “fire” serves the very useful purpose of “burning up” all of the things that do not deserve to continue. When God turns on the HEAT, the BLAZING LIGHT OF HIS SPIRIT AND WORD, some things begin to change! The fire is never sent to destroy the PERSON, but is for the purpose of purging out all that hinders and separates him from his God. It will consume the pride, arrogance, hostility, defiance, and rebellion of the flesh, and the carnal mind so that he might then be wooed and drawn by the Holy Spirit unto the Father of Spirits and live.

ADDITIONAL WITNESSES

In His Word, God gives us three keys to use whereby we can unlock the meaning of the Scriptures. By applying these principles of Scriptural interpretation we should be able to see the lake of fire in its true context:

“Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.” (II Peter 1:20)
“In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.” (II Corinthians 1:13)
“Which things also we speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.” (I Corinthians 2:13)
Have you ever wondered why God’s Word is so redundant? Well, in any court of law it is nearly impossible to prove a case where there is no physical evidence, and when there is only one witness testifying against someone else. It is for this very simple reason that God will always confirm His Word in the mouths of two or three witnesses. And we will soon learn that there IS a second witness in one (and ONLY one) other passage of which I am aware in the entirety of the Word of God which speaks of every man’s work being tried and judged in God’s consuming fire.

“Every man’s work shall be made manifest, for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss, but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire.” (I Corinthians 3:13-15)

You may recall how it was earlier noted that the one who goes by the wide road will indeed suffer loss or ruin, BUT HE HIMSELF SHALL BE SAVED!

Origen Adamantius (185-254 AD), one of the early church fathers and the greatest of all Christian apologists and exegetes of his era, was obliged to defend his faith when Celsus, in his True Discourse, objected to Christianity on the ground that it taught punishment by fire. Origen replied that such thoughts had been entertained by certain foolish Christians who were unable to see distinctly the sense of each particular passage, or unwilling to devote the necessary labor to the investigation of Scripture. And perhaps, as it is appropriate to children that some things should be addressed to them in a manner befitting their infantile condition, to convert them, so such ideas as Celsus refers to are taught. But he adds that ”those who require the administration of punishment by fire” experience it “with a view to an end which is suitable for God to bring upon those who have been created in His image.” In reply to the charge of Celsus that Christians teach that God will act the part of a cook in burning men, Origen says, “not like a cook but like a God who is a benefactor of those who stand in need of discipline of fire.” Contra Celsus V. 15, 16.

“For our God IS a consuming fire.” (Hebrews 12:29)

Thus Origen interprets “fire” in the Bible not only as a symbol of the sinner’s suffering but of his purification. The “consuming fire” is a “refiner’s fire.” It consumes the sins, and refines and purifies the sinner. It burns the sinner’s works, “hay, wood and stubble,” that result from wickedness. The torture is real, the purification sure; fire is a symbol of God’s service, certain, but salutary discipline. God’s “wrath” is apparent, not real. There is no passion on His part. What we call wrath is another name for His disciplinary process. God would not tell us to put away anger, wrath (Origen says) and then be guilty Himself of what He prohibits of us. He declares that the punishment which is said to be by fire is understood to be applied with the object of healing. The “eternal fire” is curative.

Charles Pridgeon, in his scholarly work on the subject of BRIMSTONE, says:

“The Lake of Fire and Brimstone signifies a fire burning with brimstone; the word ‘brimstone’ or sulphur defines the character of the fire.

The Greek word THEION translated ‘brimstone’ is exactly the same word THEION which means ‘divine.’ Sulphur was sacred to the deity among the ancient Greeks; and was used to fumigate, to purify, and to cleanse and consecrate to the deity; for this purpose they burned it in their incense. In Homer’s Iliad (16:228), one is spoken of as purifying a goblet with fire and brimstone.


The verb derived from THEION is THEIOO, which means to hallow, to make divine, or to dedicate to a god (See Liddell and Scott Greek-English Lexicon, 1897 Edition). To any Greek, or any trained in the Greek language, a ‘lake of fire and brimstone’ would mean a ‘lake of divine purification.’ The idea of judgment need not be excluded. Divine purification and divine consecration are the plain meaning in ancient Greek.

