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SunnyDaze  User ID: 25159884  United States10/08/2013 02:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm sort of confused as to where this is supposed to be. I gather left of Venus but on the horizon below Venus. What position? Like if Venus was the center of a clock? Quoting: TheStreetProphet right of Venus - more than half way to where the sun-sets on the horizon WSW (more west than south) ... low in the sky (less than an inch above it) depending on where your POV is, it can be seen on the left, above and to the right of the place where the sun sets ... what determines if you are seeing the object being discussed, is - when you magnify your eyes perspective of it with a scope or binoculars - you WILL see a "fiery V" Last Edited by SunnyDaze on 10/08/2013 02:19 PM |
| #Geomagnetic_Storm# User ID: 44557506 United States10/08/2013 02:19 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Guys seriously don't let them bury this video this is the one, both objects !! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45796083 5.48 the comet like object then another object (Venus) But we have both objects in one shot.. Nice, as you can see, @ 5.30 of the video above, "Venus Planet" is easy spotted even with the camera. Normally it was visibile 30 minutes after sunset with naked eyes only. That confirm my previous post about that object is more bright than ever these days. ++++ :noducks: |
| mehitable lives User ID: 5608606 United States10/08/2013 02:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think it behooves all of us to get out there for the next week or two as much as we can and weather permits, to try to find and observe this object. We probably should have telescopes or binoculars, zoom lens and be prepared to photograph or video. Also we should try to be aware of the positions and timing of known objects like Venus, Saturn, or stars in advance. It sounds like the zoom is critical for identification of mystery object though as it apparently magnifies into the flaming "V" aspect that seems unique. I understand object is to left of Sun just above the horizon, maybe up to 10 degrees above at sunset. Sunnydaze has given some good directions, hopefully she can repost, but she may be sick of telling us over and over, LOL. Thanks for doing all this, SD. |
| BoxerLvr User ID: 1299792  Puerto Rico10/08/2013 02:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi Guys, Quoting: parra I sent Astro a message asking him if he could shed any light on this subject, His reply was " Venus " Wow, guess I was wrong about him. I really did respect him. The one thing we know FOR SURE is the object in question IS NOT Venus.... Object in question? Eveyone is talking about different objects anyway. They can't even agree on the location. Some say low, some say high. Some say to the left of this, others say no it's to the right. Some say it's visible for a few minutes, while others say it's visible for 2 hours after sunset or even all night. Some are seeing Venus. Some are seeing contrails. Some are talking about Arcturus, and others Antares. This thread is all over the place. It is precisely because it is fashionable for Americans to know no science, even though they may be well educated otherwise, that they so easily fall prey to nonsense. They thus become part of the armies of the night, the purveyors of nitwittery, the retailers of intellectual junk food, the feeders on mental cardboard, for their ignorance keeps them from distinguishing nectar from sewage. — Isaac Asimov |
| mehitable lives User ID: 5608606 United States10/08/2013 02:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Getto Monk made a post...... Is getto a shill that runs this site, if you think so why are you here? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47981579 Why should astro run to our aid in his own free time just to be treated like shit? Please be polite, it is kind. He is not paid to help us. No good deed goes unpunished and the more you give for free the more they demand. I know, I rebuilt and repaired houses for charity cases. What a wast of my life. One day astro will have had enough and then we will beg, where is astro? You won't be missing anything. He's just a living version of Google Sky. Google sky doesn't provide live images of objects in space. Nor does it provide the kind of high quality analyses that I provide. LMAO!!!!!!!!!! I must admit, you are a funny bastard, lol. |
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| mehitable lives User ID: 5608606 United States10/08/2013 02:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, I'm leaving the thread for now, good luck everyone, happy hunting, and I hope we all come up with something interesting. While on the one hand, I would love to see a true anomaly as I love the unusual and bizarre, it would be reassuring for our future history if it turns out to be not much, lol. But as they said in that great movie "The Thing"... KEEP WATCHING THE SKIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 17989851 United States10/08/2013 02:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | (COM - as in commercial airlines - Trail - white billowing vapors flowing from and behind the airplane - one or two inches) Quoting: SunnyDaze Contrail: contraction of "condensation trail" [link to en.wikipedia.org] It doesn't have to be a commercial airliner. |
