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Why are Vance, Sedensky, & PlasMan accusing NPD officers of negligence at Sandy Hook School?

 
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Why are Vance, Sedensky, & PlasMan accusing NPD officers of negligence at Sandy Hook School?
The official story, according to Lt. Vance and Stephen Sedensky, is that the Sandy Hook School shooting happened in five minutes; PlasMan says four minutes.

Nute dispatched at 9:35 a.m. That means a 911 call came in at or just before 9:35 a.m. The shooting would have had to be over with by 9:40 a.m. at the very latest; 9:39 a.m. if we go with PlasMan.

The official story, and PlasMan, say the last shot fired was the gunman's shot to his own head, "as officers entered the school."

That would mean the gunman died no later than 9:40 a.m. He was not difficult to find; he was not in a closed room; officers reported "seeing a rifle" in a room and then seeing the gunman's body. He was in the same hallway as the bodies of several adults; there is no reason for them not to have seen him immediately. In fact, officers describe entering the school and immediately seeing the bodies of Hochsprung and Sherlach lying in that hallway, and then seeing the gunman's body.

The gunman was dead at or before 9:40 a.m. Why did Newtown police officer William Chapman wait until 9:57 a.m. to take out the injured child?

What were Newtown police doing for 17 minutes before calling ambulances?

It's 9:40 a.m. The gunman is down.
It's 9:45 a.m. The gunman has been dead for five minutes. The child has not been taken out
It's 9:50 a.m. The gunman has been dead for ten minutes. The child has not been taken out.

At 9:57 a.m., police request A2 to enter the scene; the gunman has been dead for 17 minutes, minimum.

Police then refuse all other ambulances and say the scene is not safe. Not a single, wounded child is brought out after Chapman carries one out 17 minutes after the gunman is down.

All remaining injured parties mysteriously die, except for one witness--who, for reasons never explained, is kept at the school for 90 minutes after the gunman is down.

90 minutes?

No ambulances are allowed (or able) to get to the school parking lot; no EMTs are allowed in the school. Medics hand-push a gurney to the school parking lot to retrieve Ms. Pisani--90 minutes after shooter down.

What were NPD officers doing for 17 minutes after shooter down before taking out a bleeding child?

What were NPD officers doing for 90 minutes after shooter down before taking out a bleeding adult?

Anyone insisting on a 5 minute shooting event--to cover their earlier, bungled 911 calls, or for any other reason--is accusing the Newtown Police Department of gross and unexplained negligence.

Lo and behold, the Connecticut State Police are currently scrambling to find evidence supporting that very thing. Some Newtown officers have been hauled in for third interviews.

A convoluted blame game, possibly to cover up the likelihood that the shooting started at 9:15 a.m. and 911 calls bounced all over Fairfield County until one from outside the school finally got conferenced to Nute at 9:35 a.m.

And the real story is that a shooter wasn't down--or found--until 9:51 a.m.

Why would it take police twelve minutes to find a dead guy lying in a doorway only feet away from the teachers' bodies--bodies police had already reported seeing at 9:45 a.m.?

Did NPD--what--see the teachers' bodies in the hallway, and then run in the opposite direction??

Obviously, a shooter was NOT down at 9:40 a.m. as Vance, Sedensky & PlasMan say. A shooter was not down at 9:45 a.m., when police were in the exact hallway of the classroom his body was allegedly lying in. A shooter was not down, in fact, until 9:51 a.m., when police first yell, "CLEAR!" and then report a shooter down...right before the yell "CLEAR!" again and report another shooter down (or same shooter, shot twice).

The shootings at Sandy Hook School did not take place within five minutes. If we consider the death of a shooter to be the final shot, then the shootings took place within a minimum of twelve minutes--but likely much longer than that.

Anyone insisting on a five minute timespan is accusing NPD officers of bizarre, illogical negligence.
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The official story, according to Lt. Vance and Stephen Sedensky, is that the Sandy Hook School shooting happened in five minutes; PlasMan says four minutes.

Nute dispatched at 9:35 a.m. That means a 911 call came in at or just before 9:35 a.m. The shooting would have had to be over with by 9:40 a.m. at the very latest; 9:39 a.m. if we go with PlasMan.

The official story, and PlasMan, say the last shot fired was the gunman's shot to his own head, "as officers entered the school."

That would mean the gunman died no later than 9:40 a.m. He was not difficult to find; he was not in a closed room; officers reported "seeing a rifle" in a room and then seeing the gunman's body. He was in the same hallway as the bodies of several adults; there is no reason for them not to have seen him immediately. In fact, officers describe entering the school and immediately seeing the bodies of Hochsprung and Sherlach lying in that hallway, and then seeing the gunman's body.

