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Jesus did NOT teach eternal torture. IN fact he taught the very OPPOSITE of what christians teach about hell.

 
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Its all here in black and white.

If you say this is not true you are calling jesus a LIAR.

Mat 18:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:

Mat 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?

Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.


Notice he said "TILL" the debt was paid...clearly stating that it COULD and WOULD be paid.

Christians teach it to mean..

Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, and even after he should pay all that was due unto him he would never be let out and writhe in torture forever..

And again he said.

Mat 5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

So what it means is to work things out NOW while you have life and an easy chance to do so.

Otherwise if you dont deal with things now while its "Easy" to do so, you will have to pay for it the hard way.

But notice he still menationed it was "UNTIL" the last farthing was paid, and that he would NOT get out "UNTIL" it was paid in full.

In other words there is a limit to the the price you pay commesurate with what you owed.

But christians teach it like this.


Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, And even after you have paid you will never get out.

They like to teach the exact opposite to what Jesus said.

Its very clear.

How can anyone miss it??

But it sells books and makes money and keeps everyone in contant fear and easlily controlled.

The LAKE OF FIRE is NOT torture..its LOVE!!!!

Like flame melts the coldest of ice the lake of fire will melt and soften even the hardest of hearts.

There you will be surrounded by pure love and holiness.

This would be torment to a dark and evil heart and there they remail till all the evil in them is burt away.

Evil is death. Thats why death gets destroyed in the lake.

It cannot survive pure love.

So those in the lake will face the results of every evil action they ever committed and they will wail and gansh their teeth, as they feel the pain they caused others but not in "Revenge" state as is taught, but in a "Corrective" state.

They will finally understand at last their true state and that they are loved so deeply that they will be ashamed and eventually be purified of all their evil.

Im not talking about the catholic "Purgatory" where they are tortured for tortures sake in sadistic ways.

Its more like they get flooded and saturated by pure love itself and in their final understanding of what Love is they have all their hate and evil burnt out of them.

Because it happens in the PRESENCE of the LAMB (So much for it being a SEPERATION from him)


Rev_14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God,(WHICH HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT CORRECTION NOT POITNLESS CRUELTY) which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Death dies because evil dies.

What is left at the end is just themselves...finally repentant and educated in the ways of mercy and love..all their hate and evil destroyed.\

The price they pay for doing things the "Hard" way is they hold themselves in everlasting contempt and shame and are never allowed into the holy city.

The will forever be on the "Outside" looking in.

But in no way screaming in torture forever.

Instead at the end when all is said and done every one of them will bow before their creator and confess "Jesus is Lord" and mean it because to do so they will have "Learnt: rightousness and been granted the Holy Spirit in order to be able to make that confession.

And that confession will be to the "Glory" of the Father.

How can the father get much "Glory" if they are all making that Meaningful heartfelt confession if they arew doing so under torture and duress?

IN the end LOVE wins because it cant LOSE.

It never fails.

And according to scripture..

Rom_10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

1Jn 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

om_14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

AND..they CANT make this confession UNLESS..

1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

And to HAVE the Holy Ghost requires REPENTANCE..

And therefore ALL who confess this AT the end MUST have God dwelling iN them DUE to repentance..

Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

In other words they paid the last farthing..have learnt their lesson..have repented and are now able to make this confession and mean it.

Those whose names were not found written in the book of life and had to die the "Second death" were never allowed into the city..

Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

And after they have paid the last farthing in the lake of the fire of His pure love he will..

Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

So sorrow and pain and agony and tears HAVE AN END.

Its the opposite of what is taught where they say that those very things will continue on forever in a place sustained BY God.

But at the end even the hardests of sinners will be made whole and have all their tears wiped away.

But they can never enter the city. They were not among the ones who "Took care of busines" on the way to court.

They had to pay it all in full to the last stripe..

And this includes christians who dont do what the Lord asked..they get the SAME punishment as the "Unbeleivers"

Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

There is no discrimination made here.

A Christian who treats his fellows badly will get the SAME punishment even if he did "Beleive"

Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

Notice it didnt say "INFINITE" Stripes but "Many".

Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

So once again He is clearly saying that there IS AN END and a LIMIT to how one paid their debt and that "Christians" who are ratbags to others get the SAME punishment in the SAME place as the "UNBELEIVERS"...who of course get FEWER stripes because they DID NOT KNOW.

But christians teach it to mean..once again the OPPOSITE

Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with INFINITE stripes.

Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with INFINITE STRIPES as well. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

But Why did Jesus die you may ask if everyone "Repents" at the end??

He died so you would not HAVE to experience the second death.

If you want to experience it..and it probably wont be fun..keep preaching fear and terror..you know..the very OPPOSITE of what Jesus taught.

Read the post again..see what HE TAUGHT!

And if you do..you will realise that NOT EVERYONE gets to HEAVEN..as Heaven IS the New Jerusalem.