| Setheory User ID: 22372062 United States10/08/2013 02:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Saturn and Mercury are now within this circle, but they are NOT the object. Is this description understandable? NO - Saturn and Mercury ARE NOT "within this circle" - not EVEN CLOSE TO THEM ... is that clear - they are not in the same location as these planets .... not in the same "frame" but more than two "frames" to the north of them the object looks LIKE this - this may or may not be it, but this is what it looks very much like, when magnified at least 50x [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] still waiting for our experts to show us their "com-trail" pictures that look like the one above - for comparison Let me point out that the fact that this “object” is being seen in widely different spots in the sky in relationship to Venus essentially means that this cannot be a celestial object. |
| Bluepill User ID: 1367264 United States10/08/2013 02:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think it behooves all of us to get out there for the next week or two as much as we can and weather permits, to try to find and observe this object. We probably should have telescopes or binoculars, zoom lens and be prepared to photograph or video. Also we should try to be aware of the positions and timing of known objects like Venus, Saturn, or stars in advance. It sounds like the zoom is critical for identification of mystery object though as it apparently magnifies into the flaming "V" aspect that seems unique. Quoting: mehitable lives I understand object is to left of Sun just above the horizon, maybe up to 10 degrees above at sunset. Sunnydaze has given some good directions, hopefully she can repost, but she may be sick of telling us over and over, LOL. Thanks for doing all this, SD. We're definitely of the same mindset. Draw line from moon to horizon, this will be south of the sunset. Then head north to a little past midway point from moon line to sunset spot and up a finger's breath (or 10 degrees) and you should have the area of interest, if I understand sunnydaze correctly. By the way SUNNYDAZE, I am very impressed with your patience, persistence and well thought out comments...a real inspiration. Last Edited by Bluepill on 10/08/2013 02:29 PM |
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| Bluepill User ID: 1367264 United States10/08/2013 02:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I look at the sky, every night that its clear here (south louisiana) I have 5 telescopes of various powers. I have seen no comet or asteroid in the west/sw sky. If youre looking at the horizon when the sun is set, and a jet is flying the same direction... the contrails will be gold or pink, the underbelly of the jet will gleam brightly too. It will have the illusion of being stationary in the sky also if its traveling away from you into the sunset. Is it still there? I see nothing last two evenings. Quoting: keschete 24428308 So all these people are seeing the same comtrail? Good grief man, that's the same mentality as saying building 7 collapsed by office fires...sheesh |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 48073641  Sweden10/08/2013 02:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lol, they don't WANT to understand it! It would disrupt their orderly view of how the universe operates. It would be an anomaly and there is nothing "science" HATES more than an anomaly. Something that is new and unpredictable and unexpected. Scientists have been driven out of fields for positing new ideas and theories. Most science is about repeating and observable patterns - which is fine and understandable as far as it goes - but it doesn't have any room for anomalies, or for cycles that are so lengthy or unpredictable that go beyond modern human experience. Quoting: mehitable lives I work in the field of science and can tell you that is total nonsense. Much of science focuses on anomalies because if they can be understood, they can greatly accelerate the learning process. Shortcuts if you will. In fact my favorite science quote is: "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'" - Isaac Asimov What science hates more than anything is theories and hypothesizes that are inconsistent with data. I've generalized and maybe it's not true in your specific field, whatever it is. And you might also be too close to the situation to even recognize the attitudes I'm describing. I worked with scientists - top level scientists - at a top level university in hard core sciences (not sociology, etc), and I observed these attitudes...EVERY DAY. And I also observed FIRST HAND how scientists treat a maverick who doesn't go along with the theories of the herd. I SAW THIS PERSONALLY. and of course we can go through history and pull out many examples of this. That particular scientist is being proven right in his maverick status although it took many years for that to happen, but he suffered some real persecution and belittlement for theories - certainly no collegial discussion of different theories or ideas. It was very political and you were supposed to go along with the majority opinion. And that's one of the dirty little secrets of "science". It´s not only in science. People in many so called educated areas feel and think they are superiour. Better than people without higher education. It is a norm in our society. |
