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BREAKING!!! - The "SANDY HOOK CHOPPER" identity "DISCOVERED"

 
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Some thought it was a black helicopter others thought it might have been a drone but it turns out that ONE of the helicopters flying over the school that morning was a Connecticut State Police helicopter. Why is it important? It's important because some of the first video footage of the shooting event was provided by helicopters flying over the scene. It's also important because it helps establish a more acurate timeline and it could answer some deep questions about the authenticity of the eye-witness statements.

This is a photo of the chopper involved.

[link to cspunion.aceplace.net]

This is a photo of the same helicopter hovering.

[link to ca.images.search.yahoo.com]

This is a photo of the same chopper shown flying over the school which was taken by another aircraft flying above it.

[link to ca.images.search.yahoo.com]



Now all we have to do is find the identity of the other Helicopter. It's been suggested there were as many as four.

Just in case it gets scrubbed the registration number on that Chopper is N1903A

The first link below is the earliest video I could find and it's very short but it shows all kinds of people walking around the school. It looks like around 9:45? If someone can find an earlier one please post s link here...

Titled "Sandy Hook - more HD helicopter footage"

[link to www.youtube.com]

The second link below also looks early on maybe 9:45?? The quality is not as good but there's more footage, about two minutes worth

Sandy Hook investigation update #8 Raw Helicopter Footage Sandy Hook

"Sandy Hook investigation update #8 Raw Helicopter Footage Sandy Hook Sandy Hook investigation update #8 school massacre was a “drill” evidence Adam Lanza qua…"

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FULL SANDY HOOK DOCUMENTARY: www.youtube.com PROVING SANDY HOOK HOAX WITH TWO PICTURES: www.youtube.com picasaweb.google.com “Carlos Matthew Soto” younger (2007) and the “Phelps” (Greenberg Sexton) family. ACTORS. This is footage before the chase in the woods. There are supposed to be 27 dead people inside at this moment. There are: No visible children (456 enrolled). No ambulances. No medical staff. No parents. No emergency. No panic. No injured. No visible bodies. No visible guns. No law enforcement surrounding the school. All/most footage we saw on TV was from the Firehouse. This is the same helicopter that capture the chase for the man/men in the woods; this is the helicopter arriving at the acting scene. It was ALL a HOAX. Credit for bringing this information out goes to: www.youtube.com and www.wfsb.com Timestamp (12/14/2012): i45.tinypic.com SHARE – LIKE – FAV – RE-UPLOAD – SPREAD THE MESSAGE – FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHTS – DO NOT GIVE UP YOUR GUNS PETITIONS YOU SHOULD SIGN: 1. wh.gov 2. wh.gov 3. wh.gov 4. wh.gov 5. wh.gov 6. wh.gov 7. wh.gov 8. wh.gov 9. wh.gov THE GUN DEBATE: Both Sides of The Argument: YouTube: “GOA Larry Pratt Owns CNN’s Piers Morgan On 2nd Amendment And Gun Control” OR www.youtube.com The History of Gun Control: YouTube: “INNOCENTS BETRAYED – The TRUE story of GUN CONTROL WORLDWIDE – (Graphic Images)” OR www.youtube.com Australia Gun Ban: YouTube: “Watch what happens when Guns are banned in Australia” OR www.youtube.com Contact your representatives …


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945 fits in with a timeline that James Tracy used. Apparently there was a chopper in the air shooting video of the school within 8 minutes of the first 911 call. The scriptwriters should have thought that one out a bit more. Even if you were glued to the scanner, wouldnt it take at least a couple minutes to decipher what is going on in the 911 calls? Couple that in with the fact that you would have to start the chopper and then fly to the school? And is there some sort of air traffic control you have to notify first before liftoff? Its not like its safe to just hop in a helicopter and jump up into the air blind.

945 is preposterous.
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945 fits in with a timeline that James Tracy used. Apparently there was a chopper in the air shooting video of the school within 8 minutes of the first 911 call. The scriptwriters should have thought that one out a bit more. Even if you were glued to the scanner, wouldnt it take at least a couple minutes to decipher what is going on in the 911 calls? Couple that in with the fact that you would have to start the chopper and then fly to the school? And is there some sort of air traffic control you have to notify first before liftoff? Its not like its safe to just hop in a helicopter and jump up into the air blind.