The ones that had to die the "Second death" ..are forever denied entrance or any authority in the Kindom.

They themselves are saved..but they sure did SUFFER LOSS..and will hold themselves in "Everlasting" contempt..for being so foolish as to have NOT done things the easy way when they had the chance.

1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.


Notice it said "ANY MAN"..no discrimination here again.

Notice the "FIRE"?..Thats his PURE LOVE..and it will BURN UP DROSS..and everything NOT DONE in love will BURN.

But the person..even if they were evil to the core..will lose EVERYTHING..ALL rewards..but they themselves WILL be saved..but,,are never allowed into the city..EVER.[/
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the book of Enoch states that those on the good side will be able to pray their loved ones out of hell, or something to that affect. That is why they have always tried to discredit that book, or at least one of the reasons. Who knows for sure, I don't.
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It's really pretty simple. After we die in this life, we wake up into reality. When we are there, we are overcome with all the pain that we have ever given to others.

It's only when we are clean from the evils that we have done, that we can move on.

Everything else said by all the religions in the world, is just to give people power and control over you in this life.
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yes, it is probably something like that samantha!
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Very interesting
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It's really pretty simple. After we die in this life, we wake up into reality. When we are there, we are overcome with all the pain that we have ever given to others.

It's only when we are clean from the evils that we have done, that we can move on.

Everything else said by all the religions in the world, is just to give people power and control over you in this life.
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Well...Jesus did say "You reap what you sow"

Either now in this life or in the one after it.
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Very interesting
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Whats really interesting is the lack of responses but the top votes...people are silenced with this truth..its to "Stunning" and cannot be debunked..

The hell screamers cannot curse at it because its what Jesus actually taught...to cure this thread they curse HIM in effect because they are HIS teachings.

The rest (The unchurched) are unable to say much because..how do you mock something thats NOT threatening to torture them forever for once, and realising whats written is the actual truth..and that christians and the churches that breed them have been lying to them for centuries about the contents of their own book..and the very words of their OWN savior..

There is no excuse..its from His mouth..its what he taught..and every other verse about the subject in the bible backs it up.

Because God IS LOVE.

Another thing christians have lied about to conform to the hell doctrine.

Its NOT an ATTRIBUTE of his..its what HE ACTAULLY IS!!!!!!

1Jn 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

1Jn 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

So WHAT are the TELLING FEATURES of the LOVE that GOD ACTUALLY IS???


1Co 13:4 LOVE suffereth long, and is kind; LOVE envieth not; LOVE vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;

1Co 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

1Co 13:8 LOVE never faileth:

But to hear most christians preach..they TWIST it to mean...

1Jn 4:8 He that condemeth others not to hell knoweth not God; for God is JUSTICE and REVENGE.

1Jn 4:16 And we have known and believed the JUSTICE and RAGE that God hath to us. God is JUSTICE and ETERNAL RAGE; and he that dwelleth in JUSTICE and etrnal SPITE dwelleth in God, and God in him.

So WHAT are the TELLING FEATURES of the JUSTICE and ETERNAL RAGE that GOD ACTUALLY IS according to how they preach it???


1Co 13:4 JUSTICE and RAGE suffereth NOTHING, and is unkind; JUSTICE and RAGE envieth all things; JUSTICE and RAGE vaunteth itself and DEMANDS worship on pain of ETERNAL TORURE, and is INCREDIBLY puffed up,

1Co 13:5 Doth behave itself unseemly, seeketh always its own, easily provoked, thinketh eternal evil;

1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth in iniquity, but rejoiceth NOT in the truth;

1Co 13:7 Burneth all things, condemneth all things, hopeth all things burn, endureth nothing.

1Co 13:8 And LOVE??? well..it ALWAYS faileth:
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Hey deceiver we already have very big threads on this subject, one from Me777.
You can fill your deception in there, we don't really need another thread, plus you will get all the attention you need in there.

Here you go the Me777 thread:
Thread: ETERNAL PUNISHMENT Is It Really of God?
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Hey deceiver we already have very big threads on this subject, one from Me777.
You can fill your deception in there, we don't really need another thread, plus you will get all the attention you need in there.

Here you go the Me777 thread:
Thread: ETERNAL PUNISHMENT Is It Really of God?
 Quoting: -GLP-Christian-


So you think Jesus was a deciever?

They are his words I posted..not mine.
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Hey deceiver we already have very big threads on this subject, one from Me777.
You can fill your deception in there, we don't really need another thread, plus you will get all the attention you need in there.

Here you go the Me777 thread:
Thread: ETERNAL PUNISHMENT Is It Really of God?
 Quoting: -GLP-Christian-


Also..instead of doing the usual "You are a deciever" etc..why dont you debunk it instead??