| BoxerLvr User ID: 1249633 Puerto Rico10/08/2013 02:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Got it !! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45796083 5.48 Object and the second object claimed as venus !! Best video YET !!!! Watched it. All I see are distant contrails and Venus. It is precisely because it is fashionable for Americans to know no science, even though they may be well educated otherwise, that they so easily fall prey to nonsense. They thus become part of the armies of the night, the purveyors of nitwittery, the retailers of intellectual junk food, the feeders on mental cardboard, for their ignorance keeps them from distinguishing nectar from sewage. — Isaac Asimov |
| DVCMCM User ID: 38180304  Italy10/08/2013 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Got it !! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45796083 5.48 Object and the second object claimed as venus !! Best video YET !!!! Watched it. All I see are distant contrails and Venus.  Last Edited by IWASTHERE on 10/08/2013 02:38 PM |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 48073641 Sweden10/08/2013 02:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Setheory 22372062 I work in the field of science and can tell you that is total nonsense. Much of science focuses on anomalies because if they can be understood, they can greatly accelerate the learning process. Shortcuts if you will. In fact my favorite science quote is: "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'" - Isaac Asimov What science hates more than anything is theories and hypothesizes that are inconsistent with data. I've generalized and maybe it's not true in your specific field, whatever it is. And you might also be too close to the situation to even recognize the attitudes I'm describing. I worked with scientists - top level scientists - at a top level university in hard core sciences (not sociology, etc), and I observed these attitudes...EVERY DAY. And I also observed FIRST HAND how scientists treat a maverick who doesn't go along with the theories of the herd. I SAW THIS PERSONALLY. and of course we can go through history and pull out many examples of this. That particular scientist is being proven right in his maverick status although it took many years for that to happen, but he suffered some real persecution and belittlement for theories - certainly no collegial discussion of different theories or ideas. It was very political and you were supposed to go along with the majority opinion. And that's one of the dirty little secrets of "science". If I am honest, I must admit some of the politics and attitudes you describe can certainly be found in the universities. Generally it’s not the norm however. 90% of the scientists I have worked with always want their work to be consistent with the data and see anomalies as opportunities. AND, the sicentisty who posits unusual theories is often ridiculed and mocked for going against the norm. Even if later that scientist is 100% vindicated the community will still attack and deride them. It is called jealousy. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 47981579 United States10/08/2013 02:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For over 15 years sheep have been calling wolf every October when Venus comes around as another pointed out with copies of year by year when we deal with this. I for one am looking for the real planet X as I think astro and the rest of you also are. Let be nice and check this out. |
| BoxerLvr User ID: 1249633 Puerto Rico10/08/2013 02:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Got it !! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45796083 5.48 Object and the second object claimed as venus !! Best video YET !!!! Watched it. All I see are distant contrails and Venus. What do you find strange about that? It's not even uncommon to see it in broad daylight. In fact, I spotted Venus at 2:30pm yesterday and posted about it - Thread: There REALLY IS something strange in western sky around sunset...!!! (Page 74) It is precisely because it is fashionable for Americans to know no science, even though they may be well educated otherwise, that they so easily fall prey to nonsense. They thus become part of the armies of the night, the purveyors of nitwittery, the retailers of intellectual junk food, the feeders on mental cardboard, for their ignorance keeps them from distinguishing nectar from sewage. — Isaac Asimov |
Dr. Astro Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States10/08/2013 02:48 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Dr. Astro That hasn't been established. Unless you count "west" as a general "position" as "good enough." Of course it will be in the west at sunset, that's where it will have to be for the setting sun to properly illuminate the contrail as seen. Let me try to give you approx. RA/DC. Which state are you now? Florida. Your local time of sunset: approx 18:57 Values in RA/DC (J2000) are approximations. The object is most likely with the concentric area with a center point P1 and a radius point P2, on the circumfence. The distance P1-P2 therefore gives you the radius of the circle. P1 : RA 14h 12m 53s / DC -10 16' 23" (it is HIP 69427) P2 : RA 14h 50m 52 / DC -16 02' 31" (it is Zubenelgenubi; HIP 72622) Saturn and Mercury are now within this circle, but they are NOT the object. Is this description understandable? It would have been easier if you had just said an area centered on 14hr 12m 53s, -10d 16' 23" with a radius of about 10.8 degrees. If I did the math right, that is the radius and location of the circle you described. So in other words, you want this area of the sky, right (blue circle)? [link to img716.imageshack.us] I can oblige that. Last Edited by Astromut on 10/08/2013 02:49 PM  |