945 is preposterous.
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get the flight records...they will say it was already flying by to save a kitten or something, these people don't care what evidence you have...they are blatant.
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This was removed from youtube and then reposted.

RAW Helicopter Footage Before Sandy Hook HOAX

[link to www.youtube.com]

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Helicopter Footage of Sandy Hook 12/14/12

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bump and share before it's gone!
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Most people don't point out about these two videos- how come most of the faculty staff car's are same color make model. And how they are parked. All facing one direction.
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945 fits in with a timeline that James Tracy used. Apparently there was a chopper in the air shooting video of the school within 8 minutes of the first 911 call. The scriptwriters should have thought that one out a bit more. Even if you were glued to the scanner, wouldnt it take at least a couple minutes to decipher what is going on in the 911 calls? Couple that in with the fact that you would have to start the chopper and then fly to the school? And is there some sort of air traffic control you have to notify first before liftoff? Its not like its safe to just hop in a helicopter and jump up into the air blind.

945 is preposterous.
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get the flight records...they will say it was already flying by to save a kitten or something, these people don't care what evidence you have...they are blatant.
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If memory serves me right, wasn't there a "drill" going on somewhere close to Sandy Hook that morning? Couldn't they justify the helicopters were there "quickly" because they were already in the air monitoring some scheduled drill that was already taking place somewhere nearby?
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Most people don't point out about these two videos- how come most of the faculty staff car's are same color make model. And how they are parked. All facing one direction.
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Hey the one car facing the other direction was shot with some bullets, what are the odds?
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N Number: 1903A
Last Action Date 2012-10-17
Airworthiness Date 2001-03-30 Expiration Date 2015-10-31
Manufacturer_Name BELL Model Name 407

Registrant Name CONNECTICUT STATE POLICE Street 1111 COUNTRY CLUB RD
Registrant City MIDDLETOWN Registrant State CT
Registrant Zip Code 064572389 Country UNITED STATES
Region New England Registrant Type Government
Fract Owner Certificate Issue Date 2001-11-27
Status N-Number Assigned and Registered

Serial Number 53475 Aircraft Type Rotorcraft
Mode S Code 50265355 Year Mfr 2001
Aircraft Category Land Builder Certification Type Certificated
Number Engines 1 Number Seats 7
Aircraft Weight CLASS 1 Aircraft Cruising Speed 0
Airworthiness Classification Standard Approved Operation Codes Normal

Engine Manufacturer ALLISON
Engine Model Name 250-C47 Engine Type Turbo-shaft
Engine Horsepower/Thrust 0 Fuel Consumed 0.00

[link to aviationdb.net]
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N Number: 1903A
Last Action Date 2012-10-17
Airworthiness Date 2001-03-30 Expiration Date 2015-10-31
Manufacturer_Name BELL Model Name 407

Registrant Name CONNECTICUT STATE POLICE Street 1111 COUNTRY CLUB RD
Registrant City MIDDLETOWN Registrant State CT
Registrant Zip Code 064572389 Country UNITED STATES
Region New England Registrant Type Government
Fract Owner Certificate Issue Date 2001-11-27
Status N-Number Assigned and Registered

Serial Number 53475 Aircraft Type Rotorcraft
Mode S Code 50265355 Year Mfr 2001
Aircraft Category Land Builder Certification Type Certificated
Number Engines 1 Number Seats 7
Aircraft Weight CLASS 1 Aircraft Cruising Speed 0
Airworthiness Classification Standard Approved Operation Codes Normal

Engine Manufacturer ALLISON
Engine Model Name 250-C47 Engine Type Turbo-shaft
Engine Horsepower/Thrust 0 Fuel Consumed 0.00

[link to aviationdb.net]
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"Last Action Date 2012-10-17"

??!!
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N Number: 1903A
Last Action Date 2012-10-17

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"Last Action Date 2012-10-17"

