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"In the seventh month, on the first day [the 8th of September 2013] of the month, you shall have a sabbath-rest, a memorial[that is, a remembrance] of blowing of trumpets..." [Lev.23:24]

One might be tempted to think that the Day of Remembrance, for the blowing of Trumpets, past uneventfully.

I don't believe it did.

However, we do need to understand this Feast in a new light.

In the Word, Days of remembrance are days on which the Lord imparts His life, or the enemy kills with death.

Hence the widow who's son died, said to Elijah:

"What have I to do with you, O man of God? Have you come to me to bring my sin to remembrance, and to kill my son?" [1Kings 17:18]

And Cornelius was told by the angel:

"'Cornelius, your prayer has been heard, and your alms are remembered in the sight of God." [acts 10:31]

I believe on the 8th of September 2013 we were remembered in the sight of God for speaking the voice of the Lord.

"I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, saying, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last..." [Rev.1:10,11]

We speak the voice of the Lord when we are instructing, edifying and encouraging one another.

This is why the Prophet Jeremiah said to Zedekiah, the king:

"...obey the voice of the Lord which I speak to you. So it may be well with you, and your soul shall live." [Jer.38:20]

We are driven to do this because we love the Lord and want to grow up to be like Him.

"speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ" [Eph.4:15]

I believe on the 8th of September 2013, the Lord sounded the 1st Trumpet and we were glorified to a degree!

This means we have received a measure of life, but it's not enough to fully translate or fully glorify our bodies.

This implies the Lord must sound the Trumpet again!

For even the body of the Lord didn't get fully glorified at once, it happened in stages or in degrees.

This is why the Lord prayed:

Father, glorify Your name [that is, your body]."

Then a voice came from heaven, saying, "I have both glorified it and will glorify it again."[John 12:28]

I believe the Lord sounded the 2nd Trumpet on the Day of Atonement, which falls on the 16th/17th of September 2013.

[link to www.torahcalendar.com]

On that day our bodies will be glorified again!

On the Day of Atonement the Lord remembers us for our self-denial.

This is what fasting on this Day represents.

For in order to bring forth the righteousness of God we have to deny unrighteousness in our flesh.

"He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He [God] is righteous." [1 John 3:7]

"Also the tenth Day of this seventh Month shall be the Day of Atonement. It shall be a holy convocation for you; you shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire to the Lord." [Lev.23:27]

The Lord's life in us is the flame of love that burns before Him as offerings and sacrifices!

These offerings and sacrifices are what the Lord sees as we practice His righteousness.

Because we practice His righteousness within evil flesh, we are actually afflicting our evil flesh.

We are in effect "afflicting our souls"

We are all responsible for denying wickedness and evil from manifesting in our flesh in order to allow the righteousness of God to be evident in our lives.

This is why the Lord said:

"If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me. For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will save it. For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and is himself destroyed or lost?" [Luke 9:23-25]

Even though the glory in our bodies would have increased further, after the sounding of the second Trumpet on the Day of Atonement, our bodies will still be mortal.

The 3rd and Last Trumpet will sound, I believe, on the 5th/6th of October 2013 - the fourteenth Day of the Feast of Tabernacles! [1King 8:65]

[link to www.timeanddate.com]

I believe the great number of saints that are going to receive glorified bodies has caused the Lord to extends this feast from a seven day feast to a fourteenth day feast.

"You shall observe the Feast of Tabernacles seven days, when you have gathered from your threshing floor and from your winepress. And you shall rejoice in your feast..." [Deut.16:13,14]

"At that time Solomon held a feast, and all Israel with him, a great assembly ...before the Lord our God, seven days and seven more days—fourteen days.[1King 8:65]

Let's make know mistake about it, we are at war! And our enemies are our own bodies of death, which are constantly waging a war to dominate and control our inward man.

I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord! [Rom.7:22-25]

I believe the Lord has begun to sound the trumpets for our deliverance!

Two Trumpets have already sounded. One Trumpet is still yet to sound.

"When you go to war in your land against the enemy who oppresses you, then you shall sound an alarm with the trumpets, and you will be remembered before the Lord your God, and you will be saved from your enemies..." [Num.10:9,10]
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useless post. no one is going to read that. if getting people saved is your goal then try actually engaging people not just copy and pasting novels of drivel
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Okay, look.

THERE IS NO PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE! Got it??