In the ordinary explanation, this fundamental meaning of the word is entirely left out, and nothing but eternal torment is associated with it.”

More:
[link to hell-fact-or-fable.com]
 Quoting: me777


You should research beyond Strong's concordance if you REALLY want to find the truth, or don't search and accept that you don't believe the Scriptures OP posted and 100's of others clearly speaking of a final redemption of ALL in Christ

Universalism is not biblical.

This verse contradicts it.

Matthew 7:13-14

King James Version (KJV)

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


Also, how do you get around this,

And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Revelation 14:9-11

No rest day or night. Once people are cast into the lake of fire, they can not come out of it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46179123


How does the Church decide just what the lake of fire is, what happens there, why, to whom, and for how long? Remember back about thirty pages where I showed you that the Scriptures in Rev. 20 and 21 do not actually say what happens to a person who is thrown into the lake of fire? It does not say they are burned or tortured. It does not say if they are killed. It does not say how long they are in this fire (there is an indication as to how low the beast, false prophet, and Satan are in this lake of fire, however). So how then does the church decide that those who are thrown into this lake of fire are tortured, in their physical flesh, by real fire, for all eternity?

And NOWHERE does it say that distraction is eternal
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I don't accept that.

.""…and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.""(2 SAMUEL 7:13)

Strong's Hebrew Lexicon Search Results

Result of search for "forever":

753 'orek o'rek' from 748; length:--+ forever, length, long.
5957 `alam aw-lam' (Aramaic) corresponding to 5769; remote time, i.e. the future or past indefinitely; often adverb, forever:--for ((n-))ever (lasting), old.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46179123


You should research beyond Strong's concordance if you REALLY want to find the truth, or don't search and accept that you don't believe the Scriptures OP posted and 100's of others clearly speaking of a final redemption of ALL in Christ

THE SECOND RESURRECTION

In the introduction to this article it was stated that membership in Christian based religion numbers over two billion people worldwide, or roughly one-third the earth’s population. However, Jesus makes it clear that there will be FEW, not many, who will find that narrow path leading to life. So what happens to the rest?

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.” (Revelation 20:12,15)

“And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet … These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.” (Revelation 19:20)

“And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire.” (Revelation 20:10)

So what is the purpose for the second resurrection? Is this where a loving God brings his rebellious creatures back to life for the purpose of endlessly tormenting them in a literal lake of fire? Absolutely not! Yet I hear the preachers ranting and raving about poor souls being cast into hell fire where ”their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched” and this, we are told, means eternal, unending torment. How foolish, illogical, and deceptive! Such a view contradicts the plain meaning of the term “unquenchable” and its use in the Word of God.

J. Preston Eby in his article The Lake of Fire provides some valuable insight:

More than 2500 years ago the Holy Spirit warned the wicked inhabitants of Jerusalem that God would kindle a fire at Jerusalem’s gates that would devour her palaces.

“But if you will not hearken unto Me … then will I kindle a fire in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem, and it shall not he quenched.” (Jeremiah 17:27)

Didn’t God just say that this fire “shall not be quenched?” This prophecy was fulfilled a few years later and it did destroy all the houses of Jerusalem (see Jeremiah 52:13). But since God said no person or thing would “quench” this fire, did that mean it would burn forever? Or since it accomplished the work it was sent to do, and since it is NOT BURNING TODAY, it obviously went out by itself after accomplishing its purpose!

So we can clearly see that the “fire” serves the very useful purpose of “burning up” all of the things that do not deserve to continue. When God turns on the HEAT, the BLAZING LIGHT OF HIS SPIRIT AND WORD, some things begin to change! The fire is never sent to destroy the PERSON, but is for the purpose of purging out all that hinders and separates him from his God. It will consume the pride, arrogance, hostility, defiance, and rebellion of the flesh, and the carnal mind so that he might then be wooed and drawn by the Holy Spirit unto the Father of Spirits and live.

