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Message Subject For christians:The scriptural PROOF that the Rapture is AFTER the tribulation. NO "Basis" here..PROOF!
Poster Handle Anonymous Coward
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The seventh trumpet IS the bowls.
The trumpets are NOT listed as wrath but the bowls are.

And the seventh trumpet..IS the bowls..like the sevent seal..IS the trumpets.


The 144,000 of Israel are sealed from harm just prior to the 7th Seal. And also a great multitude shows up in heaven at that time.

The fifth trumpet is most definitely part of God's wrath.

"They were commanded not to harm the grass of the earth, or any green thing, or any tree, but only those men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads."

"And they were not given authority to kill them, but to torment them for five months."

7th Seal......the seven trumpet judgments. The 7th trumpet ushers in the bowl judgments.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33302253

The Trumpets are announcments.. the cups are what is to be poured out on the Earth and man..

Also notice that the 144,000 is a very select group.. and one of the Tribes mentioned with 12,000 select is the Tribe of Joseph...

But do remember that all the born again are engrafted into the tree of Israel.. in that sense then all Christians are in fact a part of the Tree of Israel (as it is). This troubles some in a big way.

But never mistake that the current State of Israel necessarily has anything to do with that Biblical Israel, a term which has many many different meanings depending nearly upon which book or even paragraph of the text you are reading it from.

The so called "Whore of Babylon" are those who have first having become Wife of GOD.. then have decided to go awhoring.. after other gods, these could be seen as UnFaithful-Israel.. yet, the Woman of Rev 12 then can be deemed to be seen as Faithful Israel..
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