Yahusha returns at the LAST TRUMPET, which happens "after the tribulation..." according to Matthew 24.

Quit trying to force your personal desires into the plain meaning of Scripture.

The church will be tested, tried and persecuted before the Great and Terrible of the Lord.
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UK midlands area just heard 2 explosions
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This nonsense is rupturing my eardrums
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useless post. no one is going to read that. if getting people saved is your goal then try actually engaging people not just copy and pasting novels of drivel
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TOTAlly was read!
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"In the seventh month, on the first day [the 8th of September 2013] of the month, you shall have a sabbath-rest, a memorial[that is, a remembrance] of blowing of trumpets..." [Lev.23:24]

One might be tempted to think that the Day of Remembrance, for the blowing of Trumpets, past uneventfully.

I don't believe it did.

However, we do need to understand this Feast in a new light.

In the Word, Days of remembrance are days on which the Lord imparts His life, or the enemy kills with death.

Hence the widow who's son died, said to Elijah:

"What have I to do with you, O man of God? Have you come to me to bring my sin to remembrance, and to kill my son?" [1Kings 17:18]

And Cornelius was told by the angel:

"'Cornelius, your prayer has been heard, and your alms are remembered in the sight of God." [acts 10:31]

I believe on the 8th of September 2013 we were remembered in the sight of God for speaking the voice of the Lord.

"I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, saying, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last..." [Rev.1:10,11]

We speak the voice of the Lord when we are instructing, edifying and encouraging one another.

This is why the Prophet Jeremiah said to Zedekiah, the king:

"...obey the voice of the Lord which I speak to you. So it may be well with you, and your soul shall live." [Jer.38:20]

We are driven to do this because we love the Lord and want to grow up to be like Him.

"speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ" [Eph.4:15]

I believe on the 8th of September 2013, the Lord sounded the first Trumpet and we were glorified to a degree!

This means we have received a measure of life, but it's not enough to fully translate or fully glorify our bodies.

This implies the Lord must sound the Trumpet again!

For even the body of the Lord didn't get fully glorified at once, it happened in stages or in degrees.

This is why the Lord prayed:

Father, glorify Your name [that is, your body]."

Then a voice came from heaven, saying, "I have both glorified it and will glorify it again."[John 12:28]

I believe the Lord will sound the Trumpet a second time on the Day of Atonement, which falls on the 16th/17th of September 2013.

[link to www.torahcalendar.com]

On that day our bodies will be glorified again!

On the Day of Atonement the Lord remembers us for our self-denial.

This is what fasting on this Day represents.

For in order to bring forth the righteousness of God we have to deny unrighteousness in our flesh.

"He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He [God] is righteous." [1 John 3:7]

"Also the tenth Day of this seventh Month shall be the Day of Atonement. It shall be a holy convocation for you; you shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire to the Lord." [Lev.23:27]

The Lord's life in us is the flame of love that burns before Him as offerings and sacrifices!

These offerings and sacrifices are what the Lord sees as we practice His righteousness.

Because we practice His righteousness within evil flesh, we are actually afflicting our evil flesh.

We are in effect "afflicting our souls"

We are all responsible for denying wickedness and evil from manifesting in our flesh in order to allow the righteousness of God to be evident in our lives.

This is why the Lord said:

"If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me. For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will save it. For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and is himself destroyed or lost?" [Luke 9:23-25]

Even though the glory in our bodies would have increased further, after the sounding of the second Trumpet on the Day of Atonement, our bodies will still be mortal.

Which means a Trumpet must sound again for the third and last time!

This, I believe, will be on the 21st/22nd of September 2013 - the 1st Day of the Feast of Tabernacles!

"...We shall not all sleep [die], but we shall all be changed—in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."[1Cor.15:51]

Paul appears to be making a hidden reference for the last trumpet sounding on the day we complete doing the work of God - that day is the 15th of Tishri!

For he said:

"Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.[1Cor.15:58]

"You shall keep...the Feast of In-gathering at the end of the year when you have gathered in the fruit of your labours from the field." [Exod. 23:15,16]

"The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the Feast of Tabernacles for seven days to the Lord." [Lev.23:34]

"You shall observe the Feast of Tabernacles seven days, when you have gathered from your threshing floor and from your winepress. And you shall rejoice in your feast..." [Deut.16:13,14]

Let's make know mistake about it, we are at war! And our enemies are our own bodies of death, which are constantly waging a war to dominate and control our inward man.