The gunman was dead at or before 9:40 a.m. Why did Newtown police officer William Chapman wait until 9:57 a.m. to take out the injured child?

What were Newtown police doing for 17 minutes before calling ambulances?

It's 9:40 a.m. The gunman is down.
It's 9:45 a.m. The gunman has been dead for five minutes. The child has not been taken out
It's 9:50 a.m. The gunman has been dead for ten minutes. The child has not been taken out.

At 9:57 a.m., police request A2 to enter the scene; the gunman has been dead for 17 minutes, minimum.

Police then refuse all other ambulances and say the scene is not safe. Not a single, wounded child is brought out after Chapman carries one out 17 minutes after the gunman is down.

All remaining injured parties mysteriously die, except for one witness--who, for reasons never explained, is kept at the school for 90 minutes after the gunman is down.

90 minutes?

No ambulances are allowed (or able) to get to the school parking lot; no EMTs are allowed in the school. Medics hand-push a gurney to the school parking lot to retrieve Ms. Pisani--90 minutes after shooter down.

What were NPD officers doing for 17 minutes after shooter down before taking out a bleeding child?

What were NPD officers doing for 90 minutes after shooter down before taking out a bleeding adult?

Anyone insisting on a 5 minute shooting event--to cover their earlier, bungled 911 calls, or for any other reason--is accusing the Newtown Police Department of gross and unexplained negligence.

Lo and behold, the Connecticut State Police are currently scrambling to find evidence supporting that very thing. Some Newtown officers have been hauled in for third interviews.

A convoluted blame game, possibly to cover up the likelihood that the shooting started at 9:15 a.m. and 911 calls bounced all over Fairfield County until one from outside the school finally got conferenced to Nute at 9:35 a.m.

And the real story is that a shooter wasn't down--or found--until 9:51 a.m.

Why would it take police twelve minutes to find a dead guy lying in a doorway only feet away from the teachers' bodies--bodies police had already reported seeing at 9:45 a.m.?

Did NPD--what--see the teachers' bodies in the hallway, and then run in the opposite direction??

Obviously, a shooter was NOT down at 9:40 a.m. as Vance, Sedensky & PlasMan say. A shooter was not down at 9:45 a.m., when police were in the exact hallway of the classroom his body was allegedly lying in. A shooter was not down, in fact, until 9:51 a.m., when police first yell, "CLEAR!" and then report a shooter down...right before the yell "CLEAR!" again and report another shooter down (or same shooter, shot twice).

The shootings at Sandy Hook School did not take place within five minutes. If we consider the death of a shooter to be the final shot, then the shootings took place within a minimum of twelve minutes--but likely much longer than that.

Anyone insisting on a five minute timespan is accusing NPD officers of bizarre, illogical negligence.
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Since police were in the building and knew the shooter was dead. They put the school in lockdown and began the search. Sure would have been nice to see if the nurse was available to administer first aid to students. She hid in her closet that was right in the immediate area of the supposed shooting. She had to have heard the police. 4 hours in a closet? Really? Allowed children to die?
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At 9:45 am you clearly hear the police audio reporting from the classrooms that there are multiple dead and the shooter has not been located.

About 9:52 suspect down
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Police transcript


This is a compilation of transcripts from police and fire dispatch. I was able to piece together a more detailed transcript from different sources. My intention was to determine exactly when the first officers arrived at the school so I listened to the police recording several times. After cross referenceing with other reports I came up with this transcript. I believe this is the best transcript to date. I put brackets around words I wasn't sure about. The audio was poor quality so some words are missing.

This took a while to put this together and that's why I haven't been posting for a while, plus I got bannished again!

I can't vouch for the authenticity of this transcript because the sound quality was poor and difficult to understand but it's as near accurate as I can surmise.

Read this over carefully and see what you can find. What time do you think the shooting started and when did it end. I have added some of my thought's at the end of this transcript. Thank You.

9:30 ....................

9:35 Bill at 67

9:35 67

9:35 Sandy Hook School, Caller's indicated she thinks someone is shooting in the building.

9:36 Units responding at Sandy Hook School. The front glass has been broken. We're unsure why.

9:36 The individual I have on the phone is continuing to hear what he believes to be gun shots.

9:38 The shooting appears to have stopped. The school is in lock down.

9:38 We'll stage up the SWAT and go from there.

9:39 Reports that teachers saw two shadows running, past the building, past the gym.

9:39 Yeah, we got 'em. Their coming at me.