Or is it that you CANT?
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Re: Jesus did NOT teach eternal torture. IN fact he taught the very OPPOSITE of what christians teach about hell.
never really mentions heaven either.

You would think if the bible was so important
you would only focus the book
on only 3 factors
1. heaven
2. hell
3. god.
Instead we get some other type of bologna which
has to reasoning or logic or common sense behind it.
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why do people talking about Jesus just ramble on and on and on and on and on like they are possessed by an evil spirit of babble?
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why do people talking about Jesus just ramble on and on and on and on and on like they are possessed by an evil spirit of babble?
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Because most of them are.

In this case I had to reverse it because usually they use religion and God to scare people with doom and torture and threats.

But thats not what jesus actually taught.

If you read what I wrote you would see that rather liberating truth.
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JC was talking about the Jews. Ofc this didnt last long.
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OP you think Satan, and his demons, also repent, or get out of the lake of fire?

Revelation 20:10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Matthew 25:46 ESV / 28 helpful votes

Matthew 25:46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Notice the exact same Greek word, eternal, is used before life and punishment.
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OP you think Satan, and his demons, also repent, or get out of the lake of fire?

Revelation 20:10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Matthew 25:46 ESV / 28 helpful votes

Matthew 25:46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Notice the exact same Greek word, eternal, is used before life and punishment.
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Its day and night..I thought there was NO day and night after the millenium.

And "forevers and evers" is senseless grammar...the actual words in that passage say the "age of the ages"..THE millenium.

"Forevers and evers" makes no sense.

But then half the stuff that has to be twisted out of all recognition to turn God into a sadistic merciless torturing monster who will spend eternity tomenting most of his creation would have to make NO sense..unless it was in a twisted sadistic satanic sort of way.

But thats whats happenned.

And I notice no one has addressed most of what I wrote ..like how they turned the GOD OF LOVE into a GOD OF MERCILESS SPITE FILLED REVENGE..utterly twisating those passage about what LOVE IS to suit THEIR satanic opposite..you know..all the sorts of mannerisms one would EXPECT from a VERY dark creature..

But then thats what the deception really is isnt it??

To turn the most loving compassionae giving and forgiving being who owns runs and maintains all of creation into a heartless beast.

And christians BUY it...bothe mentally and with LOTS of CASH..HELL SELLS because FEAR SELLS...and as a result they become what they think God is..thus their pride and hate and arrogance and constant condemnation of all those who do not bow to them or their point of view...much like they think God is..who they say and teach will torture without mercy in the most horrifically and satanic way possible ALL those who do not bow to HIS.

But really..its just satans point of view they asre pushing..because their fruit gives them away.

Debunk failed..if anything..you have only called jesus a liar because I also notice you did not even attempt to address his own words which debunks what YOU teach.

Why?

Its because you cant.

No one can gainsay the SON OF GOD!

Especially not hell bent accusing christians who are yet to realise their God LOVES them and is NOT a monster..

But keep looking..and start thinking..because you have been TRICKED..TERRIBLY!

BREAK FREE.
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grizzy Stick with what the bible says, not with what you would like it to say.

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Jesus offers peace with God through his substitutionary atonement. He died so that I could live.
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OP you think Satan, and his demons, also repent, or get out of the lake of fire?

Revelation 20:10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Matthew 25:46 ESV / 28 helpful votes

Matthew 25:46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Notice the exact same Greek word, eternal, is used before life and punishment.
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Its day and night..I thought there was NO day and night after the millenium.

And "forevers and evers" is senseless grammar...the actual words in that passage say the "age of the ages"..THE millenium.

"Forevers and evers" makes no sense.

But then half the stuff that has to be twisted out of all recognition to turn God into a sadistic merciless torturing monster who will spend eternity tomenting most of his creation would have to make NO sense..unless it was in a twisted sadistic satanic sort of way.

But thats whats happenned.

And I notice no one has addressed most of what I wrote ..like how they turned the GOD OF LOVE into a GOD OF MERCILESS SPITE FILLED REVENGE..utterly twisating those passage about what LOVE IS to suit THEIR satanic opposite..you know..all the sorts of mannerisms one would EXPECT from a VERY dark creature..

But then thats what the deception really is isnt it??

To turn the most loving compassionae giving and forgiving being who owns runs and maintains all of creation into a heartless beast.

And christians BUY it...bothe mentally and with LOTS of CASH..HELL SELLS because FEAR SELLS...and as a result they become what they think God is..thus their pride and hate and arrogance and constant condemnation of all those who do not bow to them or their point of view...much like they think God is..who they say and teach will torture without mercy in the most horrifically and satanic way possible ALL those who do not bow to HIS.

But really..its just satans point of view they asre pushing..because their fruit gives them away.

Debunk failed..if anything..you have only called jesus a liar because I also notice you did not even attempt to address his own words which debunks what YOU teach.

Why?

Its because you cant.