I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord! [Rom.7:22-25]

I believe the Lord has begun to sound the trumpets for our deliverance!

One Trumpet has already sounded. Two Trumpets are still yet to sound.

"When you go to war in your land against the enemy who oppresses you, then you shall sound an alarm with the trumpets, and you will be remembered before the Lord your God, and you will be saved from your enemies..." [Num.10:9,10]
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OH! That this be So If Not I Still praise God through it all!
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Okay, look.

THERE IS NO PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE! Got it??

Yahusha returns at the LAST TRUMPET, which happens "after the tribulation..." according to Matthew 24.

Quit trying to force your personal desires into the plain meaning of Scripture.

The church will be tested, tried and persecuted before the Great and Terrible of the Lord.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 682255


WRONG! God said ;" My children ARE NOT appointed unto wrath!!!
If that doesn't sum it up.. I don't know what does! But hey..if YOU want to stay and go through the Tribulation , that's fine with me. I don't plan in being here though. Jesus said he is coming for those that ARE LOOKING for his coming.
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Okay, look.

THERE IS NO PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE! Got it??

Yahusha returns at the LAST TRUMPET, which happens "after the tribulation..." according to Matthew 24.

Quit trying to force your personal desires into the plain meaning of Scripture.

The church will be tested, tried and persecuted before the Great and Terrible of the Lord.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 682255


WRONG! God said ;" My children ARE NOT appointed unto wrath!!!
If that doesn't sum it up.. I don't know what does! But hey..if YOU want to stay and go through the Tribulation , that's fine with me. I don't plan in being here though. Jesus said he is coming for those that ARE LOOKING for his coming.
 Quoting: Little Miss Sunshine


Well said!hf
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While Christ opens all 7 Seals of Revelation......the first 5 Seals are Satan's wrath.

6th Seal (transition): worldwide darkness for an unspecified period of time; the elites of the world hide in fear in caves and declare that God's wrath is about the begin.


The 144,000 of Israel are then sealed from harm. They will remain on earth.

The Gentile Christians are caught up by angels to be with the Lord..........just prior to God's wrath


7th Seal: God's wrath; the trumpet and bowl judgments; comprising the final one to two years of Daniel's 70th week.




Seals 1 and 2: very general in nature and difficult to identify; these could have been broken a long time ago.


3rd Seal: has not taken place yet; a day's wages for a loaf of bread on a worldwide basis.


4th Seal: suggests approx. 25% of the world's population will perish.


5th Seal: persecution by the man of evil, false prophet, and their followers. They will first try to exterminate the Jews. God will preserve a remnant in the wilderness. They will then go after the "offspring",,,,,,the Gentile believers in Christ.


This persecution begins at the midpoint of Daniel's 70th week when the abomination of desolation is set up in Jerusalem. It will go on for several years until God cuts it short (ends it).......otherwise no flesh would be saved.
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He is our hiding place.
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STFU, Rapturetard.
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Okay, look.

THERE IS NO PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE! Got it??

Yahusha returns at the LAST TRUMPET, which happens "after the tribulation..." according to Matthew 24.

Quit trying to force your personal desires into the plain meaning of Scripture.

The church will be tested, tried and persecuted before the Great and Terrible of the Lord.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 682255


WRONG! God said ;" My children ARE NOT appointed unto wrath!!!
If that doesn't sum it up.. I don't know what does! But hey..if YOU want to stay and go through the Tribulation , that's fine with me. I don't plan in being here though. Jesus said he is coming for those that ARE LOOKING for his coming.
 Quoting: Little Miss Sunshine


Well said!hf
 Quoting: INTHELORDSNAME


Wrath and tribulation are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

"tribulation" strongs#2346 a pressing, pressing together, pressure
metaph. oppression, affliction, tribulation, distress, straits

This is not wrath which is destruction for rejecting the covenant (study this if you haven't).

Matt 24:18 "WHOEVER is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak. 19 "But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days ! 20 "But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath. 21 "For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. 22 "Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved ; but for the sake OF THE ELECT those days will be cut short.

It says WHOEVER, it doesn't say those who are "left behind", and it says "for the sake of the ELECT", who is in the "elect" category, they are going through the tribulation, but NOT the WRATH.

There has been tribulation, trials, persecution since Yeshua came. It is going on NOW around the world to parts of His Body as well. Do you think you are any more special to get a "free ticket" out of it? He says we WILL have trials and tribulations. These things bring about the purifying -

Rom 8:35 "35 Who will separate us from the love of Christ ? Will TRIBULATION, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword ?