??!!
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I think that refers to aircraft engine rebuild. They have to be overhauled every aircraft engine every so many hours in the air. Like 5,000 hours or something like that.
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I did a search in the data base just for the zip code and the same aircraft came up 1903A.
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OK I did a search of the data base using the term "Connecticut State Police" and it turned up three helicopters

1 1903A 2012-10-17 BELL 407 53475
2 401SP 2011-11-14 BELL OH-58A 71-20412
3 402SP 2011-11-15 BELL OH-58A 70-15607

So it's possible that it could be one of these

N1903A, N401SP, OR N402SP

But the color scheme of N1903A matches the other two photo's
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I personally know one of the 4 pilots for that aircraft here in CT including one that returned from Afghanistan a few weeks ago in which I personally got to ask his feelings on the situation. He is very confused. His friends will not talk about the incident under gag order from LT Paul Vance.
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N Number: 1903A
Last Action Date 2012-10-17

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"Last Action Date 2012-10-17"

??!!
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I think that refers to aircraft engine rebuild. They have to be overhauled every aircraft engine every so many hours in the air. Like 5,000 hours or something like that.
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120 hours to be exact with routine checks every 30.
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Ct SP Helicopter was Trooper 1. It's mission was to provide air support and keep news helicopters at a certain distance. This is no secret. It usually has FLIR and all the other goodies to record some nice HD video the public will never see.

One source near scene said it indeed flew over about 9:45 a.m. I don't consider the source trustworthy so never believed it was that early. However, if it was on another mission at the time, it possible. I still don't buy it, being 9:45 a.m.
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N Number: 1903A
Last Action Date 2012-10-17
Airworthiness Date 2001-03-30 Expiration Date 2015-10-31
Manufacturer_Name BELL Model Name 407

Registrant Name CONNECTICUT STATE POLICE Street 1111 COUNTRY CLUB RD
Registrant City MIDDLETOWN Registrant State CT
Registrant Zip Code 064572389 Country UNITED STATES
Region New England Registrant Type Government
Fract Owner Certificate Issue Date 2001-11-27
Status N-Number Assigned and Registered

Serial Number 53475 Aircraft Type Rotorcraft
Mode S Code 50265355 Year Mfr 2001
Aircraft Category Land Builder Certification Type Certificated
Number Engines 1 Number Seats 7
Aircraft Weight CLASS 1 Aircraft Cruising Speed 0
Airworthiness Classification Standard Approved Operation Codes Normal

Engine Manufacturer ALLISON
Engine Model Name 250-C47 Engine Type Turbo-shaft
Engine Horsepower/Thrust 0 Fuel Consumed 0.00

[link to aviationdb.net]
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2001 BELL 407
Rotorcraft
(7 seats / 1 engine) CONNECTICUT STATE POLICE
MIDDLETOWN, CT
(Government) Standard/Normal 53475


[link to flightaware.com]


Well aint that convenient .....No photo of this chopper in data base....


[link to flightaware.com]
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If all three aircraft have the same color scheme then it could also be N401SP OR N402SP


Last Civil Registration: N402SP
Latest Owner Location: Connecticut State Police, Hartford CT
Airframe Family: Bell 206 / H-58 Jet Ranger
Latest Model: OH-58A
Last Military Serial: 70-15607 US Army
Construction Number: 41158


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OK I did a search of the data base using the term "Connecticut State Police" and it turned up three helicopters

1 1903A 2012-10-17 BELL 407 53475
2 401SP 2011-11-14 BELL OH-58A 71-20412
3 402SP 2011-11-15 BELL OH-58A 70-15607

So it's possible that it could be one of these

N1903A, N401SP, OR N402SP

But the color scheme of N1903A matches the other two photo's
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The other two are military surplus and have been grounded since before 2008.


the 407/Trooper one is the only operational aircraft with a operating cost of 200,000 in upkeep for every 1000 hours of flight and a $550,000 rebuild costs every 5000 hours of flight.

Last Edited by Chrit on 09/26/2013 08:55 PM
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We must all realize a sink a chair and a pillow are all luxuries of home and a soldiers helmet takes the place of all three.
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Dude, Sandy hook is a clean cut hoax.


NO VIDEO AT ALL OF 450 CHILDREN ALLEDGEDLY AT SCHOOL THAT DAY. - Only random images of very, very small groups of children or individuals.