No one can gainsay the SON OF GOD!

Especially not hell bent accusing christians who are yet to realise their God LOVES them and is NOT a monster..

But keep looking..and start thinking..because you have been TRICKED..TERRIBLY!

BREAK FREE.
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I see you completely ignore the second verse, I presented:

Matthew 25:46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Notice the exact same Greek word, eternal, is used before life and punishment.
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:grizzy: Stick with what the bible says, not with what you would like it to say.

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But thats the point of the thread..WHAT THE BIBLE says..

You didnt read it did you?

Most christians DONT actually READ their bibles..they read chick tracts..books..utube vids and sermons BASED on those things..and taken out of context and twisted into something dark and fear filled.

But rarely do they actually READ whats in the bible for themselves.

I was the same too.


I was a hell screamer rapture tard for 30 years..beleiving all the tracts and books and speakers and utubes..I KNOW how the system works.

One day I sat down and read the book objectivly..JUST to see if what was IN it compared to what we were told (Due to a challenge I recieved right here at GLP)

Someone said "Have you ever actually READ that book?..objectivly?..or have you just bought into whats been SAID about it by the ones at the top who make all the cash from your FEAR?"

So..being a good "berean"..I accepted the "Challenge"..and studied all the points they brought up..line by line//precept by precept..


And lo and behold..found we have all be SATANICALLY and TERRIBLY DECIVED!

And that deception actually makes sense..

because if I was Satan...the very first thing on my agenda would be to make god LOOK like everything I in fact was..a worship demanding merciless self absorbed tyrant who cares nothing about torturing trillions.

THATS satan for ya..NOT GOD.

Now throw those illuminati sponsored tracts away Judethz and THINK!
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OP you think Satan, and his demons, also repent, or get out of the lake of fire?

Revelation 20:10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Matthew 25:46 ESV / 28 helpful votes

Matthew 25:46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Notice the exact same Greek word, eternal, is used before life and punishment.
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Its day and night..I thought there was NO day and night after the millenium.

And "forevers and evers" is senseless grammar...the actual words in that passage say the "age of the ages"..THE millenium.

"Forevers and evers" makes no sense.

But then half the stuff that has to be twisted out of all recognition to turn God into a sadistic merciless torturing monster who will spend eternity tomenting most of his creation would have to make NO sense..unless it was in a twisted sadistic satanic sort of way.

But thats whats happenned.

And I notice no one has addressed most of what I wrote ..like how they turned the GOD OF LOVE into a GOD OF MERCILESS SPITE FILLED REVENGE..utterly twisating those passage about what LOVE IS to suit THEIR satanic opposite..you know..all the sorts of mannerisms one would EXPECT from a VERY dark creature..

But then thats what the deception really is isnt it??

To turn the most loving compassionae giving and forgiving being who owns runs and maintains all of creation into a heartless beast.

And christians BUY it...bothe mentally and with LOTS of CASH..HELL SELLS because FEAR SELLS...and as a result they become what they think God is..thus their pride and hate and arrogance and constant condemnation of all those who do not bow to them or their point of view...much like they think God is..who they say and teach will torture without mercy in the most horrifically and satanic way possible ALL those who do not bow to HIS.

But really..its just satans point of view they asre pushing..because their fruit gives them away.

Debunk failed..if anything..you have only called jesus a liar because I also notice you did not even attempt to address his own words which debunks what YOU teach.

Why?

Its because you cant.

No one can gainsay the SON OF GOD!

Especially not hell bent accusing christians who are yet to realise their God LOVES them and is NOT a monster..

But keep looking..and start thinking..because you have been TRICKED..TERRIBLY!

BREAK FREE.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46817390


Also another point you ignore, if the lake of fire, represents God's purification, does that mean Satan and his demons also get out of the lake of fire, and go to heaven?
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Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:


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Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:


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Yes, everlasting sounds like a long time.
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OP you think Satan, and his demons, also repent, or get out of the lake of fire?

Revelation 20:10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Matthew 25:46 ESV / 28 helpful votes

Matthew 25:46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Notice the exact same Greek word, eternal, is used before life and punishment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32161378


Its day and night..I thought there was NO day and night after the millenium.

And "forevers and evers" is senseless grammar...the actual words in that passage say the "age of the ages"..THE millenium.

"Forevers and evers" makes no sense.

But then half the stuff that has to be twisted out of all recognition to turn God into a sadistic merciless torturing monster who will spend eternity tomenting most of his creation would have to make NO sense..unless it was in a twisted sadistic satanic sort of way.

But thats whats happenned.

And I notice no one has addressed most of what I wrote ..like how they turned the GOD OF LOVE into a GOD OF MERCILESS SPITE FILLED REVENGE..utterly twisating those passage about what LOVE IS to suit THEIR satanic opposite..you know..all the sorts of mannerisms one would EXPECT from a VERY dark creature..

