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Message Subject For christians:The scriptural PROOF that the Rapture is AFTER the tribulation. NO "Basis" here..PROOF!
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No where in Scripture describes Dispensational dogma that forces terms like elect on those who might believe but currently disbelieve.

This nonsense makes a mockery of the Gospels.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72289392

Everyone is born into sin. Everyone is a sinner.

Therefore, everyone disbelieves and is not of the elect UNTIL they later believe and become one of the elect.

It is the same for all people at all times.

No one is born an 'elect.'
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69283946

Way to be the Devils Advocate. Next good and evil are interchangeable.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72289392

If you die before you are saved, will you go to heaven? No, of course not.

Then are you an 'elect' when you die in sin? No.

Then are you an 'elect' if you go to hell after death unsaved? Of course not.

You are only deemed an 'elect' when you are saved, not before.

You can argue predestination, but that still requires you to be saved first.

Do you deny that people will be saved during the Tribulation?

So if people can be saved during the Tribulation, they will be called 'elect' right?

They will become 'saints' and they will be living in the Tribulation, so therefore they will be Tribulation Saints that are the 'elect' in the Tribulation.

Simple

There's more. 144,000 Jewish people will come to believe in Yahshua(Jesus) as their Messiah during the Tribulation. In so doing, they will be called Messianic Jews. And they will evangelize Israel, helping to convert that nation over to Yahshua.
And these Jews will also be called the 'elect.'

None of this is advocating for the devil. None of this is suggesting swapping good for evil. These are gross baseless accusations unless you can show some scripture detailing why the devil advocates this. Which he doesn't. He would rather you think you have to work and earn your way through the Tribulation to be saved by your own hands (while he reigns there and can more easily convert or kill you), for he is the author of Secular Humanism and of lies and of confusion.

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