NO VIDEO/PICS AT ALL OF "SHOOTER" OR CARNAGE INSIDE THE SCHOOL. Virtually every other shooting we have footage and pics, look at columbine.

PARENTS CLEARLY ACTING! Anyone who has lost a family member knows you don't laugh your ass off then suddenly choke up to give a press conference less than 24 hours later. Soto's family DID NOT lose a family member less than 24 hours earlier, when they're all up there laughing and giggling and sharing the good times and good memories. As someone who has saw a lot of death, I know this is IMPOSSIBLE.

GENE ROSEN ET AL - Very, very poor acting. Gene Rosen especially. The guy changes his story for every single interview. TRUTH = ONE STORY, and one story only. You never need to change it. Details are always the same. Where a traumatic or life altering event takes place, whatever details you remember you cling to bitterly, you don't change them like the wind.
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Two good pictures of the chopper. So this is it.

[link to farm4.staticflickr.com]

[link to www.dvincentphotography.com]
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The once popular CT State Police Trooper One helicopter is rarely used these days, according to a story by WFSB TV-3. The $2 million helicopter was first used in 2002, logging 490 missions that year for a total of 953 flight hours. In 2011 it was used on 42 missions for a total of 42 flight hours. The tight state budget is being blamed for the reduced hours of Trooper One, which had been used on many notable investigations. State Police union head Andy Matthews doesn't buy the budgetary explanation, claiming the state knew operating the chopper would be costly. A first selectman is concerned the lack of use may be compromising safety standards. A statement from Governor Dannel P. Malloy's office to TV-3 read "Trooper One is a state asset that has been used during many emergencies across the state and at this time will continue to be a resource."

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-PLEASE SHARE-

This was removed from youtube and then reposted.

RAW Helicopter Footage Before Sandy Hook HOAX

[link to www.youtube.com]

Chrissy Sumer
Helicopter Footage of Sandy Hook 12/14/12

[link to www.youtube.com]
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If this is footage from the CT State police chopper why is the video have a narrator?

If you turn off your right or left channel speakers the annoying sound goes away. It makes you wonder if that is put in there to cover for the fact the person narrating this vid is actually not in the air.
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I personally know one of the 4 pilots for that aircraft here in CT including one that returned from Afghanistan a few weeks ago in which I personally got to ask his feelings on the situation. He is very confused. His friends will not talk about the incident under gag order from LT Paul Vance.
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Thanks AC. What friends , or what kind of friends received a gag order
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I personally know one of the 4 pilots for that aircraft here in CT including one that returned from Afghanistan a few weeks ago in which I personally got to ask his feelings on the situation. He is very confused. His friends will not talk about the incident under gag order from LT Paul Vance.
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These gag orders are getting me down. What could they possible do to him if he speaks out. In Canada they have whistle blower protection laws. Don't they have anything like that in the United States of America.
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Annd, the Connecticut state police 911 calls aren't permitted in investigation, because most of the calls were landline..
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This is "News Chopper 12" video footage I scrounged up. Please watch it closely, I don't see many children, AT ALL, just a bunch of adults, a few children at the fire station, lots of close ups. I'll do some Time of Day estimates on this. We can see those WHITE CHAIRS at the fire station clearly in this video. We can see the cop with the dog, very clearly and he's in a different place, possibly coming onto the scene from the firehouse.

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]


At 1:46 we see Gene Rosen in the far left, upper portion of the screen as we zoom in, WSJ has a video that clearly shows Rosen in the parking lot, a great shot of him from the ground, at this very same time, question is, who was taking this video on the ground at this time? Here is the WSJ video where at 06:17 we see Rosen, in this footage on the ground that matches up with the "News 12" aerial footage at 1:46 :


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]


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See the full, original, HD resolution "Chopper 12 News" video under analysis in this presentation, see that original video in full here:

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CHOPPER 12: Newtown school shooting

Operates out of LongIsland

[link to westchester.news12.com]

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"Connecticut State Police" owns one chopper and "News 12" owns the other one. I think there's another one. An even earlier one that took video footage behind the firehouse of the rows of police cars. If it exists I will find it.


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