But then thats what the deception really is isnt it??

To turn the most loving compassionae giving and forgiving being who owns runs and maintains all of creation into a heartless beast.

And christians BUY it...bothe mentally and with LOTS of CASH..HELL SELLS because FEAR SELLS...and as a result they become what they think God is..thus their pride and hate and arrogance and constant condemnation of all those who do not bow to them or their point of view...much like they think God is..who they say and teach will torture without mercy in the most horrifically and satanic way possible ALL those who do not bow to HIS.

But really..its just satans point of view they asre pushing..because their fruit gives them away.

Debunk failed..if anything..you have only called jesus a liar because I also notice you did not even attempt to address his own words which debunks what YOU teach.

Why?

Its because you cant.

No one can gainsay the SON OF GOD!

Especially not hell bent accusing christians who are yet to realise their God LOVES them and is NOT a monster..

But keep looking..and start thinking..because you have been TRICKED..TERRIBLY!

BREAK FREE.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46817390


I see you completely ignore the second verse, I presented:

Matthew 25:46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Notice the exact same Greek word, eternal, is used before life and punishment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32161378


It actually means "Age lasting"..the age of the ages.

The millenium.

The rightous get to rule and reign during the millenium..the AGE LASTING life..given only to overcomers and the bride.

The age lasting punishment is NOT being part of that. And at the second ressurection at the end of the millenuim..all those who had to die the second death and go through the "Fire" are never allowed into the Holy city.

But I have already explained all this.

Why are people so terrified and afraid to let go of a monstrous torture inflicting God?

I know why..because I used to think the same way.

Its based on out ALL TOO HUMAN NEED to see our "enemies" suffer and PAY.

But Jesus didnt teach THAT eather...he was all about CORRECTION..NOT pointless revenge.

God cannot be an asshole like satan is.

Its impossible.

Satan is hate and revenge and force and therefore evil.

Its black and white.

Good and evil.

Jesus defined "Good".

The opposite is evil.


Mat 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

This^^^^is "Good"

Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

This is what christians preach^^^

Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

This^^^is "Good" and shows patience and love.

Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

He Loves both the good and the evil and makes no discrimination in how he treats them.

Its is the essence of "Good"


Mat 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

This is what christians do. The hang around eachother patting eachother on the back at how "Holy" they think they are but curse and hate and condemn everyone else all the time. That is "Evil"

Mat 5:47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

As I said above its "Evil"

Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

So perfect must not mean quoting scriptures or being all self rightous as they do but it means not being an asshole to everyone else.

Because Gods not an asshole.
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OP you think Satan, and his demons, also repent, or get out of the lake of fire?

Revelation 20:10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Matthew 25:46 ESV / 28 helpful votes

Matthew 25:46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Notice the exact same Greek word, eternal, is used before life and punishment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32161378


Its day and night..I thought there was NO day and night after the millenium.

And "forevers and evers" is senseless grammar...the actual words in that passage say the "age of the ages"..THE millenium.

"Forevers and evers" makes no sense.

But then half the stuff that has to be twisted out of all recognition to turn God into a sadistic merciless torturing monster who will spend eternity tomenting most of his creation would have to make NO sense..unless it was in a twisted sadistic satanic sort of way.

But thats whats happenned.

And I notice no one has addressed most of what I wrote ..like how they turned the GOD OF LOVE into a GOD OF MERCILESS SPITE FILLED REVENGE..utterly twisating those passage about what LOVE IS to suit THEIR satanic opposite..you know..all the sorts of mannerisms one would EXPECT from a VERY dark creature..

But then thats what the deception really is isnt it??

To turn the most loving compassionae giving and forgiving being who owns runs and maintains all of creation into a heartless beast.

And christians BUY it...bothe mentally and with LOTS of CASH..HELL SELLS because FEAR SELLS...and as a result they become what they think God is..thus their pride and hate and arrogance and constant condemnation of all those who do not bow to them or their point of view...much like they think God is..who they say and teach will torture without mercy in the most horrifically and satanic way possible ALL those who do not bow to HIS.

But really..its just satans point of view they asre pushing..because their fruit gives them away.

Debunk failed..if anything..you have only called jesus a liar because I also notice you did not even attempt to address his own words which debunks what YOU teach.

Why?

Its because you cant.

No one can gainsay the SON OF GOD!

Especially not hell bent accusing christians who are yet to realise their God LOVES them and is NOT a monster..

But keep looking..and start thinking..because you have been TRICKED..TERRIBLY!

BREAK FREE.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46817390


I see you completely ignore the second verse, I presented:

Matthew 25:46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Notice the exact same Greek word, eternal, is used before life and punishment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32161378


It actually means "Age lasting"..the age of the ages.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46817390


The Greek word, used for eternal punishment is aionios.

