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Message Subject For christians:The scriptural PROOF that the Rapture is AFTER the tribulation. NO "Basis" here..PROOF!
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"The seventh trumpet IS the bowls.
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The trumpets are NOT listed as wrath but the bowls are.

And the seventh trumpet..IS the bowls..like the sevent seal..IS the trumpets."


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I agree that the 7th trumpet includes the bowl judgments.


However if you read about the 5th trumpet judgment......you can see that it is God's Wrath.


Therefore one can conclude that the 7th Seal is God's wrath.......as it involves all 7 trumpet judgments.


The 144,000 of Israel are sealed just prior to the 7th Seal. And likewise a very large group is newly arrived in heaven at approx. the same time. (Rev. 7: 1-14)


Here is the 7th Seal......5th trumpet judgement:


"Then out of the smoke locusts came upon the earth. And to them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

They were COMMANANDED not to harm the grass of the earth, or any green thing, or any tree, but ONLY THOSE MEN WHO DO NOT HAVE THE SEAL OF GOD ON THEIR FOREHEADS.

And they were not given authority to kill them, but to torment them for 5 months."


5th Trumpet Judgment.....5 months in duration.....part of God's wrath.


First 5 Seals.......Satan's wrath as permitted by God. It has been going on for a long time and will get much worse in the end times.

5th Seal......abomination of desolation; the mark; persecution of the Jews and Christians.


God cuts this short after a few years or so......otherwise no flesh would be saved.


6th Seal......worldwide darkness for an unspecified period of time.....could be months. The elites hide in fear in the mountains and declare that God's wrath is about to begin.


The 144,000 of Israel are sealed from harm. They will remain on earth. The Christians are caught up by angels to be with their Lord.


Parallel in Mt 24:

a time of great tribulation (small letters; not a fixed 3.5 years) by the man of evil; severe persecution

God ends it after awhile.


Worldwide darkness (Mt 24: 29) (Rev. 6th Seal)

Christians caught up by angels (Mt. 24: 30) (Mark 13: 27) Rev. 7: 9---14)


From the midpoint:

Satin's wrath.....approx. one to two years.

Then God's wrath....approx. one to two years....the final section of Daniel's 70th week....the 7th Seal trumpet judgments. There are 7 trumpet judgments. The 5th is five months in duration. The 7th trumpet includes the 7 bowl judgments.
 
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