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OBAMACARE Reality Shockwave Has BEGUN...

 
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I am in Washington state and their exchange website is *sort of* up and running. It lets you plug in basic information (age, smoker or no, pregnant or no, income level) without registering.

Even though I have coverage already, I decided to see what would be offered to my family as affordable.

I plunked in our ages, (41, 42, 19) our income, 50k-ish. Non smoking, no pregnancy.

I was invited to view 17 different plans, from several providers. At first, I thought one of the HSA plans was fairly affordable. It listed a monthly premium of $182, and a deductible of $5,250.

The deductible seemed a little high, but our current plan is an HSA so the number didn't really surprise me.

This is what did-
When I clicked view plan details, I realized that the premium quoted me was per individual.

The cheapest plan available to me was nearly $600 a month, with a family deductible of $10,500 per year.

Obscene. Obscene. This is going to crush so many people.
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It may be cheaper to get divorced and live together. Also have the kid get a minimal part time job. You might get a free phone as a bonus.
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I just saw a repost from a Facebook page - An alleged comment on the Affordable Care Act FB page states that a person had signed up online, under the $45-55,000 income range, pre-existing condition of type I diabetes. They chose the "Silver" plan...

Their premium came back as $597 per month, with an almost $14,000 annual deductible! And when the person clicked the "opt out" option, they shortly received an e-mail stating that their fine would be $4,037, and could be attached to their annual tax return. And if you don't have the $4,037 on time, then the repercussions for non-payment begin with your drivers license being suspended until the fine is paid, and if it goes 24 months without payment, a tax lien is placed on you property. It gives you the option to provide your bank info so your penalties can be withdrawn weekly, or biweekly, etc.

damned

That comes out to about $350/month for not opting in, or $597 plus pretty much all your medical expenses for the year out of pocket (deductible) - unless you have some type of major surgery or catstrophic illness, which you then get to cough up $14,000 plus your monthly payments for. If you get that sick, do they suddenly put you on the financial assistance/reduced raters, since you obviously cannot work?
 Quoting: Geo777


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Not that I like Obamacare, but I like disinfo even less

In 2014, the penalty will be the greater of 1.0% of taxable income or $95 per adult and $47.50 per child (up to $285 per family).

In 2015, the penalty will be the greater of 2.0% of taxable income or $325 per adult and $162.50 per child (up to $975 per family).

In 2016, the penalty will be at the greater of 2.5% of taxable income or $695 per adult and $347.50 per child (up to $$2,085 per family).

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10393879


either way...A forced tax on those who choose not to have it..is that what you call freedom of choice? or extortion?
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I just saw a repost from a Facebook page - An alleged comment on the Affordable Care Act FB page states that a person had signed up online, under the $45-55,000 income range, pre-existing condition of type I diabetes. They chose the "Silver" plan...

Their premium came back as $597 per month, with an almost $14,000 annual deductible! And when the person clicked the "opt out" option, they shortly received an e-mail stating that their fine would be $4,037, and could be attached to their annual tax return. And if you don't have the $4,037 on time, then the repercussions for non-payment begin with your drivers license being suspended until the fine is paid, and if it goes 24 months without payment, a tax lien is placed on you property. It gives you the option to provide your bank info so your penalties can be withdrawn weekly, or biweekly, etc.

damned

That comes out to about $350/month for not opting in, or $597 plus pretty much all your medical expenses for the year out of pocket (deductible) - unless you have some type of major surgery or catstrophic illness, which you then get to cough up $14,000 plus your monthly payments for. If you get that sick, do they suddenly put you on the financial assistance/reduced raters, since you obviously cannot work?
 Quoting: Geo777


all lies

Feds can not revoke your drivers license.

The DMV is run at the state level.

Same poster also claimed he didn't have to provide a SS# when in fact you do.

Just more Tea Party ludicrous bullshit lies to try and discredit Obamacare once again.

The poster who made those comments doesn't even have a FB account anymore.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43021779


Bullshit, this is not all lies.

Ask any parent whom is behind on child support what AUTOMATICALLY kicks in -

Passport revoked, bank accounts frozen, license suspended, tax refunds intercepted, and all assets SEIZED.

No judge, no jury, no trial.

Also, I was listening to a radio program today and a woman who takes care of her disabled husband stated that she would manage the finances for the past 5 years and would always call to make sure his pension money was deposited.


For the first time EVER, she claimed she called to check on the status of the funds as she does every month for years but this time she was informed that THE TAX REFUND OR TAX DISBURSEMENT was now available.

Somehow, the classification of her husbands pension has now been renamed.

She was frantic asking if that means that now since the government or SOMEONE changed the status, could it be seized?