Get a Greek dictionary, the word, can have three meanings:

1) eternal
2) everlasting
3) forever

It's not "age lasting."
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OP you think Satan, and his demons, also repent, or get out of the lake of fire?

Revelation 20:10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Matthew 25:46 ESV / 28 helpful votes

Matthew 25:46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Notice the exact same Greek word, eternal, is used before life and punishment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32161378


Its day and night..I thought there was NO day and night after the millenium.

And "forevers and evers" is senseless grammar...the actual words in that passage say the "age of the ages"..THE millenium.

"Forevers and evers" makes no sense.

But then half the stuff that has to be twisted out of all recognition to turn God into a sadistic merciless torturing monster who will spend eternity tomenting most of his creation would have to make NO sense..unless it was in a twisted sadistic satanic sort of way.

But thats whats happenned.

And I notice no one has addressed most of what I wrote ..like how they turned the GOD OF LOVE into a GOD OF MERCILESS SPITE FILLED REVENGE..utterly twisating those passage about what LOVE IS to suit THEIR satanic opposite..you know..all the sorts of mannerisms one would EXPECT from a VERY dark creature..

But then thats what the deception really is isnt it??

To turn the most loving compassionae giving and forgiving being who owns runs and maintains all of creation into a heartless beast.

And christians BUY it...bothe mentally and with LOTS of CASH..HELL SELLS because FEAR SELLS...and as a result they become what they think God is..thus their pride and hate and arrogance and constant condemnation of all those who do not bow to them or their point of view...much like they think God is..who they say and teach will torture without mercy in the most horrifically and satanic way possible ALL those who do not bow to HIS.

But really..its just satans point of view they asre pushing..because their fruit gives them away.

Debunk failed..if anything..you have only called jesus a liar because I also notice you did not even attempt to address his own words which debunks what YOU teach.

Why?

Its because you cant.

No one can gainsay the SON OF GOD!

Especially not hell bent accusing christians who are yet to realise their God LOVES them and is NOT a monster..

But keep looking..and start thinking..because you have been TRICKED..TERRIBLY!

BREAK FREE.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46817390


I see you completely ignore the second verse, I presented:

Matthew 25:46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Notice the exact same Greek word, eternal, is used before life and punishment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32161378


It actually means "Age lasting"..the age of the ages.

The millenium.

The rightous get to rule and reign during the millenium..the AGE LASTING life..given only to overcomers and the bride.

The age lasting punishment is NOT being part of that. And at the second ressurection at the end of the millenuim..all those who had to die the second death and go through the "Fire" are never allowed into the Holy city.

But I have already explained all this.

Why are people so terrified and afraid to let go of a monstrous torture inflicting God?

I know why..because I used to think the same way.

Its based on out ALL TOO HUMAN NEED to see our "enemies" suffer and PAY.

But Jesus didnt teach THAT eather...he was all about CORRECTION..NOT pointless revenge.

God cannot be an asshole like satan is.

Its impossible.

Satan is hate and revenge and force and therefore evil.

Its black and white.

Good and evil.

Jesus defined "Good".

The opposite is evil.


Mat 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

This^^^^is "Good"

Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

This is what christians preach^^^

Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

This^^^is "Good" and shows patience and love.

Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

He Loves both the good and the evil and makes no discrimination in how he treats them.

Its is the essence of "Good"


Mat 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

This is what christians do. The hang around eachother patting eachother on the back at how "Holy" they think they are but curse and hate and condemn everyone else all the time. That is "Evil"

Mat 5:47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

As I said above its "Evil"

Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

So perfect must not mean quoting scriptures or being all self rightous as they do but it means not being an asshole to everyone else.

Because Gods not an asshole.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46817390


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Its day and night..I thought there was NO day and night after the millenium.

And "forevers and evers" is senseless grammar...the actual words in that passage say the "age of the ages"..THE millenium.

"Forevers and evers" makes no sense.

But then half the stuff that has to be twisted out of all recognition to turn God into a sadistic merciless torturing monster who will spend eternity tomenting most of his creation would have to make NO sense..unless it was in a twisted sadistic satanic sort of way.

But thats whats happenned.

And I notice no one has addressed most of what I wrote ..like how they turned the GOD OF LOVE into a GOD OF MERCILESS SPITE FILLED REVENGE..utterly twisating those passage about what LOVE IS to suit THEIR satanic opposite..you know..all the sorts of mannerisms one would EXPECT from a VERY dark creature..

But then thats what the deception really is isnt it??

To turn the most loving compassionae giving and forgiving being who owns runs and maintains all of creation into a heartless beast.

And christians BUY it...bothe mentally and with LOTS of CASH..HELL SELLS because FEAR SELLS...and as a result they become what they think God is..thus their pride and hate and arrogance and constant condemnation of all those who do not bow to them or their point of view...much like they think God is..who they say and teach will torture without mercy in the most horrifically and satanic way possible ALL those who do not bow to HIS.