ADDITIONAL WITNESSES

In His Word, God gives us three keys to use whereby we can unlock the meaning of the Scriptures. By applying these principles of Scriptural interpretation we should be able to see the lake of fire in its true context:

“Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.” (II Peter 1:20)
“In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.” (II Corinthians 1:13)
“Which things also we speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.” (I Corinthians 2:13)
Have you ever wondered why God’s Word is so redundant? Well, in any court of law it is nearly impossible to prove a case where there is no physical evidence, and when there is only one witness testifying against someone else. It is for this very simple reason that God will always confirm His Word in the mouths of two or three witnesses. And we will soon learn that there IS a second witness in one (and ONLY one) other passage of which I am aware in the entirety of the Word of God which speaks of every man’s work being tried and judged in God’s consuming fire.

“Every man’s work shall be made manifest, for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss, but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire.” (I Corinthians 3:13-15)

You may recall how it was earlier noted that the one who goes by the wide road will indeed suffer loss or ruin, BUT HE HIMSELF SHALL BE SAVED!

Origen Adamantius (185-254 AD), one of the early church fathers and the greatest of all Christian apologists and exegetes of his era, was obliged to defend his faith when Celsus, in his True Discourse, objected to Christianity on the ground that it taught punishment by fire. Origen replied that such thoughts had been entertained by certain foolish Christians who were unable to see distinctly the sense of each particular passage, or unwilling to devote the necessary labor to the investigation of Scripture. And perhaps, as it is appropriate to children that some things should be addressed to them in a manner befitting their infantile condition, to convert them, so such ideas as Celsus refers to are taught. But he adds that ”those who require the administration of punishment by fire” experience it “with a view to an end which is suitable for God to bring upon those who have been created in His image.” In reply to the charge of Celsus that Christians teach that God will act the part of a cook in burning men, Origen says, “not like a cook but like a God who is a benefactor of those who stand in need of discipline of fire.” Contra Celsus V. 15, 16.

“For our God IS a consuming fire.” (Hebrews 12:29)

Thus Origen interprets “fire” in the Bible not only as a symbol of the sinner’s suffering but of his purification. The “consuming fire” is a “refiner’s fire.” It consumes the sins, and refines and purifies the sinner. It burns the sinner’s works, “hay, wood and stubble,” that result from wickedness. The torture is real, the purification sure; fire is a symbol of God’s service, certain, but salutary discipline. God’s “wrath” is apparent, not real. There is no passion on His part. What we call wrath is another name for His disciplinary process. God would not tell us to put away anger, wrath (Origen says) and then be guilty Himself of what He prohibits of us. He declares that the punishment which is said to be by fire is understood to be applied with the object of healing. The “eternal fire” is curative.

Charles Pridgeon, in his scholarly work on the subject of BRIMSTONE, says:

“The Lake of Fire and Brimstone signifies a fire burning with brimstone; the word ‘brimstone’ or sulphur defines the character of the fire.

The Greek word THEION translated ‘brimstone’ is exactly the same word THEION which means ‘divine.’ Sulphur was sacred to the deity among the ancient Greeks; and was used to fumigate, to purify, and to cleanse and consecrate to the deity; for this purpose they burned it in their incense. In Homer’s Iliad (16:228), one is spoken of as purifying a goblet with fire and brimstone.


The verb derived from THEION is THEIOO, which means to hallow, to make divine, or to dedicate to a god (See Liddell and Scott Greek-English Lexicon, 1897 Edition). To any Greek, or any trained in the Greek language, a ‘lake of fire and brimstone’ would mean a ‘lake of divine purification.’ The idea of judgment need not be excluded. Divine purification and divine consecration are the plain meaning in ancient Greek.

In the ordinary explanation, this fundamental meaning of the word is entirely left out, and nothing but eternal torment is associated with it.”