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While still believing in the overall good of humanity!
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10/02/2013 11:56 PM
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Most conventional healthcare is a scam anyway ($100 for a "bandaid" in a hospital)... now we're forced to pay for it.
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If you just needed a bandaid, wtf did you go to the emergency room anyway!?!?!?!
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10/03/2013 12:35 AM
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WAKE UP FOLKS...these are exactly the kinds of promises which Hitler and Stalin tricked people with - we'll take care of your needs, we'll make it so there's a job for everyone, we'll protect you from those sneaky liars in the 'outside world'. You're not up to the task, but we are...don't worry, just give us the power and the authority, and we'll take care of these problems for you.

WE HAVE BEEN WARNED

 Quoting: LT Prepper


It's not even fair to compare these assholes to Hitler. Hitler actually loved Germany and the German people more than anything. Everything he did was to try and preserve the German people, no matter how misguided he may have been. And in fact, he actually did dramatically improve the German economy.

The people we're dealing with now, like Obama and the Democrats and Republicans care nothing at all about the American people and the preservation and safety of the United States. They are entirely beholden to foreign interests and international bankers, and seek only to enrich themselves at the expense of America and the rest of the world. Just think about that for a second.

The government we now have is worse than Hitler.
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^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^
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10/03/2013 12:58 AM
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I see a new business opportunity: MEDICAL VACATION GETAWAYS
I know there are a small number providing this service already but if Ocare is implemented this could be big. Good medical treatment with travel would be less than the deductible cost. Someone with money should go for this and start up a company. Add in a spa like atmosphere and pamper the patients. Was this the plan all along? Export medical services and jobs out of the US.
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Probably, because (remember) Barry said that offshoring jobs to India helps the US economy.

WTF!?!?!?!?
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10/03/2013 01:01 AM
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Everyone, please consider this:

The Elite, TPTB, The Psychopaths That Be, The Chosen Ones, call them what you will, have built underground bunkers and cities for themselves (at our expense), due to some perceived threat, which I believe will be coming from Space. They have been preparing for this (for themselves, not us) for the past several decades.

Therefore, this "threat", whatever it is, will quite possibly make this draconian healthcare legislation the least of our worries.

In other words, within the next few weeks to few months, we all may be more concerned with sheer survival (if we are still alive) than with how we will ever pay the U.S. government (run and controlled by The Psychopaths That Be) for this ludicrous healthcare.

Putting this still another way, The Psychopaths That Be want us to be in fear and worry over this healthcare that will drain financial resources we don't have, rather than being cognizant of this potential threat from Space and what we may be doing to prepare for it, just as they have been preparing for it without our knowledge.

Therefore, my suggestion is not to worry about Obamacare, but to prepare oneself mentally, emotionally and spiritually for a much larger and very real threat to our lives than an illegal piece of legislation passed by an illegitimate government and an illegitimate president.
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One can only hope that whatever is coming, fire seals them into their bunkers and poisons their air supply.
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10/03/2013 01:26 AM
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i wonder why the american population is not protesting against those incompetent politicians in Washington DC?

Are your lifes that good? Or are you just to lazy? Or to dumb to understand what is going on? Or you dont care?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268754



Unfortunately the largest portion of the population has been so 'dumbed down' by the public education (disinformation) system, that it does not understand.

Add to that, the amount of hours working and raising kids, the distraction of the perceived necessity of cable TV and smartphones, the constant emf radiation from smart meters, and all the 'cool' anti-depressant medications, it is a wonder that the majority of this country can even drive - much less think for themselves.

And if they can think and try to do something, then they get tagged as a 'terrorist' and put themselves in the position of being indefinitely detained at Guatanamo (or who knows where) for the rest of their lives. (Thanks to the idiotic Patriot Act).

It is a very saaaaadddd place we are in today.
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I just saw a repost from a Facebook page - An alleged comment on the Affordable Care Act FB page states that a person had signed up online, under the $45-55,000 income range, pre-existing condition of type I diabetes. They chose the "Silver" plan...

Their premium came back as $597 per month, with an almost $14,000 annual deductible! And when the person clicked the "opt out" option, they shortly received an e-mail stating that their fine would be $4,037, and could be attached to their annual tax return. And if you don't have the $4,037 on time, then the repercussions for non-payment begin with your drivers license being suspended until the fine is paid, and if it goes 24 months without payment, a tax lien is placed on you property. It gives you the option to provide your bank info so your penalties can be withdrawn weekly, or biweekly, etc.

damned

That comes out to about $350/month for not opting in, or $597 plus pretty much all your medical expenses for the year out of pocket (deductible) - unless you have some type of major surgery or catstrophic illness, which you then get to cough up $14,000 plus your monthly payments for. If you get that sick, do they suddenly put you on the financial assistance/reduced raters, since you obviously cannot work?
 Quoting: Geo777


all lies

Feds can not revoke your drivers license.

The DMV is run at the state level.

Same poster also claimed he didn't have to provide a SS# when in fact you do.

Just more Tea Party ludicrous bullshit lies to try and discredit Obamacare once again.

The poster who made those comments doesn't even have a FB account anymore.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43021779


Let me inform you a little: DMV is tied directly into DHS. Every CDL is automatically linked into their data base- including your thumbprint. Do not forget that fusion centers transfer all data to Fed Data bases. This is part of the NWO. This is fact.
 Quoting: PBR 45833015


So what?