But really..its just satans point of view they asre pushing..because their fruit gives them away.

Debunk failed..if anything..you have only called jesus a liar because I also notice you did not even attempt to address his own words which debunks what YOU teach.

Why?

Its because you cant.

No one can gainsay the SON OF GOD!

Especially not hell bent accusing christians who are yet to realise their God LOVES them and is NOT a monster..

But keep looking..and start thinking..because you have been TRICKED..TERRIBLY!

BREAK FREE.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46817390


I see you completely ignore the second verse, I presented:

Matthew 25:46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Notice the exact same Greek word, eternal, is used before life and punishment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32161378


It actually means "Age lasting"..the age of the ages.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46817390


The Greek word, used for eternal punishment is aionios.

Get a Greek dictionary, the word, can have three meanings:

1) eternal
2) everlasting
3) forever

It's not "age lasting."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32161378


clappa

Yes and the same word is used in reference to God's eternal Kingdom.
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I see you completely ignore the second verse, I presented:

Matthew 25:46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Notice the exact same Greek word, eternal, is used before life and punishment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32161378


It actually means "Age lasting"..the age of the ages.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46817390


The Greek word, used for eternal punishment is aionios.

Get a Greek dictionary, the word, can have three meanings:

1) eternal
2) everlasting
3) forever

It's not "age lasting."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32161378


clappa

Yes and the same word is used in reference to God's eternal Kingdom.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46758900


Let me bring up two more important places where this exact same word eternal (aionios), is used. Here we can see, the word eternal, is certainly more fitting, versus "age lasting."

2 Corinthians 5:1 For we know that if the tent that is our earthly home is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal (aionios) in the heavens.

So is our heavenly home, eternal, or only last for an age?

Romans 16:26 But now as the prophets foretold and as the eternal ((aionios) God has commanded, this message is made known to all Gentiles everywhere, so that they too might believe and obey him.

Now does it make sense, that the "eternal (aionios)" God, is only "age lasting" or is God truly eternal as stated?
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I have been told that my Father (GOD) loves me more than I love my own children.

There is NOTHING my kids could ever do that I would condemn them to Hell for, so I can't believe in Hell.
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Christianity is bullshit.
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Its day and night..I thought there was NO day and night after the millenium.

And "forevers and evers" is senseless grammar...the actual words in that passage say the "age of the ages"..THE millenium.

"Forevers and evers" makes no sense.

But then half the stuff that has to be twisted out of all recognition to turn God into a sadistic merciless torturing monster who will spend eternity tomenting most of his creation would have to make NO sense..unless it was in a twisted sadistic satanic sort of way.

But thats whats happenned.

And I notice no one has addressed most of what I wrote ..like how they turned the GOD OF LOVE into a GOD OF MERCILESS SPITE FILLED REVENGE..utterly twisating those passage about what LOVE IS to suit THEIR satanic opposite..you know..all the sorts of mannerisms one would EXPECT from a VERY dark creature..

But then thats what the deception really is isnt it??

To turn the most loving compassionae giving and forgiving being who owns runs and maintains all of creation into a heartless beast.

And christians BUY it...bothe mentally and with LOTS of CASH..HELL SELLS because FEAR SELLS...and as a result they become what they think God is..thus their pride and hate and arrogance and constant condemnation of all those who do not bow to them or their point of view...much like they think God is..who they say and teach will torture without mercy in the most horrifically and satanic way possible ALL those who do not bow to HIS.

But really..its just satans point of view they asre pushing..because their fruit gives them away.

Debunk failed..if anything..you have only called jesus a liar because I also notice you did not even attempt to address his own words which debunks what YOU teach.

Why?

Its because you cant.

No one can gainsay the SON OF GOD!

Especially not hell bent accusing christians who are yet to realise their God LOVES them and is NOT a monster..

But keep looking..and start thinking..because you have been TRICKED..TERRIBLY!

BREAK FREE.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46817390


I see you completely ignore the second verse, I presented:

Matthew 25:46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Notice the exact same Greek word, eternal, is used before life and punishment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32161378


It actually means "Age lasting"..the age of the ages.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46817390


The Greek word, used for eternal punishment is aionios.

Get a Greek dictionary, the word, can have three meanings:

1) eternal
2) everlasting
3) forever

It's not "age lasting."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32161378


What Do Scholars Say?

Before we explore the scriptural implications of this truth, consider the writings of very prominent and respected Biblical scholars regarding "aionios:"

Ellicott's Commentary on the Whole Bible (Matt. 25:46). Everlasting punishment--life eternal. The two adjectives represent the same Greek word, aionios it must be admitted that the Greek word which is rendered "eternal" does not, in itself, involve endlessness, but rather, duration, whether through an age or succession of ages, and that it is therefore applied in the N.T. to periods of time that have had both a beginning and ending (Rom. 16:25).