More:
[link to hell-fact-or-fable.com]
 Quoting: me777


You should research beyond Strong's concordance if you REALLY want to find the truth, or don't search and accept that you don't believe the Scriptures OP posted and 100's of others clearly speaking of a final redemption of ALL in Christ

Universalism is not biblical.

This verse contradicts it.

Matthew 7:13-14

King James Version (KJV)

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


Also, how do you get around this,

And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Revelation 14:9-11

No rest day or night. Once people are cast into the lake of fire, they can not come out of it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46179123


How does the Church decide just what the lake of fire is, what happens there, why, to whom, and for how long? Remember back about thirty pages where I showed you that the Scriptures in Rev. 20 and 21 do not actually say what happens to a person who is thrown into the lake of fire? It does not say they are burned or tortured. It does not say if they are killed. It does not say how long they are in this fire (there is an indication as to how low the beast, false prophet, and Satan are in this lake of fire, however). So how then does the church decide that those who are thrown into this lake of fire are tortured, in their physical flesh, by real fire, for all eternity?

And NOWHERE does it say that distraction is eternal
 Quoting: me777


Actually it does.

And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Revelation 14:11
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You should research beyond Strong's concordance if you REALLY want to find the truth, or don't search and accept that you don't believe the Scriptures OP posted and 100's of others clearly speaking of a final redemption of ALL in Christ

THE SECOND RESURRECTION

In the introduction to this article it was stated that membership in Christian based religion numbers over two billion people worldwide, or roughly one-third the earth’s population. However, Jesus makes it clear that there will be FEW, not many, who will find that narrow path leading to life. So what happens to the rest?

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.” (Revelation 20:12,15)

“And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet … These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.” (Revelation 19:20)

“And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire.” (Revelation 20:10)

So what is the purpose for the second resurrection? Is this where a loving God brings his rebellious creatures back to life for the purpose of endlessly tormenting them in a literal lake of fire? Absolutely not! Yet I hear the preachers ranting and raving about poor souls being cast into hell fire where ”their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched” and this, we are told, means eternal, unending torment. How foolish, illogical, and deceptive! Such a view contradicts the plain meaning of the term “unquenchable” and its use in the Word of God.

J. Preston Eby in his article The Lake of Fire provides some valuable insight:

More than 2500 years ago the Holy Spirit warned the wicked inhabitants of Jerusalem that God would kindle a fire at Jerusalem’s gates that would devour her palaces.

“But if you will not hearken unto Me … then will I kindle a fire in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem, and it shall not he quenched.” (Jeremiah 17:27)

Didn’t God just say that this fire “shall not be quenched?” This prophecy was fulfilled a few years later and it did destroy all the houses of Jerusalem (see Jeremiah 52:13). But since God said no person or thing would “quench” this fire, did that mean it would burn forever? Or since it accomplished the work it was sent to do, and since it is NOT BURNING TODAY, it obviously went out by itself after accomplishing its purpose!

So we can clearly see that the “fire” serves the very useful purpose of “burning up” all of the things that do not deserve to continue. When God turns on the HEAT, the BLAZING LIGHT OF HIS SPIRIT AND WORD, some things begin to change! The fire is never sent to destroy the PERSON, but is for the purpose of purging out all that hinders and separates him from his God. It will consume the pride, arrogance, hostility, defiance, and rebellion of the flesh, and the carnal mind so that he might then be wooed and drawn by the Holy Spirit unto the Father of Spirits and live.

ADDITIONAL WITNESSES

In His Word, God gives us three keys to use whereby we can unlock the meaning of the Scriptures. By applying these principles of Scriptural interpretation we should be able to see the lake of fire in its true context:

“Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.” (II Peter 1:20)
“In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.” (II Corinthians 1:13)
“Which things also we speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.” (I Corinthians 2:13)
Have you ever wondered why God’s Word is so redundant? Well, in any court of law it is nearly impossible to prove a case where there is no physical evidence, and when there is only one witness testifying against someone else. It is for this very simple reason that God will always confirm His Word in the mouths of two or three witnesses. And we will soon learn that there IS a second witness in one (and ONLY one) other passage of which I am aware in the entirety of the Word of God which speaks of every man’s work being tried and judged in God’s consuming fire.