| Dr. Astro Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States10/08/2013 02:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi Guys, Quoting: parra I sent Astro a message asking him if he could shed any light on this subject, His reply was " Venus " Wow, guess I was wrong about him. I really did respect him. The one thing we know FOR SURE is the object in question IS NOT Venus.... Object in question? Eveyone is talking about different objects anyway. They can't even agree on the location. Some say low, some say high. Some say to the left of this, others say no it's to the right. Some say it's visible for a few minutes, while others say it's visible for 2 hours after sunset or even all night. Some are seeing Venus. Some are seeing contrails. Some are talking about Arcturus, and others Antares. This thread is all over the place.  Bingo, exactly right Boxer! |
| SunnyDaze User ID: 25159884 United States10/08/2013 02:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think it behooves all of us to get out there for the next week or two as much as we can and weather permits, to try to find and observe this object. We probably should have telescopes or binoculars, zoom lens and be prepared to photograph or video. Also we should try to be aware of the positions and timing of known objects like Venus, Saturn, or stars in advance. It sounds like the zoom is critical for identification of mystery object though as it apparently magnifies into the flaming "V" aspect that seems unique. Quoting: mehitable lives I understand object is to left of Sun just above the horizon, maybe up to 10 degrees above at sunset. Sunnydaze has given some good directions, hopefully she can repost, but she may be sick of telling us over and over, LOL. Thanks for doing all this, SD. no problem, my only intent is for EVERYONE to see it ... because it may be a "once in a lifetime" event - at the very least it is well worth walking outside at sunset to take a look. at this point I would be relieved to find that it is something explainable ... the fact that it is close enough to the earth to give us all a different POV of its location is very unsettling - that along with the fact that it has been seen for a very long time - in the same spot, is just a little frightening - I think that we all would love for someone to resolve this mystery ... by providing their own evidence. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 48073641 Sweden10/08/2013 02:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thread: Venus is just WAY too bright!!!! Venus is Nibiru, Anunaki return imminent!!!!! Quoting: Dr. Astro Thread: venus is way to bright right now Thread: Anyone Wondering Why Venus Is So Bright In The Sky Tonight??? Thread: Was Venus ever this bright before? Just the tip of the iceberg of old threads making that claim, all of which are older than my thread on the subject. BUT! Did anybody ever get the same feeling looking at Venus, or whatever, as people who see THIS thing get? People get WEIRD FEELINGS! This fact is actually the most important. Why is that so incredibly difficult to understand? Are you going to be out looking for this object tonight yourself? I am not a sky watcher. Never done that. Could not see what is Venus or this or that. I just read this thread with great interest and actually READ what people feel. I recognise a pattern. Do you? By the way. Somebody said it is seen in the morning here in Scandinavia. I dunno. |
| Dr. Astro Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States10/08/2013 02:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Saturn and Mercury are now within this circle, but they are NOT the object. Is this description understandable? NO - Saturn and Mercury ARE NOT "within this circle" - not EVEN CLOSE TO THEM ... is that clear - they are not in the same location as these planets .... not in the same "frame" but more than two "frames" to the north of them the object looks LIKE this - this may or may not be it, but this is what it looks very much like, when magnified at least 50x [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] still waiting for our experts to show us their "com-trail" pictures that look like the one above - for comparison So you're saying the circle he described is wrong? Would you people please make up your minds where you claim this object to be? See, this is why I'm just going to show the whole damn western sky and you can tell me what thing to point at during the webcast. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 17989851 United States10/08/2013 02:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | at this point I would be relieved to find that it is something explainable ... the fact that it is close enough to the earth to give us all a different POV of its location is very unsettling - that along with the fact that it has been seen for a very long time - in the same spot, is just a little frightening - I think that we all would love for someone to resolve this mystery ... by providing their own evidence. Quoting: SunnyDaze Does that include accepting that people are seeing contrails in the distance at sunset if Astro's telescope shows that? |