Romans 4:3 "And not only this, but we also exult in our TRUBULATIONS, knowing that TRIBULATION brings about perseverance ; 4 and perseverance, proven character ; and proven character, hope ; 5 and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

I used to believe in the "rapture" UNTIL I started actually reading my Bible - front to end, every day a portion, for over 15 years. THEN I begin to see what it TRULY says, about a LOT of things that are misunderstood, taught wrongly etc. At that same time I began to inductively study it, and that is when I saw the Truth in the Word. It is there for anyone that desires to know it and willing to lay down their own "truth" on the altar as a living sacrifice for His Truth.

If you don't take time and effort or have the desire to "seek Him where He may be found", and to find out what He is SAYING TO YOU, then what kind of RELATIONSHIP do you have with HIM? You like to spout "I have arrived" and look down upon others instead of "feeding His sheep" as He commands us to do - feeding them physically AND with SPIRITUAL FOOD - the WORD. Yet you can't because you haven't even taken the time to READ it even ONCE all the way through, or study it daily with prayer. You can't feed His sheep because you need feeding and don't know what is FOOD!!! You do not even know HOW and WHY YHVH works because you haven't studied the place where HE tells you. You misrepresent Him daily because of this.

Going through tribulations, now and the great tribulation then (if you are blessed to still be alive at that time)will take FAITH, KNOWLEDGE, WISDOM, EXPERIENCE and LOTS OF IT. Faith is something you build upon and is strengthened. The Word tells us that we have "inherited lies", and we have, what we have been told as "truth" isn't the same Truth in His Word. It is a cheap fraud. Get ready for what will come, read and study His Word daily, front to back, not just the gospels, the supposed "new" stuff at the end. It is ONE Word, all of it has purpose in our lives today because of COVENANT (that which you supposedly "stand" on for your salvation.

There is only ONE covenant, it is renewed from generation to generation, person to person who takes hold of it, and He will fulfill the final promises of that covenant to those who as Revelation 12:17 says: "the rest of her children, WHO KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS of God AND hold to the TESTIMONY OF YESHUA."

He has come and is returning according to the terms of that Covenant and the Feasts - His spiritual prophetic calendar. He give us the warning and His People will not be taken unawares as to when it will happen - which is according to the timing of His CALENDAR. It is there take the time to do the study and reading yourself.
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God's wrath is very distinct and cannot be duplicated by either satan or man.

It is very important to identify precisely where satan's wrath ends and God's wrath begins.


Satan's wrath has been going on a long time....since the time of Christ and even now in various places in the world. America has been comparitively safe for a time only because of the laws currently in effect. But people in other parts of the world are losing their lives because of their faith in Christ.


The 144,000 of Israel are not sealed from harm prior to the FIRST SEAL.........but just prior to the 7th SEAL.


Then a large group from all the nations shows up in heaven. These are not spirits as they can wear robes and can hold palm branches in their hands.


7th SEAL.......God's wrath; very distinct; cannot be duplicated by satan or man.


The 7th Seal trumpet and bowl judgments comprise the final one to two years of Daniel's 70th week.
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Okay, look.

THERE IS NO PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE! Got it??

Yahusha returns at the LAST TRUMPET, which happens "after the tribulation..." according to Matthew 24.

Quit trying to force your personal desires into the plain meaning of Scripture.

The church will be tested, tried and persecuted before the Great and Terrible of the Lord.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 682255


For that matter, there is no rapture in a physical sense, period. The rapture happens in your Spirit and in your mind. When you sufficiently die to self, go through your personal tribulation period, become gold tried in the fire, then you will be caught up in the heaven-lies(highest place of elevation in you which is your mind)with Christ Jesus. it is not a world wide event. But it is a world wide event inside of your world(entire self/being). it happens on an individual basis, but the time is ripe and it is the appointed age for all of this to occur inside of people today. When interpreting scripture, THINK SPIRIT, for God is a SPIRIT and those who worship Him must do so in SPIRIT and in TRUTH(Word of God).
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The seals are being opened inside of people's spirits even as we speak. You can almost hear them popping and the physical earth is reacting also as it must. There are earthquakes shaking inside of people, awakening them to the truth.
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the palm branch is SYMBOLIC of the open hand, open palm which stands for the five fold ministry that God has placed in our hands. When waving the palm, you are saying that you worship God in ALL of the ministry that He has placed inside each and every one of us. pastor, teacher, evangelist, apostle, prophet.
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hey....pssst...Daniels days (1260/1290/1335) all begin on the same day...do the math...do u get it yet...? drama the great trib . is about commence...pre-tribbers are in for a big surprise
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Okay, look.