“Every man’s work shall be made manifest, for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss, but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire.” (I Corinthians 3:13-15)

You may recall how it was earlier noted that the one who goes by the wide road will indeed suffer loss or ruin, BUT HE HIMSELF SHALL BE SAVED!

Origen Adamantius (185-254 AD), one of the early church fathers and the greatest of all Christian apologists and exegetes of his era, was obliged to defend his faith when Celsus, in his True Discourse, objected to Christianity on the ground that it taught punishment by fire. Origen replied that such thoughts had been entertained by certain foolish Christians who were unable to see distinctly the sense of each particular passage, or unwilling to devote the necessary labor to the investigation of Scripture. And perhaps, as it is appropriate to children that some things should be addressed to them in a manner befitting their infantile condition, to convert them, so such ideas as Celsus refers to are taught. But he adds that ”those who require the administration of punishment by fire” experience it “with a view to an end which is suitable for God to bring upon those who have been created in His image.” In reply to the charge of Celsus that Christians teach that God will act the part of a cook in burning men, Origen says, “not like a cook but like a God who is a benefactor of those who stand in need of discipline of fire.” Contra Celsus V. 15, 16.

“For our God IS a consuming fire.” (Hebrews 12:29)

Thus Origen interprets “fire” in the Bible not only as a symbol of the sinner’s suffering but of his purification. The “consuming fire” is a “refiner’s fire.” It consumes the sins, and refines and purifies the sinner. It burns the sinner’s works, “hay, wood and stubble,” that result from wickedness. The torture is real, the purification sure; fire is a symbol of God’s service, certain, but salutary discipline. God’s “wrath” is apparent, not real. There is no passion on His part. What we call wrath is another name for His disciplinary process. God would not tell us to put away anger, wrath (Origen says) and then be guilty Himself of what He prohibits of us. He declares that the punishment which is said to be by fire is understood to be applied with the object of healing. The “eternal fire” is curative.

Charles Pridgeon, in his scholarly work on the subject of BRIMSTONE, says:

“The Lake of Fire and Brimstone signifies a fire burning with brimstone; the word ‘brimstone’ or sulphur defines the character of the fire.

The Greek word THEION translated ‘brimstone’ is exactly the same word THEION which means ‘divine.’ Sulphur was sacred to the deity among the ancient Greeks; and was used to fumigate, to purify, and to cleanse and consecrate to the deity; for this purpose they burned it in their incense. In Homer’s Iliad (16:228), one is spoken of as purifying a goblet with fire and brimstone.


The verb derived from THEION is THEIOO, which means to hallow, to make divine, or to dedicate to a god (See Liddell and Scott Greek-English Lexicon, 1897 Edition). To any Greek, or any trained in the Greek language, a ‘lake of fire and brimstone’ would mean a ‘lake of divine purification.’ The idea of judgment need not be excluded. Divine purification and divine consecration are the plain meaning in ancient Greek.

In the ordinary explanation, this fundamental meaning of the word is entirely left out, and nothing but eternal torment is associated with it.”

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 Quoting: me777


You should research beyond Strong's concordance if you REALLY want to find the truth, or don't search and accept that you don't believe the Scriptures OP posted and 100's of others clearly speaking of a final redemption of ALL in Christ

Universalism is not biblical.

This verse contradicts it.

Matthew 7:13-14

King James Version (KJV)

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


Also, how do you get around this,

And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Revelation 14:9-11

No rest day or night. Once people are cast into the lake of fire, they can not come out of it.
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How does the Church decide just what the lake of fire is, what happens there, why, to whom, and for how long? Remember back about thirty pages where I showed you that the Scriptures in Rev. 20 and 21 do not actually say what happens to a person who is thrown into the lake of fire? It does not say they are burned or tortured. It does not say if they are killed. It does not say how long they are in this fire (there is an indication as to how low the beast, false prophet, and Satan are in this lake of fire, however). So how then does the church decide that those who are thrown into this lake of fire are tortured, in their physical flesh, by real fire, for all eternity?

