A thread for former Christians.

So, you're saying we don't have free will?

OP thank you for posting this thread I am also no longer a christian and after sifting through the replies here I am sickened by those who say they are christian and assault you with their HATE here. I was raised a christian (and there are superb christians out there) but as some of these replies show there are those who are full of evil and think we will all burn forever in hell (and those who feel glad they will not (in thier warped beliefs) anyhow I started going to many churches loooking for answers when in my 20s I even converted to Judaism later on. I believe there is a creator I believe there is evil I believe in spiritual things I also do not feel one religion has all the truth, nor is one group going to have a better afterlife because someone died on a cross and they drink his blood annually (or whenever) For those who want to knock the aliens you need to look into a few WELL KNOWN pieces of artwork from way back with Jesus in it there were alien spaceships placed in some. I am not saying I do or do not believe in Jesus I just Know he was not what the Christian bible makes him out to be. I think He himself would disagree with alot of the way things were twisted (nicean creed) by the rulers or what have you. I do believe in the golden rule, I also believe there are MANY things to learn and by keeping our minds closed to all but one belief system only hinders us and makes for people who feel they are better than other folks.

That's something x-tians will never understand. When you wake up you begin to know instead of believe. The bible tells them straight to their face (but they are too blind to see it), that the Creator is in all things Created. If you cannot find the Creator (God) in the great outdoors, you sure as hell won't find God in some damn man-made building called a church. Here's something else you x-tians should pay attention to:

“Know ye not that ye (the body) are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you (the body)?” 1 Cor. 3:16

The Spirit of God dwells within EVERYONE!!! It matters not if you are x-tian, muslim, jew, atheist, buddist, and on and on and on. Why is that so damn hard for you to understand?

I'm just beginning to read "Antiquity Unveiled" and in it it says that both the Jesus and Paul characters were borrowed from Apollonius of Tyana. He was one of the greatest mystics of the 1st century and was the leader of the Essenes. It is his writings and teachings that have been twisted and distorted in the bible, with deliberate breaks here and there and are filled with spurious interpolations to incorporate statements that Paul never made. The story of Apollonius appears in the works of Philostratus and in "Antiquity Unveiled” and in "The Gospel of Apollonius.”

Exactly!!!

I think we have a winner of that argument!

Thanks beebee! Great contributions to the thread. You have read much more about this than I have. I am flying by the seat of my pants and my gut feelings. I also had a spiritual experience that blew my socks off. It is very hard to put into words and I have a very hard time explaining it. When I try, I cannot convey the wonder of it, so I rarely even try.

I have seen that artwork. Makes you think, doesn't it?
You seem to have spent a lot of your life searching for the truth with an open mind. Reminds me a little of myself. Maybe that is why we were sent here...to forget the truth and then spend our lives trying to find it again.

grammar nazis, they attack because they have learned a certain way it should be.


the same with so called christians.

its a psychological thing. (IMO) the mind thinks something is out of order when it does not match what it has been taught or has previously observed.

it can get quit nasty about it too and that is why so many so called christians can seemingly be the most vile and hateful people around.

its not just grammar nazis and christians.. its anyone who has a mind. this is why it is so wonderful when we finally realize that we have been programed/brainwashed. because from that point we can begin to examine things that we could not before with less prejudice (pre-judgment)

it may be right or it may be wrong but after we realize we have been programed we have more power to determine this for ourselves.

this is why christians seem ignorant (remember I/we were too)

believing ANYTHING is the height of ignorance! I am not bashing anyone here I am trying to help OK

so many zoomed in on the word christians in the title of this thread and that is why they are here. they cant see the forrest for the trees.

Nice post. I agree with all of it, especially the psychological thing. I am kind of a stickler about grammar, but not once have I ever pointed it out to anyone. Who knows, maybe they just had bad teachers. No one is perfect.

Why, because we have no 'PROOF' of NWO, UFOs etc..?????

That's the beauty of the Christianity trap. You simply replace 'PROOF' with the perfect solution. The word FAITH; Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.
So what's the difference if you believe in a flying saucer or a man that could walk on water and raised the dead?

The Bible that you have on your shelf; are you sure you know exactly who wrote all of it, how it was written, assembled and translated? Are you sure it's all there? Are you sure nobody changed it for the 'greater good' of Christianity?

yes, I think the striving for perfection is why the mind has these types of issues.

if we are imperfect we are trying to be (really, really hard in some cases)

and if we were perfect, would we be able to accept that?

maybe the creators creation is indeed perfect as is?

I couldn't help but notice that. Perfect punctuation to boot! I had an excellent grammar teacher and to this day I still repeat to myself - I before E except after C. And then of course there's always those darn exceptions to the rules - or when it says "A" as in weigh and sleigh. And then there's one I learned much, much later in life. When 2 vowels go walking, the first one does the talking, as in "daisy." Man, we could start a new thread with this stuff.

“Not without reason has it pleased Almighty God that Holy Scripture should be a secret in certain places, lest, it were plainly apparent to all men, perchance it would be little esteemed and be subject to disrespect.” Pope Gregory V11

“It is an act of virtue to deceive and lie, when by such means the interest of the church might be promoted.” – Bishop Eusebius (260-339)

Augustine - "I would not believe in the Gospel myself if the authority of the Catholic Church did not influence me to do so." Against the letter of Mani, 5,6, 397 A.D.