...they still can't revoke your license unless you are deemed a national security risk.

So are you suggesting that people who don't pay the fine are labeled as terrorist?
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YEP
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O-Care is classic Socialism 101.

They are plowing the field for full Communism by manipulating people into government dependency.

I plainly see this coming, as many do, but what is to be done about it?

Our leaders are nearly all corrupt or compromised.

Our money is fiat, and nearly at the end of its run.

Our infrastructure is aging faster than we can react to it.

Oh, and ISON is gonna bathe us in green hooey dust and kill our tomato plants.

DOOM. All around.
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Folks instead of bitching about it on the internet you should be calling your house rep demanding they defund this thing, it takes about as much time as it takes to type a rant on glp.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47389162

Like we all haven't been doing that for what... the past several months since Senator Ted Cruz started his campaign to defund Obama Care? Seriously. We've called. We've written. We've called again. We've written again.

What the hell else do you expect us to do after all forms of communication with our Reps and Senators is being ignored?
Eireann~

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Obama Care Daily Show
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shocked

Oh dear.
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:anger:A post from the Obamacare website page.

"I actually made it through this morning at 8:00 A.M. I have a preexisting condition (Type 1 Diabetes) and my income base was 45K-55K annually I chose tier 2 "Silver Plan" and my monthly premiums came out to $597.00 with $13,988 yearly deductible!!! There is NO POSSIBLE way that I can afford this so I "opt-out" and chose to continue along with no insurance. I received an email tonight at 5:00 P.M. informing me that my fine would be $4,037 and could be attached to my yearly income tax return.

Then you make it to the "REPERCUSSIONS PORTION" for "non-payment" of yearly fine.

First, your drivers license will be suspended until paid,

and if you go 24 consecutive months with "Non-Payment" and you happen to be a home owner, you will have a federal tax lien placed on your home.

You can agree to give your bank information so that they can easy "Automatically withdraw" your "penalties" weekly, bi-weekly or monthly!

This by no means is "Free" or even "Affordable".

 Quoting: Arial9999

Jeebus H! This is NOT going to bode well for my 69 year old mother who is a brittle Type 1 diabetic. This is so fucked up it's beyond comprehension. This whole thing is insane!
Eireann~

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10/04/2013 08:52 AM
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Have to rob the average guy to pay for the national debt, you know the rich won't pay.
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That's just ignorance.

The more you make, the more you pay in taxes.
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Folks instead of bitching about it on the internet you should be calling your house rep demanding they defund this thing, it takes about as much time as it takes to type a rant on glp.
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We have, and that's why the government is currently shut down.
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I just saw a repost from a Facebook page - An alleged comment on the Affordable Care Act FB page states that a person had signed up online, under the $45-55,000 income range, pre-existing condition of type I diabetes. They chose the "Silver" plan...

Their premium came back as $597 per month, with an almost $14,000 annual deductible! And when the person clicked the "opt out" option, they shortly received an e-mail stating that their fine would be $4,037, and could be attached to their annual tax return. And if you don't have the $4,037 on time, then the repercussions for non-payment begin with your drivers license being suspended until the fine is paid, and if it goes 24 months without payment, a tax lien is placed on you property. It gives you the option to provide your bank info so your penalties can be withdrawn weekly, or biweekly, etc.

damned

That comes out to about $350/month for not opting in, or $597 plus pretty much all your medical expenses for the year out of pocket (deductible) - unless you have some type of major surgery or catstrophic illness, which you then get to cough up $14,000 plus your monthly payments for. If you get that sick, do they suddenly put you on the financial assistance/reduced raters, since you obviously cannot work?
 Quoting: Geo777


all lies

Feds can not revoke your drivers license.

The DMV is run at the state level.

Same poster also claimed he didn't have to provide a SS# when in fact you do.

Just more Tea Party ludicrous bullshit lies to try and discredit Obamacare once again.

The poster who made those comments doesn't even have a FB account anymore.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43021779


Feds can't take your driver's license? Do you even hear yourself?
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i wonder why the american population is not protesting against those incompetent politicians in Washington DC?

Are your lifes that good? Or are you just to lazy? Or to dumb to understand what is going on? Or you dont care?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268754


THAT'S WHY THE GOVT. IS SHUT DOWN!! About half of us get it and have been protesting every which way we can! There are overpasses for impeachment, truckers and bikers to DC, and on and on. The republicans are doing whatever we can to stop this, including letting the govt. shut down.
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Call your Senators and Reps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Doesn't matter if you are registered to vote or not! Call and call again!

Look, the government will have ALL of your private info/medical/banking/social media/ etc if you idiots allow this to happen. Is this what you want?? Total subjucation to big government? Your lives will not be your own any longer---is this what you really want?
 Quoting: Brevet


This. I just don't understand how or why anyone would support this.
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