Hasting's Dictionary of the New Testament (Vol. I, p. 542, art. Christ and the Gospels): Eternity. There is no word either in the O.T. Hebrew or the N.T. Greek to express the abstract idea of eternity. (Vol. III, p. 369): Eternal, everlasting—nonetheless "eternal" is misleading, inasmuch as it has come in the English to connote the idea of "endlessly existing," and thus to be practically a synonym for "everlasting." But this is not an adequate rendering of aionios which varies in meaning with the variations of the noun aion from which it comes. (p. 370)

Jeremy Taylor, a world famous Protestant hell-fire advocate wavers, and after his ebullient flashes of Systematic Hellology, he is constrained to the following modification in Jeremy Taylor's Works (vol. 3, p. 43): "Though the fire is everlasting, not all that enters it is everlasting," then adds, "The word everlasting signifies only to the end of its period." Would that other hell-fire advocates were so honest.

The large Catholic Bible dictionary, The Encyclopedic Dictionary of the Bible (p. 693): ETERNITY: The Bible hardly speaks of eternity in the philosophical sense of infinite duration without beginning or end. The Hebrew word olam, which is used alone (Ps. 61:8; etc.) or with various prepositions (Gen. 3:22; etc.) in contexts where it is traditionally translated as "forever," means in itself no more than ‘for an indefinitely long period." Thus me olam does not mean "from eternity" but "of old" Gen. 6:4; etc.). In the N.T. aion is used as the equivalent of olam. (Note: even the Catholic translators of The Jerusalem Bible and The New American Bible have failed to heed the scholarship of their own Catholic authorities.)

Saint Gregory of Nyssa speaks of aionios diastema, "an eonian interval." How many intervals do you know of that are "endless" or "eternal?"
What led these scholars to such understanding? What understanding did they have available that most of the Christian world does not currently have?

Aionios: What It Really Means

Word meaning changes over time. This is natural. To understand an old word, two methods may be employed: knowing a word's roots (etymology), and studying its usage to determine how much the word usage matches the etymology. Many words we use today adhere to the etymology.

Dictionaries use etymology to give clues on either present meanings, or to demonstrate how word meaning changes over time to mean something other than originally intended.

First, let's look at the etymology of aionios, then we will examine the Biblical word usage. Consider this: the English name Christian was first used by non-Christians to describe Jesus Christ's early followers. The term means "of Christ" or "pertaining to Christ." Why is this revealing when considering the word eonian?

"Pertaining to"
Christ Christ - ian
Edward Edward - ian
Armenia Armen - ian
Orwell Orwell - ian
history histor - ian
eon eon - ian

Likewise, in considering the parts of the Greek aionios, it is formed from two: aion (age) and the suffix -ios (pertaining to). Thus, aionios means pertaining to aion or pertaining to ages.

Example: In ancient Greek texts - notably in Homer - a man's hometown would be part of his name. The suffix -ios would signify which town by modifying it into an adjective. Thus, "Ajax son of Telamon" translates to "Aias Telamwvios." The English is the same: if a man is from Italy, he is an Italian.

Dr. Marvin Vincent, a notable New Testament scholar, in Word Studies of the New Testament wrote the following regarding aion:

Aristotle says: "The period which includes the whole time of each one's life is called the aion (eon) of each one." (Peri Ouravou, i.9, 15)
Hence, it often means the life of a man, as in Homer, where one's life (aion) is said to leave him or consume away (Iliad. v. 685; Odessy. v. 160). It is not, however, limited to human life;

It signifies any period in the course of events, as the period or age before Christ in the flesh; the period of the millennium (the 1000 year reign of Christ to come); the mythological period before the beginnings of history. The word has not a "stationary and mechanical value" (De Quincey). It does not mean a period of a fixed length for all cases. There is one aion of a human life, another of the life of a nation, another of a crow's life, another of an oak's life.

The length of the aion depends on the subject to which it is attached. It is sometimes translated "world," with "world" representing a period or a series of periods of time. (See Matt 12:32; Matt 13:40-49; 1 Cor. 1:20; 1 Cor. 1:20; Ephesians 1:21). Similarly the worlds, the universe, the aggregate of the ages or periods, and their contents which are included in the duration of the world. (1 Cor. 2:7; 1 Cor. 10:11; Heb. 1:2; Heb 9:26; Heb 11:3)

The word always carries the notion of time, and not of eternity.

It always means a period of time. Otherwise it would be impossible to account for the plural, or for such qualifying expressions as this age, or the age to come. It does not mean something endless or everlasting. . . . The adjective aionios in like manner carries the idea of time. Neither the noun nor the adjective, in themselves, carry the sense of endless or everlasting. (pp. 58-59, vol. IV, Vincent's Word Studies of the New Testament.

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