THERE IS NO PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE! Got it??

Yahusha returns at the LAST TRUMPET, which happens "after the tribulation..." according to Matthew 24.

Quit trying to force your personal desires into the plain meaning of Scripture.

The church will be tested, tried and persecuted before the Great and Terrible of the Lord.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 682255


WRONG! God said ;" My children ARE NOT appointed unto wrath!!!
If that doesn't sum it up.. I don't know what does! But hey..if YOU want to stay and go through the Tribulation , that's fine with me. I don't plan in being here though. Jesus said he is coming for those that ARE LOOKING for his coming.
 Quoting: Little Miss Sunshine


Well said!hf
 Quoting: INTHELORDSNAME


Wrath and tribulation are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

"tribulation" strongs#2346 a pressing, pressing together, pressure
metaph. oppression, affliction, tribulation, distress, straits

This is not wrath which is destruction for rejecting the covenant (study this if you haven't).

Matt 24:18 "WHOEVER is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak. 19 "But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days ! 20 "But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath. 21 "For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. 22 "Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved ; but for the sake OF THE ELECT those days will be cut short.

It says WHOEVER, it doesn't say those who are "left behind", and it says "for the sake of the ELECT", who is in the "elect" category, they are going through the tribulation, but NOT the WRATH.

There has been tribulation, trials, persecution since Yeshua came. It is going on NOW around the world to parts of His Body as well. Do you think you are any more special to get a "free ticket" out of it? He says we WILL have trials and tribulations. These things bring about the purifying -

Rom 8:35 "35 Who will separate us from the love of Christ ? Will TRIBULATION, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword ?

Romans 4:3 "And not only this, but we also exult in our TRUBULATIONS, knowing that TRIBULATION brings about perseverance ; 4 and perseverance, proven character ; and proven character, hope ; 5 and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

I used to believe in the "rapture" UNTIL I started actually reading my Bible - front to end, every day a portion, for over 15 years. THEN I begin to see what it TRULY says, about a LOT of things that are misunderstood, taught wrongly etc. At that same time I began to inductively study it, and that is when I saw the Truth in the Word. It is there for anyone that desires to know it and willing to lay down their own "truth" on the altar as a living sacrifice for His Truth.

If you don't take time and effort or have the desire to "seek Him where He may be found", and to find out what He is SAYING TO YOU, then what kind of RELATIONSHIP do you have with HIM? You like to spout "I have arrived" and look down upon others instead of "feeding His sheep" as He commands us to do - feeding them physically AND with SPIRITUAL FOOD - the WORD. Yet you can't because you haven't even taken the time to READ it even ONCE all the way through, or study it daily with prayer. You can't feed His sheep because you need feeding and don't know what is FOOD!!! You do not even know HOW and WHY YHVH works because you haven't studied the place where HE tells you. You misrepresent Him daily because of this.

Going through tribulations, now and the great tribulation then (if you are blessed to still be alive at that time)will take FAITH, KNOWLEDGE, WISDOM, EXPERIENCE and LOTS OF IT. Faith is something you build upon and is strengthened. The Word tells us that we have "inherited lies", and we have, what we have been told as "truth" isn't the same Truth in His Word. It is a cheap fraud. Get ready for what will come, read and study His Word daily, front to back, not just the gospels, the supposed "new" stuff at the end. It is ONE Word, all of it has purpose in our lives today because of COVENANT (that which you supposedly "stand" on for your salvation.

There is only ONE covenant, it is renewed from generation to generation, person to person who takes hold of it, and He will fulfill the final promises of that covenant to those who as Revelation 12:17 says: "the rest of her children, WHO KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS of God AND hold to the TESTIMONY OF YESHUA."

He has come and is returning according to the terms of that Covenant and the Feasts - His spiritual prophetic calendar. He give us the warning and His People will not be taken unawares as to when it will happen - which is according to the timing of His CALENDAR. It is there take the time to do the study and reading yourself.
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"These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have PEACE. In the world you will have TRIBULATION; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.” [John 16:33]

We have the peace of God when our lives are producing the righteousness of God. The World fights against this with a passion.

