There REALLY IS something strange in western sky around sunset...!!!

Well earlier in this thread you said you were open to the possibility of it being a distant contrail.

What has changed?

Make your choice : [link to planefinder.net]

You´re probably right.
I´ll probably be ignoring your webcast, cause neither has the witnessed object shown up in you video nor have you shown evidence, that it is contrail.

You would do otherwise, if someone didn´t bring the proof they claimed to you.

And that´s already the bottomline.

Well it won't do your argument any harm if you check out the local flights, you do want the RIGHT answer out of this don't you?

YOU must be brain dead if you do not want to eliminate planes from the argument all together, its not rocket science dear

It does not matter why. Argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy.
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You're still not getting this. IT. DOES. NOT. MATTER.
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And again, it doesn't matter, but most of my threads have similarly low ratings. I do not care, it doesn't matter. This one was even lower than yesterday's thread:
Thread: Come see live video of comet Lovejoy! 9/14/13
Does that mean my video of Loveyjoy was fake? Nope. This one is also sitting at 2 stars:
Thread: Yes, I took these images of ISON. I didn't steal them, they were stolen from me.
Does that mean I stole my own photos? Nope.

Argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy. It doesn't matter WHY those threads were downvoted. Their low ratings do not mean that they are wrong or false.

and this is so similar to what people have been describing



If the angle was just slightly different it would be hard to detect the movement.. and also if it were climbing or descending it would play tricks on your ability to perceive its linear movement.

Takes a bigger person to admit they were wrong!

This makes zero sense. Why wouldn't this thread have existed 4 years ago then? Same time slots in remote points throughout the country in the same spot in the sky?

Reports are from people who have observed it over a period of time and would be able to tell a contrail.

Atmospheric conditions would have to be exactly the same in all these places across the country on subsequent nights for the contrail to appear the same at different places and times.

The shills have lost this. Their only hope now is to create a cluster in here so we can't really pay attention to new reports.

I´ll be back later.

Have good one everyone.
Even the "other camp".

I haven't even done the webcast yet, you just proved you're just biased against me and will willfully ignore any evidence that could contradict your beliefs. Congrats, you just sank your own ship.

More people opening there mouths, all self doubt gone. That is why.

Wow, you of all people, I didn't think you had it in you to admit you were wrong. Perhaps I misjudged you, or perhaps you just couldn't resist trolling me earlier with that "ISON is a hoax" crap, whatever the case, I apologize and thank you.

and if you line it up with a feature on the ground like the house you see in this case it moves simply too quickly to be an object far away .. like near or on the the sun!

WHY DOES EVERYONE CALL YOU ASSHOLETROLL ?

Or just the willful dismissal of any evidence that does not support her view. Ignorance is bliss though don't they say?

Well on a side note, people in Pennsylvania, have been seeing the most beautiful sunsets the last three nights. The color blue of the sky at sunset has been noticed by a lot of my facebook friends. It is like a blue lagoon color or the color when someone quotes someone on GLP, very cool looking, but many have said they haven't seen sunsets so spectacular as the last week or so. Its just one more of those things that make you go hmmmmmm.

man goes to the dr, to have him tell him, what is "wrong" with him ... after getting undressed, and the dr comes in, he describes his problem as a lump on his side

without even looking up from his chart at the patient, he dignoses it as cancer

the patient is baffeled, and asks - how can you make a diagnoses without even seeing it?

OH, says the dr, I have been hearing about this for years... I don't need to look, because what you have described, fits into the criteria of Cancer ... you have Cancer ... no question about it ... no tests necessary - we'll just schedule you for surgery - tomorrow


I am speaking from experience here... I went to four doctors to get a diagnoses and a prescription for Lyme's Disease ... because they ALL mis-diagnosed what I KNEW I had, because I SAW THE TICK AND THE BULL's EYE that identified it as something other than what they diagnosed ... When I finally did, go to a SPECIALIST who was aware of the 80% false NEG reports that clinical test were coming up with - and BELIEVED MY report - we got at it aggressively - but because of all the MIS-diagnoses, I was in a CRONIC state of agony - that was completely UN-necessary (and went on for two years) BECAUSE NO ONE WOULD LISTEN TO ME

what was a fairly easy dis-ease that could have been treated and cured, with a vet-grade antibiotic - threw me into unemployment and early retirement ... but none of the dr.s felt responsible for that ... and they still insist that their false diagnosis was correct

see any similarities here ....

