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Message Subject For christians:The scriptural PROOF that the Rapture is AFTER the tribulation. NO "Basis" here..PROOF!
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The tribulation is a two part event. The first 1260 days involve the opening of the six seals. The opening of the seventh seal marks the "Great Tribulation" which the two witnesses prophesy in sackcloth for 1260 days. The rapture is a midtribulation event. Some of you people need to go take a reading comprehension course or just quit making stuff up when you can't find the answers in the bible. The bible is quite clear about how and when it will occur.

There is nothing biblical to support the pretribulation rapture. The answer is in Revelation 6 and 7. We also know Paul says we will escape the coming wrath. The sixth seal is opened and the inhabitants of the world say the following from biblegateway.com Revelation 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? The Great Tribulation, the last 1260 days starts.


Revelation 7:9After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

The key words "these are they which came out of the great tribulation". There is chronological order here. The seventh seal is about to open and the seven trumpets haven't even started. This event is different from the the change in a twinkling of an eye at the seventh trumpet.

Matthew 24:22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Note flesh is saved.
1Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. The first is a flesh body and the second is a spiritual.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. This is a transformation to the incorruptible spirit.
So we have flesh saved because of the elect's sake. Various nations of the earth are brought as a multitude before the throne. They are not yet in the Kingdom of God. This is the rapture. Then in 52 we see the group changed to incorruptible spirits in a twinkling of an eye at the last trumpet.
Also look at the passage Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. What just happened? The nations that stood before the throne became the nations of God. When that happens the spiritual bodies can be made.

There are a couple of things that tell you the season of the rapture and the fact that it is consistent with multitude being taken out of the great tribulation in Revelation 6. The background is a little complex, but it involves the fig tree being the forbidden fruit.

I am going to show two examples to support this, there is much more, but I will not post it unless someone is interested in seeing what I have found.

Mark 11: 12 And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry:
13 And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet.
14 And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it. He rode into Jerusalem as the new King. He went back to the beginning and turned over the money tables to show the destruction of the root of evil which is love of money and what better place to do it than in the temple. The root for evil would be on the tree of knowledge; so, the next morning he finds no fruit on the fig tree, curses it and tells you not to eat from it ever again. Sound like what God said to Adam and Eve?
Mark 13:28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near: The tree will not bear false fruit for his people anymore. They will be taken before summer. The rapture is a late spring event by the indication.
The next passage confirms it is a midtribulation event. The first 1260 days have occured and the last 1260 with the testimony of the two witnesses is starting.
Luke13:6He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.
7 Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?
8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:
9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.
The tree hasn't born fruit for three years, and it will be cut down in the fourth if it doesn't bear fruit. Just like the first three years of the tribulation in the fourth year is beginning of the great tribulation. The knowledge for evil is failing it doesn't bear fruit. The fourth year is the culmination of awakening and understanding of the mysteries of the scriptures. The rapture takes place. I don't know the hour and the day, but here is what we can derive from scriptures.
1. It is an event that takes place after the opening of the sixth seal. The worldwide earthquake has taken place. The winds stop, then the 144,000 are sealed, and the multitude is taken. For this event to be at the last trumpet the it would have to occur simultaneously. Nowhere in scripture does it say the sixth seal and the seventh trumpet are together. All indications is it follows chronological and numerical sequence. First seven seals then seven trumpets.
2. The fig tree will not bear fruit for those of the flock. Christ says in Matthew 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: It is going to happen probably in late spring.
3. Luke 13 tells you the fourth year is coming and the fig tree is cut down. This would be a midtribulation rapture.

One last thing that I need to add that is misinterpreted by Paul. 1Thessalonians4:15 According to the Lordís word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the spam, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.

Notice he says those who are still alive and will be caught up together with them in the clouds. Apparently, Paul is is either of the two endtime witnesses or of the 144,000. Those in the clouds are the multitude of nations brought before the throne. They are about to be transformed to the incorruptible spirit.
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is the way


Read what I posted and I bet you will never post it^^^ again.

Like I said..no conjecture in that post.

Word for word PROOF..and all the false church doctrines fall apart at its touch/....IF you stop being a church robot for moment and read for yourself whats in there instead of regurguitating the same old hal lindsay rubbish.

I think what jesus actually said has more weight to it than what a bloke who had made a stack of false prohecies has.
 
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