Hence many succumb and practise unrighteousness, which is soul destroying and makes a person unfit to be a citizen of God's heavenly kingdom.

In these Last Days the war on a life of righteousness is intense!

Only those who are filled with the Holy Spirit and are keeping the Lord's commandments will overcome and escape the wrath of God.

The wrath of God is God's judgement on a world that has chosen to live in wickedness and unrighteousness.

It will ONLY happen when the Lord removes from the earth all those that have been obeying Him!

"...the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ." [2 Thess.1:7,8]

What many fail to realise is that this planet belongs to the Lord Jesus Christ. And if you want to live on it, you must live in accordance with His Laws. Failure to do this means death.

The Apostate Church, for Years, have been falsely representing the Lord as someone who is weak, for there own selfish ends!

They know that if they preached against unrighteousness, there Churches would be empty.

That's why a life of righteousness is not preached in the pulpit.

That's why we have Churches filled with fornicators, adulterers, homosexuals and those that practise cruelty and wickedness!

This is why God's wrath on all those who claim to be Christian and in practise are not, is going to severe.
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There is no rapture. It's not even mentioned in the fairytale manuscript known as the bible.





There is no heaven, there is no hell. You're all on your own, sunshine.
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The parable of the wheat and the tares -

Matt 13:24 Jesus presented another parable to them, saying, "The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25 "But while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went away. 26 "But when the wheat sprouted and bore grain, then the tares became evident also. 27 "The slaves of the landowner came and said to him, 'Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field ? How then does it have tares ?' 28 "And he said to them, 'An enemy has done this !' The slaves said to him, 'Do you want us, then, to go and gather them up?' 29 "But he said, 'No ; for while you are gathering up the tares, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30 'Allow both to grow together until the harvest ; and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat into my barn."' "

The tares are TAKEN FIRST - at the HARVEST, when He Returns, not before. The wheat is THEN gathered into His barn. Those that are taken out FIRST are the tares, there is no way to misinterpret this verse, it is clear. The wheat (righteous) and the tares (unrighteous) grow TOGETHER until He comes to HARVEST. The tares are pulled up and burned. If you think you are the ones who are being taken up in this parable, then you are a TARE - unrighteous and will be burned, NOT taken into His barn. Yeshua tells us that right here that there is no "rapture" as it has been taught. We "inherit" the earth, the evil do not, they are cast away.

Matt 24:42 "Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming. 43 "But be sure of this, that if the head of the house had known at what time of the night the thief was coming, he would have been on the alert and would not have allowed his house to be broken into. 44 "For this reason you also must be ready ; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think He will. 45 "Who then is the faithful and sensible slave whom his master put in charge of his household to give them their food at the proper time ? 46 "Blessed is that slave whom his master finds so doing when he comes. 47 "Truly I say to you that he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 "But if that evil slave says in his heart, 'My master is not coming for a long time,' 49 and begins to beat his fellow slaves and eat and drink with drunkards ; 50 the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour which he does not know, 51 and will cut him in pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites ; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."


Yeshua is telling us that we can know the time of His coming - just like if we KNEW WHEN the thief was coming we would TAKE PRECAUTIONS to NOT let him break in. He is telling us to TAKE PRECAUTIONS and get right with Him and obey Him. The evil slave doesn't know when He is returning because he is busy with his own pleasures and doesn't see.

Matt 24:29 "But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 "And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory. 31 "And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

This one is clear as to the timing also, He tells us that it will not be until AFTER the tribulation that He will GATHER His elect.

Luke 17:30 "It will be just the same on the day that the Son of Man is revealed. 31 "On that day, the one who is on the housetop and whose goods are in the house must not go down to take them out; and likewise the one who is in the field must not turn back . 32 "Remember Lot's wife. 33 "Whoever seeks to keep his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. 34 "I tell you, on that night there will be two in one bed ; one will be taken and the other will be left. 35 "There will be two women grinding at the same place; one will be taken and the other will be left. 36 ["Two men will be in the field ; one will be taken and the other will be left."] 37 And answering they said to Him, "Where, Lord ?" And He said to them, "Where the body is, there also the vultures will be gathered."

This is the same language as the other parable, those TAKEN are sent to the place of "gnashing of teeth and wailing" - the evil are taken there, not the righteous.

