There REALLY IS something strange in western sky around sunset...!!!

Actually, he is making the people who were posting genuine sightings look foolish by association.

How did the observation go last night Cassandra?

When will you be posting the photos?

According to the Astronomy Masters on this thread, you and 150 other people have either seen (a) the same busy plane scurrying across the western horizon at sunset all over the world, leaving a contrail that takes 39 minutes or more to disappear or (b) Venus.

Nothing to worry your pretty little head over, just move along now. And don't bother looking up at the skies again until you have a Phd in astronomy, okay?

Thanks for checking in. The skies were clear for most of the day. I packed up my gear and headed to the top of the valley to my friend's house around 5:30. About 45 minutes before sunset clouds started rolling in. By nightfall, we couldn't see anything. Rain this morning, and it hasn't let up. My viewing opportunities really suck.

Last Edited by Cassandra's Echo on 10/16/2013 06:32 PM

No one has ever said it was the same plane. No one has ever said to not look at the skies. Why do these same untruths keep getting posted in this thread?

It's what she does.

Because if she were honest she wouldn't be able to make condescending dishonest posts like that.

I see.

What do you think of 3rdEye's photos?

Is this what people are seeing?

That's par for the course for him:
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It's Venus you tards...

The idea it is a contrail is so stupid as to defy logic. By "same" it is meant same position in the sky in geographically and atmospherically varied locations. The concept that people in Maine, Montana, Oregon and Texas could all be seeing different planes that appear to be in the same position in the sky and appearing basically the same is a ridiculous proposition.

Cassandra specifically said "The same busy plane scurrying across the western horizon at sunset all over the world", meaning just one plane doing it.

In all fairness, did my sarcasm really escape you? I suppose I should have written j/k or inserted a goofy smiley.

In any event, I shall re-phrase my statement for the more serious-minded among us (who are surely in short supply at this point in the thread);

(a) contrails left by a plane or planes in approximately the same location (western horizon), shortly before sunset. And this is the kicker: the contrail just sits there and doesn't dissipate until the sun sets.



Okay, once again: it's called humor. Of course no one was instructed to not look at the skies. However, we have been repeatedly informed that when we do look at the skies we are usually mis-identifying objects, taking pictures of street lights and such, and we don't even know how to use calibrate and correctly use the astronomy apps on our devices. So no, we can still look at the skies, but if we report back on this thread about what we are seeing we are frequently made to feel like idiots, liars, trolls and low-lives because we lack the "requisite" astronomical expertise and expensive optics.

With all due respect, this is not an "untruth". This is my personal observation and opinion.

Yup. Here's one I posted on 10/05/2013 - Thread: There REALLY IS something strange in western sky around sunset...!!! (Page 18) 2 days before the other one. Same ground scenery just a wider FOV. His entire argument is silly. Stellarium shows a simulated view of the SKY, not what your yard looks like...LOL. The object in question was shown to be Venus. He didn't like that so he claimed I faked the photo. I didn't. He has been caught in a lie.


edit: link fixed.

Last Edited by BoxerLvr on 10/16/2013 06:50 PM

Oh, please...have you ever taken the time to review the tone of your responses to anyone who repeatedly disagrees with you?

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Sheesh.

Hypocrisy, thy name is Astro!

You may be wasting your time here. This person takes themselves waaaaay to seriously to be on a conspiracy website...

Why is it ridiculous .....

Here in Scotland, at sunset, I see jet plane contrails, of all sizes at varying distances which make the trails long or short !

its the same for anyplace in the world at sunset where jets fly FFS !!!

Its Contrails or Venus for almost everyone on this thread......

Bro. What you are taking a picture of is filter flares. Cover the damn sun with your finger, then post your pictures here......

Welcome to my world...LMAO!

I figured you may have.

He likes "proofs". He was just proved wrong again. We both know this will do nothing to change his behavior.

I didn't pick trees to match. That didn't even cross my mind. What would that even matter? I showed him what the SKY looked like on that date and it matched his photo. Are you seriously trying to say that because the generic tree line in Stellarium didn't match the trees in his backyard, that I didn't prove it was Venus? Are you kidding me?

Stellarium shows a simulated view of the SKY, not what your yard looks like...LOL. If you had any reading comprehension at all, you would have known the other poster was picking about the tree line. I think in your haste to post something negative about me you misread his post and now you're too chicken**** to admit you were wrong.