And NOWHERE does it say that distraction is eternal
 Quoting: me777


Actually it does.

And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Revelation 14:11
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Thats why you must do your research and find out where the "Forver and ever" came from.

Im not disputing the lake of fire.

Im am disputing the eternity ofg it.

It was mistranslated..but to realise that you must dig deewper.

But so far it seems you dont want to.

Why?
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You should research beyond Strong's concordance if you REALLY want to find the truth, or don't search and accept that you don't believe the Scriptures OP posted and 100's of others clearly speaking of a final redemption of ALL in Christ

Universalism is not biblical.

This verse contradicts it.

Matthew 7:13-14

King James Version (KJV)

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


Also, how do you get around this,

And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Revelation 14:9-11

No rest day or night. Once people are cast into the lake of fire, they can not come out of it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46179123


How does the Church decide just what the lake of fire is, what happens there, why, to whom, and for how long? Remember back about thirty pages where I showed you that the Scriptures in Rev. 20 and 21 do not actually say what happens to a person who is thrown into the lake of fire? It does not say they are burned or tortured. It does not say if they are killed. It does not say how long they are in this fire (there is an indication as to how low the beast, false prophet, and Satan are in this lake of fire, however). So how then does the church decide that those who are thrown into this lake of fire are tortured, in their physical flesh, by real fire, for all eternity?

And NOWHERE does it say that distraction is eternal
 Quoting: me777


Actually it does.

And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Revelation 14:11
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46179123


Thats why you must do your research and find out where the "Forver and ever" came from.

Im not disputing the lake of fire.

Im am disputing the eternity ofg it.

It was mistranslated..but to realise that you must dig deewper.

But so far it seems you dont want to.

Why?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46254519


Interesting question...

Not only they don't want to research, they call Biblical Universalism Unbiblical, and those of us who actually believe the Scriptures, and believe that Jesus IS The Savior of ALL as it's proclaimed by The WILL of God, are called heretics..

From my post in my other thread:

This is for all the Christians on this thread who called me and others who holds to Universal reconciliation heretics, heathens, satanic, and other words I don't want to repeat:

Augustine, the champion of eternal torment said in his day, "There are very many (imo quam plurimi, which can be translated majority) who though not denying the Holy Scriptures, do not believe in endless torments."

Universal reconciliation was a prevailing doctrine of the Early Church . Even Augustine did not call those early Church Fathers and their followers heretics never mind other names you call us ..

Examine yourselves what spirit you are of...
When thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
Isaiah 26:9

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How does the Church decide just what the lake of fire is, what happens there, why, to whom, and for how long? Remember back about thirty pages where I showed you that the Scriptures in Rev. 20 and 21 do not actually say what happens to a person who is thrown into the lake of fire? It does not say they are burned or tortured. It does not say if they are killed. It does not say how long they are in this fire (there is an indication as to how low the beast, false prophet, and Satan are in this lake of fire, however). So how then does the church decide that those who are thrown into this lake of fire are tortured, in their physical flesh, by real fire, for all eternity?

And NOWHERE does it say that distraction is eternal
 Quoting: me777


Actually it does.

And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Revelation 14:11
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46179123


Thats why you must do your research and find out where the "Forver and ever" came from.

Im not disputing the lake of fire.

Im am disputing the eternity ofg it.

It was mistranslated..but to realise that you must dig deewper.

But so far it seems you dont want to.

Why?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46254519


Interesting question...

Not only they don't want to research, they call Biblical Universalism Unbiblical, and those of us who actually believe the Scriptures, and believe that Jesus IS The Savior of ALL as it's proclaimed by The WILL of God, are called heretics..