The Word say He has ONE Bride, not two, how could he come for 1/2 His Bride and take 1/2 of His Bride to the marriage supper and leave the 1/2 half to face the tribulation?????? Scripture doesn't bear witness to this. He will return and fulfill the Fall Feasts - His Return, just like He did on the Spring Feasts - His death, burial and resurrection, Shavuot - His Spirit. It is about covenant, learn about what it is, how it is cut, how it works.

YHVH is a covenant God. He KEEPS HIS PROMISES, those promises that He made in the COVENANT. That is the basis for your security in salvation. Covenant is a life and death binding, eternal CONTRACT/VOW/OATH - made by YHVH Himself. If it was "dispensationalism" as is taught today to be rid of the Torah, then no one would be sure if YHVH would CHANGE HIS MIND and "dispense" (deal with different people, in different ways, in different times, and for different purposes, with different promises etc.) your salvation differently or add/take away the requirements for it.

But by YHVH cutting the covenant (only one and it is the same one), He is committing Himself to the terms - and He sent His Son to "sign" it in His BLOOD (life and death). He deals with His creation according to the terms of that covenant - the Torah - for all people, all times, in all places - and those terms NEVER CHANGE. So you can have ASSURANCE in those promises (salvation). It is all there, read and study it for yourself.
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The parable of the wheat and the tares -



The tares are TAKEN FIRST - at the HARVEST, when He Returns, not before. The wheat is THEN gathered into His barn. Those that are taken out FIRST are the tares, there is no way to misinterpret this verse, it is clear. The wheat (righteous) and the tares (unrighteous) grow TOGETHER until He comes to HARVEST. The tares are pulled up and burned. If you think you are the ones who are being taken up in this parable, then you are a TARE - unrighteous and will be burned, NOT taken into His barn. Yeshua tells us that right here that there is no "rapture" as it has been taught. We "inherit" the earth, the evil do not, they are cast away.


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I use the NKJV and this is what it says:

“First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.”[Matt.13:30]

What you have in the above verse is two groups of people being processed for Judgement AT THE SAME TIME.

The tares are all those in the Church who are unrighteous. While the wheat are all those in the Church who are righteous.

The reason why tares [the unrighteous] are said to be gathered FIRST is because the righteous only begin to separate themselves from the unrighteous when it becomes more apparent that the Church they've been attending no longer preaches the gospel of righteousness

Today the tares gather in Churches of ALL denominations and preach false doctrines that doesn't actually save their congregations from living in sin.

For hatred, cruelty, revenge, fornication, adultery and homosexuality is rampant amongst them.

Pastors, in such Churches a more concerned with the acquisition of power and wealth than the conduct of their congregations.

They don't realise they're being "bundled together for judgement.

Then you have the righteous.

Some worship the Lord alone at home, and others gather in homes and worship in small groups.

Many of the righteous left the mainstream Church to seek God on their own.

This group are also being gathered for Judgement!

Both gatherings of the tares and wheat occur BEFORE the Day of the Rapture.

On the day of the Rapture, millions of the unrighteous will die and perish from around the world, as the righteous ascend up into heaven.

I personally believe for every one person that is raptured, one soul will perish!
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There is still time to escape the wrath of God that is about to be poured out on earth.

A person must repent, and make a commitment to be a follower of Jesus Christ.

Anyone who is serious about making this commitment should say the following prayer with their own mouth:

Lord Jesus I acknowledge you as my Lord and God.

I believe you have the power to save me from a life of sin.

I repent from living a wicked and evil life.

Help me to live a life that glorifies you.

Fill me with love for all the people in my life and help me to do good things to them always.

I thank you for your Holy Spirit now dwelling in me.

Help me to read your Word every day in order to learn how to live a life that pleases you.

Thank you Lord. Amen.
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useless post. no one is going to read that. if getting people saved is your goal then try actually engaging people not just copy and pasting novels of drivel
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[the 8th of September 2013]

That date would be wrong if they got the date of Passover wrong this year. I'm pretty sure it is the first full moon after the first new moon after the winter/summer solstice rather than it being the first full moon after that yearly event, this should have been a year with a leap month in it.
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Anyone who is serious about making this commitment should say the following prayer with their own mouth:

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Is that how Saul was chosen? He got an advance copy of the Gospel that has the Lord's Prayer in it and was going along and whispering while he read it and at the Amen that is when the light thing happened.

De:4:30 would include the Church today, back when Daniel did it it would have worked for Daniel but not for Neb.
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