There is a more "clinical" explanation that is more likely.

This video = off

This statement has no relevance at all, zero

Fucking truth.

Sunny, I was following this thread for days but left for a while. I get that "he who must not be named" thinks that what is being discussed is contrails, but as far as I know, contrails do not last for as long as a half-hour (or more) without significantly changing in appearance. In other words, all the contrails that I have seen first become longer and then become fainter until they disappear altogether, usually in just about 10-15 minutes or so, as contrails are, of course, vapor trails! Unless I have missed something, none of this seems to describe the "object" (whatever it is) being described by you and others.

Although I have not seen it (I haven't been looking for it) and I have no personal stake or opinion as to whether or not it is a contrail, satellite, rogue planet, or whatever -- what bothers me is why "some people" insist on rudely putting down and trying to shut down those who just want to learn the truth?

If we were talking about something that can easily be explained and is undisputed -- such as why the sun appears to move across the sky (duh) -- I can understand why someone would be so dismissive of "idiots" who cannot grasp something who just do not "get" that (although I still don't understand the need to be so rude).

But the fact remains that as far as I know, this "mystery" is not yet solved, so I think that for anyone to claim they know what it is without offering a LOT more proof is someone who is superemely arrogant, to put it as nicely as I can.


P.S. And for any Stephen King fans reading this, doesn't "he who must not be named" remind you of Harold Lauder in The Stand? Maybe not in appearance, but in personality, as it comes across on threads? (Hint: Very "brainy" and extremely condescending to others, but zero I.Q. when it comes to social skills and "likeability".)

WHAT EVIDENCE ... all the evidence (of two hundred eye-witnesses) reveal that it ISN'T a plane and Astro has provided nothing but pictures of planes ... it is not so much as "self-doubt" as it is being OPEN-MINDED ... but frankly "I ain't got time fo dat" to investigate what I KNOW it ISN'T ... but if someone could prove to me that what I am seeing, IS a plane, then I would be extremely RELIEVED - and I believe we all would be ... obviously you haven't seen it either eh?



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Listen from 9:10. If this is ment for you. The race Nordics come from the planet Despora.

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How many pages?? Oo

Be your own astronomer. Stop wasting time and get off your asses.

Shills are like hamsters on a wheel in here. Getting nowhere and losing traction. [link to www.youtube.com]

ASTRO have you ever been tempted to say..


Guys actually upon further inspection it IS nibiru!
And then have some amusement of colossal proportions..
Go on it would be so damn funny!

I am going to bring science into this issue. UNLIKE ASTRSO who just trolls and insults and dawgs.

Until EACH individual object is identified then it is a UFO or a unidentified Trolled Object, UTO.

A commercial plane travels around 500mph.

From the top of Mt. Diablo in the middle* of California you can see the Sierra Nevada mountain range on the far east of CA and San Fransisco on the far west of CA.

From the Sierras to San Francisco is 188 miles. If you had super vision and stood atop mt Diablo at 4000ft elevation, it would only take you around 20 minutes to observe a plane traveling at 500mph to make the trip!

So to claim that a small white smudge is a persistent contrail means that a plan would have to produce a contrail for a short amount of time and then produce NO CONTRAIL.

Because for a contrail to span a few degrees across the horizon would only take A FEW MINUTES TO PRODUCE.



See, at 500 mph a plane travels across this field of view in around 2 minutes.

3 options remain for why a plane would make just a short burst of contrail.

1. Atmospheric conditions went from non-favorable, to favorable, then back to non-favorable for a persisting (20 minutes observed) contrail. Perhaps a small column of colder or more humid air.

2. The plane changed altitudes with the same -,+,- effect.


3. the Plane has chemtrail sprayers and switched them on for a minute or 2.


Even if it is a burst of contrail one would still have to explain why it maintains its shape and symmetry. Over 20 minutes I would definitely expect such a short burst of
contrail to dissipate and drift.