From my post in my other thread:

This is for all the Christians on this thread who called me and others who holds to Universal reconciliation heretics, heathens, satanic, and other words I don't want to repeat:

Augustine, the champion of eternal torment said in his day, "There are very many (imo quam plurimi, which can be translated majority) who though not denying the Holy Scriptures, do not believe in endless torments."

Universal reconciliation was a prevailing doctrine of the Early Church . Even Augustine did not call those early Church Fathers and their followers heretics never mind other names you call us ..

Examine yourselves what spirit you are of...
 Quoting: me777


When I first came across that concept I set out with feirce rage and hate (The SAME rage and hate they now use against ME) to debunk it..to slaughter it..to proove it was all a lie.

I went through 4 years of seminary..12 years as a pastor..I KNEW they were wrong.

Turns out..I was wrong.

THEY were right..and all along it was sitting right there in the pages..the TRUTH.

But..just like any other cult..they are taught a certain way..BY men..to beleive a certain thing..BY men..who in turn were taught the same thing...BY men.

The JW's use theis technique too.

I was a JW before I was a christian.

I KNOW how cults operate.

From the frying pan..to the FIRE...to FREEDOM!
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These posts ARE actually becoming repetitive. 1 Lake of fire is the sun, 2 if christians would bother to symbolize the book instead of reading it word for word like a robot, they might learn something. Revelation itself is the timelines end game as well as the Kundalini Keys to heaven. Knowledge through wisdom grants eternal life(book of life is the akashic records) everything else is mans ignorance that his ego tells "has to be" rather than admitting his own acknowledged defeat by others wiser than himself.
The point of the Bible itself is a timeline creation agenda, not a holy book of divine words by a mythical entity. The all powerful god is the consciousness web that culminates all things. Religious terrorist merely use it as a way to inspire fear in the weak minded and control them. I have yet to meet a church that is not based on control and obedience to some degree. Sheep are sheep. However those who can understand the hidden wisdom and see it as the panorama of instruction manual for ascension can grasp it in its true nature and coding rather than using it as a control tool. "HE who has ears should hear and he who has an eye should listen, for the king-dom is at hand, the king-dom of god is within you and all around you, not in temples of wood and stone." Mystery Babalon is the Vatican whore of Man drunken with the blood(wine) of the Saints, "and the whole world shall worship the image of the beast"
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Mat 6:13

And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. G165 Amen.

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Actually it does.

And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Revelation 14:11
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46179123


Thats why you must do your research and find out where the "Forver and ever" came from.

Im not disputing the lake of fire.

Im am disputing the eternity ofg it.

It was mistranslated..but to realise that you must dig deewper.

But so far it seems you dont want to.

Why?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46254519


Interesting question...

Not only they don't want to research, they call Biblical Universalism Unbiblical, and those of us who actually believe the Scriptures, and believe that Jesus IS The Savior of ALL as it's proclaimed by The WILL of God, are called heretics..

From my post in my other thread:

This is for all the Christians on this thread who called me and others who holds to Universal reconciliation heretics, heathens, satanic, and other words I don't want to repeat:

Augustine, the champion of eternal torment said in his day, "There are very many (imo quam plurimi, which can be translated majority) who though not denying the Holy Scriptures, do not believe in endless torments."

Universal reconciliation was a prevailing doctrine of the Early Church . Even Augustine did not call those early Church Fathers and their followers heretics never mind other names you call us ..

Examine yourselves what spirit you are of...
 Quoting: me777


When I first came across that concept I set out with feirce rage and hate (The SAME rage and hate they now use against ME) to debunk it..to slaughter it..to proove it was all a lie.

I went through 4 years of seminary..12 years as a pastor..I KNEW they were wrong.

Turns out..I was wrong.

THEY were right..and all along it was sitting right there in the pages..the TRUTH.

But..just like any other cult..they are taught a certain way..BY men..to beleive a certain thing..BY men..who in turn were taught the same thing...BY men.

The JW's use theis technique too.

I was a JW before I was a christian.

I KNOW how cults operate.