"You say we worship the sun; so do you." Early Church Father Tertullian

Don't you find it ironic that Christ even calls you sheep?

The same thing happened to me this year when I had a similar awakening. You can even find my post about it in my history. The game was officially over at that point. The experience was experiential and no longer faith-based, which it had always been previously. Once I started looking into it, because at first I was SHUNNED by my former Christian friends and family, then I realized that I was on the true spiritual path and no longer subject to beliefs that really make no sense to me now. The better path is enlightenment...and I was lucky enough to find it by mere chance at a really complex time of my life. Happened suddenly and abruptly, but was the most profound experience of my life. I have you 5 *'s for the great post. T is almost comical to read the responses any more...especially when I used to be one of the same choir. This is a much better way. The way.

I remember your thread.

I have never been molested by a priest, but I have known that sort of thing goes on, people telling me about it.

why doesn't Jesus strike those people dead? I have seen the power of Jesus, I know he could do it.....if he wanted to.

all I can come up with is that Jesus actually condones it, and is behind it all.

He is the evil force behind the jews, he is Satan, but Satan is very charming, of course.

satan is not a big snarling dog-like creature, with fangs.

He is super charming and super disarming.



When non-jewish Christians get slaughted by the tens of millions, Jesus steps out for a few years, and lets it happen, but seems to protect the jews who cause it.


and also, Jesus ate my sandwich.

How many pages since my post?

The discussion is all about resentment, at least from those honest enough to post why they decided to abandon God's Banner to the world: Christianity...

Only one God in history has had interaction with humanity: YahWeh, Jehovah, Elohim, The Father and HIS SON WHO Became Man.


God ain't doing it your way, eh? "No way God is patriarchal" the broad posts. Except such is The Nature HE Chose to Interact with us. Rubs you the wrong way? You must really have a lot of fun trying to make everything in your realm conform to your requirements.

Resentment. Anger so deep-seated you can't deal with the source on a reasonable basis.

Only ONE REAL and Living God: Father, Son, & Holy Spirit.


The real bitch of the situation is that only The Father Can Deliver you from your self-will and carnal-error. Blaming God for your troubles and disappointments is not only dishonest with yourself it is disingenuous. God didn't Guide you to make the decisions you made that ruined your life and God didn't Guide you to have relationships with others that failed and disappointed. You did all that on your own...

Your really your own worst enemy.

It is pretty plain to see that most Christians in this Laodicean age are making pretenses, not living their lives IN God's Accord. Yet, such circumstance is typical as you would discover were you able to Love God and Trust HIM enough to let HIM Guide your life.

Christianity isn't about being buddies and going to church often, it is about coming to the decision that you can give your life to The Father and taking action to do so.

Jesus Says, "Marvel not that I say unto you, Ye MUST BE Born-Again!" John 3:7

Never were, were you?
So you quit on God and reject what you are unwilling to seek...

But God will NOT give up on you... If you ever Loved Jesus with a True heart, even if only as a child, you will not be lost or condemned...


Pity you can't find it in your heart to Trust HIM and open your heart Unto HIM in earnest & sincere prayer.


As one who has was at his bottom when there was no other option but surrender, I can attest to HIS Reality and the Mercy and Grace HE Will Provide if only we make an effort.

You think you have it us all figured out. How could you possibly know what we have gone through? You haven't lived our lives. You think everything is so damn simple. Well, it's not. People are more complex than you give us credit for. We are not damn robots, we have minds of our own and are led to different paths. You go your way and we will go ours. I am not trying to bring you over to my side. If that does it for you, go for it. Give me the same courtesy.

I remember your thread too. I need to go back and read the whole thing again.

Anyway welcome to this one. Would love to hear more from you.

Well said Zip. Just look at the attitude of the above post. Does it embody Christian love or self righteous snobbery? Lester epitomizes why so many people leave the faith.

Well said Zip. Just look at the attitude of the above post. Does it embody Christian love or self righteous snobbery? Lester epitomizes why so many people leave the faith.

Lester, you make this snobby statement...

"Pity you can't find it in your heart to Trust HIM and open your heart Unto HIM in earnest & sincere prayer."

This is EXACTLY what all of us " formers" have done...and we are EXACTLY where GOD gave us guidance.

The pity is that you aren't spiritually mature enough to accept that truth.

I've been reading the Bible for a few decades and I don't find any of what you are promoting. True there is a hell but it is no bigger deal than taking the 2nd step into the grave. Death itself is the first step and there is no avoiding that reality. The 'extra' step is specifically for sinners on the day of return so if you aren't involved in a war at that time you don't seem to qualify. ....

Are you sure your corrupted view isn't a bit intentional so that you can better fit in with the spiritual crowd that wants to avoid the supernatural beings that are all over the Bible. Once you accept that the old earth version was put there originally you tend to see that the book is 'timeless' and not shy on the details of what is not yet reality.

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The Bible lets you get a lot more specific than that.` The 7 letters in Re:2 and 3 have about 14 relationships that a person can have with God. Which one did Lester break and which ones do you fit into that has God giving you a green light rather than a red one in that is just how it will work on the day the 7th trump sounds.

Sorr, don't believe any of that stuff. Preach elsewhere.

You are not really awake.

You do not have the correct understanding of what love is. We are living in the age of grace and time is just about up.

Thanks, glad to see some kindred spirits here!