| #Geomagnetic_Storm# User ID: 44557506 United States10/08/2013 02:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Saturn and Mercury are now within this circle, but they are NOT the object. Is this description understandable? NO - Saturn and Mercury ARE NOT "within this circle" - not EVEN CLOSE TO THEM ... is that clear - they are not in the same location as these planets .... not in the same "frame" but more than two "frames" to the north of them the object looks LIKE this - this may or may not be it, but this is what it looks very much like, when magnified at least 50x [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] still waiting for our experts to show us their "com-trail" pictures that look like the one above - for comparison So you're saying the circle he described is wrong? Would you people please make up your minds where you claim this object to be? See, this is why I'm just going to show the whole damn western sky and you can tell me what thing to point at during the webcast. They can't! All of these pages I have been on, they keep saying different locations and none of them can make up their minds to the exact location of the contrails or Venus they are seeing. |
| SunnyDaze User ID: 25159884 United States10/08/2013 02:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi Guys, Quoting: parra I sent Astro a message asking him if he could shed any light on this subject, His reply was " Venus " Wow, guess I was wrong about him. I really did respect him. The one thing we know FOR SURE is the object in question IS NOT Venus.... Object in question? Eveyone is talking about different objects anyway. They can't even agree on the location. Some say low, some say high. Some say to the left of this, others say no it's to the right. Some say it's visible for a few minutes, while others say it's visible for 2 hours after sunset or even all night. Some are seeing Venus. Some are seeing contrails. Some are talking about Arcturus, and others Antares. This thread is all over the place. Bingo, exactly right Boxer! yes... and this is what makes it so mysterious - because - no matter WHERE YOU see it in the sky - it is THERE AGAIN the next night, and the night after .... my own experience with "perspectives" has revealed, that each individual has their own, unless they are standing in the exact spot as another .... certainly that is not difficult for anyone to understand ... and we are all seeing it from a DIFFERENT perspective ... the fact that we may be seeing it in a different place in the sky - is what is alarming - because, to me, that means that it is VERY CLOSE |
| Dr. Astro Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States10/08/2013 02:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] Quoting: SunnyDaze still waiting for our experts to show us their "com-trail" pictures that look like the one above - for comparison Oh, and it's called a "contrail," not a "com-trail." And here's other examples: [link to contrailscience.com] |
| BoxerLvr User ID: 1249633 Puerto Rico10/08/2013 02:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Your local time of sunset: approx 18:57 Values in RA/DC (J2000) are approximations. The object is most likely with the concentric area with a center point P1 and a radius point P2, on the circumfence. The distance P1-P2 therefore gives you the radius of the circle. P1 : RA 14h 12m 53s / DC -10 16' 23" (it is HIP 69427) P2 : RA 14h 50m 52 / DC -16 02' 31" (it is Zubenelgenubi; HIP 72622) Saturn and Mercury are now within this circle, but they are NOT the object. Is this description understandable? It would have been easier if you had just said an area centered on 14hr 12m 53s, -10d 16' 23" with a radius of about 10.8 degrees. If I did the math right, that is the radius and location of the circle you described. So in other words, you want this area of the sky, right (blue circle)? [link to img716.imageshack.us] I can oblige that. Hey Astro, just a heads up. This thread started with people misidentifying Venus. Since then, we have astrometrically solved some posted images proving the object was Venus. I think most agree now that the bright object in the SW at sunset is Venus. Now, the object has become distant contrails at sunset (v shaped object), which explains why people are reporting it in different locations. It is precisely because it is fashionable for Americans to know no science, even though they may be well educated otherwise, that they so easily fall prey to nonsense. They thus become part of the armies of the night, the purveyors of nitwittery, the retailers of intellectual junk food, the feeders on mental cardboard, for their ignorance keeps them from distinguishing nectar from sewage. — Isaac Asimov |
| #Geomagnetic_Storm# User ID: 44557506 United States10/08/2013 03:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] Quoting: SunnyDaze still waiting for our experts to show us their "com-trail" pictures that look like the one above - for comparison Oh, and it's called a "contrail," not a "com-trail." And here's other examples: [link to contrailscience.com] |
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