From the frying pan..to the FIRE...to FREEDOM!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46254519


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When thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
Isaiah 26:9

"Exposing Those Who Contradict"
[link to bible-truths.com]

"For as in Adam ALL die, so also in the Messiah will ALL be made alive."
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Mat 6:13

And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. G165 Amen.

Lexicon :: Strong's G165 - aion.
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Strongs is wrong.

But you are too afraid to look into it and how it all came about.

Hell must be so precious to you.

But then..it used to be for me too.

Till I went to those sites you keep avoiding to debunk them..and found I could not.

You scared?

Go on..try those sites..try to pull em apart.

Ill be here waiting.
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Mat 6:13

And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. G165 Amen.

Lexicon :: Strong's G165 - aion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46179123


Strongs is wrong.

But you are too afraid to look into it and how it all came about.

Hell must be so precious to you.

But then..it used to be for me too.

Till I went to those sites you keep avoiding to debunk them..and found I could not.

You scared?

Go on..try those sites..try to pull em apart.

Ill be here waiting.
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There is nothing wrong with strongs. You are only saying this because it contradicts your earlier comments. If you feel you can prove me wrong by using other sites, well then, go right ahead. I will wait. But your argument is very weak and lame.
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Mat 6:13

And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. G165 Amen.

Lexicon :: Strong's G165 - aion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46179123


Strongs is wrong.

But you are too afraid to look into it and how it all came about.

Hell must be so precious to you.

But then..it used to be for me too.

Till I went to those sites you keep avoiding to debunk them..and found I could not.

You scared?

Go on..try those sites..try to pull em apart.

Ill be here waiting.
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You are the one who is making claims that strongs is wrong and the other sites are right so it is on you to prove it or else you are clearly full of shite which I believe you are.
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Mat 6:13

And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. G165 Amen.

Lexicon :: Strong's G165 - aion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46179123


Strongs is wrong.

But you are too afraid to look into it and how it all came about.

Hell must be so precious to you.

But then..it used to be for me too.

Till I went to those sites you keep avoiding to debunk them..and found I could not.

You scared?

Go on..try those sites..try to pull em apart.

Ill be here waiting.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46254519


There is nothing wrong with strongs. You are only saying this because it contradicts your earlier comments. If you feel you can prove me wrong by using other sites, well then, go right ahead. I will wait. But your argument is very weak and lame.
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Three years ago I would have said the same thing.

I went to those sites to debunk them.

I couldnt.

Why dont you give it a shot??

All you have to LOSE is HELL and FEAR...or do you like those concepts too much?
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"The reason why some people will not give up the myth of a Hell of eternal torment is that they would then have to figure out what to do with all the people they hope will go there! Pushing people out of our lives is easier than loving them."
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"The reason why some people will not give up the myth of a Hell of eternal torment is that they would then have to figure out what to do with all the people they hope will go there! Pushing people out of our lives is easier than loving them."
[link to what-the-hell-is-hell.com]

THE SEVEN WONDERS OF HELL
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I just proved from the Greek translations that the lake of fire is eternal. Can you refute me or just link stupid ignorant sites?
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This verse explains that "Sodom" and "Egypt" are not physical places, but are allegories meaning they are spiritual in nature and it refutes the whole of the Gospel accounts of a physical crucifixion of the man Jesus in Jerusalem.

* - "And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the city which is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified."
Revelation 11:8
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"The reason why some people will not give up the myth of a Hell of eternal torment is that they would then have to figure out what to do with all the people they hope will go there! Pushing people out of our lives is easier than loving them."
[link to what-the-hell-is-hell.com]

THE SEVEN WONDERS OF HELL
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You are nothing but a false teacher from Mystery Babylon. A dime a dozen on this site. Woe to you who lead the sheep astray with your lies.
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I just proved my point from the Greek translations. The same word that refers to eternal hellfire is used in regards to God's eternal kingdom. Checkmate. And you are the one making the claim that the other sites are right and my one is wrong so it is on you to prove it or else be exposed as a bullshitter which you so clearly are because if you were speaking the Truth, you would have already proven these things. So much fail from you.





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