Last Edited by BoxerLvr on 10/16/2013 07:38 PM

Do you have reading comprehension issues? I answered your question.

Yes, I do humor quite a bit. You should try it sometime. Or are you not allowed to mix business with pleasure while you're working a thread? LOL. Ahh, see? That was more humor.

But in all seriousness, Seth, these repeated character assassination attempts strike me as eerily similar to those used by government agencies to discredit those with alternative viewpoints that challenge mainstream perspectives. You repeatedly point to one instance in my entire history of posting on this site, and rely on it ad nauseam to support the proposition that I am a liar and a terminally dishonest person. You strike me as an intelligent (albeit dogmatic and close-minded individual). Surely you know that one instance is not sufficient to sustain a pattern or to support a reason for assigning any person or thing with a descriptive quality or trait, no?

To wit, Iet's say that I am gay and have a very conservative, religious family that has no clue about my sexuality. Let's further imagine that my mother has repeatedly expressed that nothing would distress her more than to learn that one of her children is gay. Now, in this hypothetical I am a person who doesn't make a practice of lying and has never lied to my mother about anything. Now, let's say that one of my friends off-handedly mentions in my mother's presence that I am gay. Because I not only feel that my sexuality is not her business, but because I also know that the answer would cause her great distress, I deny that I am gay. Now, if you did not know me and were only examining my behavior as a single snapshot in time, you - being the extrapolator-of-character that you apparently are - would assume that I am a habitual liar. And you would be wrong. Because you would be judging my character based on one single incident. And it would be most unfortunate if you lived your life this way, assuming that you can accurately assess someone's character based on a single incident - let alone an incident occurring in the middle of a flame-war on a volatile conspiracy website.

I hope you can appreciate my point here.

That said, I would like to turn your attention to a pattern that I have noticed: you and your "side" (as Astro is fond of saying) are mind-numbingly quick to accuse many in this thread of being dishonest. Sunny, 3rd Eye, me - the people with whom you have had some of the most lengthy and combative discourse are, in the words of those on your "side", liars. And we are people whom you have repeatedly spent time engaging over the course of what is rapidly-approaching a 200-page thread.

So now, Honest Abe, let's see some of that integrity on display. Answer a simple question for me: Why would you - a person of supposedly high moral values - waste your time repeatedly engaging dishonest people who spew untruths?. Because I think that is a question that is far more relevant to anyone on this thread than the question of why I would deny knowing a rabid believer of Planet X who friended me years ago before he went off the deep end and sequestered himself and his family in caves somewhere in the Ozarks. And if you were being honest with yourself and everyone else here, I think you would admit that you have an agenda that you are not sharing with us. And THAT, my friend, is the much more problematic issue of character that I and many other see here - because my refusal to acknowledge my relationship with a GLP "friend" has no bearing on what people are seeing in the skies, but your lack of transparency about your true motives for being here have far greater implications.

I would put this question to anyone on this thread: if you realized that the person you are dealing with is thoroughly untrustworthy, how much of your valuable time would you spend discussing ANYTHING with them? Who among us continues to chat up acquaintances who are pathological liars?

Since you are a very honest person, Seth, I would like a very honest answer :-)

Last Edited by Cassandra's Echo on 10/16/2013 09:05 PM

That's just it: people are reporting a contrail of a remarkably similar size and length: very short.

And here's something else I'd like to know about the contrails in our area/ do they dissipate in 10 minutes or 30 minutes? Do they simply fade as the sun sets?

Last Edited by Cassandra's Echo on 10/16/2013 07:30 PM

The pics of the very short contrails are Jets facing towards or away from you. They will last until the Jet is out of view or the sun has set and no longer illuminate the trail

It's a neat theory, but the two people I know personally who saw this "contrail" say that there was no plane moving ahead of it.

We have a good point here to observe and keep in mind.

Do contrails simply fade out and disappear, simply because the sun no longer illuminates them?

tofino bc canada here.

... we face japan.

we have seen this in the west sky at sunset for the past 2 years. we are sea level. it is an absolute beautiful thing to see.

there ae no planes here. we are quite remote.

we are on the far most west side side of vancouver island, the pacific ocean.

i have no pics, but i have nothing to prove to anyone.

... i have front row seats.

I'm sure the Astro Crew can rustle up videos of contrails hanging in the sky for 30 minutes and fading when the sun no longer illuminates them. And you know what that means, boys and girls: it's time for another webcast!!