9:39 There comin at me down (Crestwood?)

9:39 (Now watch the driver - left side?)

9:39 s6 This is it.

9:40 (She's involved?)

9:40 (You got it pincer?)

9:40 Medics your requested to stage at the discharge Sandy Hook center. I will need two ambulances at this time

9:40 The shooter is apparently still shooting in the office area.

9:41 Take exit 10... continue on Riverside Road, Dickenson Drive. Make sure you have your vest on.

9:41 Last note, we got a (chopper?) in the front of the building.

9:41 Acknowledge we don't have any (visual?) crew on station

9:41 I got em, proned out

9:41 Be aware that we could have a second B unit

9:41 any desciption?

9:42 last known shots were in the front of the school, maybe the rooms.

9:42 8-7-2-Yellow-Echo-October, (subjects in the school?)

9:43 Just received a call, we have one female in room one who received a gunshot wound to the foot. I've advised for an ambulance at staging.

9:43 kp31 route report?

9:43 Confirm were at the school with the party in custody, 14-01, will continue check.

9:43 Received

9:44 We have a ( t.h. bree?) at the south east of the school

9:44 Roger, 623 is in the (crease?) portion of the school

9:45 Base (inaudible) checking inside the school?

9:45 Base standby. We're doin that now.

9:46 We've got an injured person in Room 9 with numerous gunshot wounds.

9:46 Unit 2 at the school. I got bodies here.

9:46 az2 to z staging

9:46 az2

9:46 We're in the driveway between the fire (truck?) and the school

9:47 s4 the (inaudible) not here so (inaudible) if anybody (inaudible) went in.

9:47 hr We're moving up to the rear of the Sandy Hook Fire Dept, Dickenson.

9:47 s6s4 This is Unit 6 we're setting up a perimeter, front and rear.

9:48 a2 to (inaudible) ah might we possibly need a second medic?

9:48 s6 we need a location

9:48 s6 (inaudible)

9:48 Roger

9:49 Negative on description. Shots were fired about three minutes ago.

9:49 a2z staging

9:49 z staging

9:49 a3 is staging

9:49 Roger

9:50 s6

9:50 standby

9:51 We have one (suspect?) down.

9:51 where?

9:51 We have suspect down.

9:52 probably to the last minute.

9:53 Newtown's reporting one suspect down. The building has now been cleared.

9:53 EMS is asking questions, ah where am I going? I got Dickenson drive staging at the firehouse.

9:53 And that is confirmed at this time. You are going to stage with EMS crews at the Sandy Hook Fire Dept.

9:53 OK this is EMS asking where the actual call is?

9:53 In the Sandy Hook Fire Department.

9:55 Be advised, we have multiple weapons. One rifle and a shotgun

9:57 Any plain clothes responding, make sure you have your raid gear on, your raid gear on.

9:57 a2 is received to the scene at the request of the police dept

9:58 At this point it's all we know at this time

9:58 Standby a few minutes in front of the school, we're conducting an interior search at this time.

9:58 (Take the life of Adam?)

9:58 (inaudible) received to the scene

9:58 hr to a3

9:58 a3

9:58 Which one of your EMS units was proceeding into the scene, a2 or a3

9:59 a2. and a3 wants to know if we should go in also.

10:00 (time?) he has not requested your arrival at that scene yet.

10:00 s6 to 67

10:00 go ahead s6

10:00 Ask the custodian, get a team up on the roof and clear the roof.

10:00 92 is workin on it

10:00 a5 we need buses here ASAP call up (inaudible) to active.

10:00 j10 to j3. We just had a patient brought to us by police car.

10:00 Unit calling Newtown?

10:01 We need (inaudible) up here right away. Call Danbury of you have to.

10:02 (Bill Bill?) to Dispatch!!

10:02 (inaudible) backup ambulances and they said call for everything.

10:02 You might want to see if surrounding towns can send EMS personnel. We're running out pretty quick.

10:03 What is the number of ambulances you will require?

10:03 They don't know they are not giving us a number.

10:03 Fire and rescue 444 respond, 12 Dickenson drive Sandy Hook School.

10:03 Hook and Ladder sc12 respond 12 Dickenson drive Sandy Hook School. Medical Emergency!

10:03 406 is staging

10:03 407 is staging

10:03 OK 407

10:03 408 staging

10:03 408

10:04 Found out 444-49 (inaudible) station

10:04 92 (inaudible) on the roof checking that area.

10:04 We have staging area for the student, the personnel and the parents. Outside by the street.

10:12 Set up a triage area up by the fire house.

10:28 a2 is transporting one patient Danbury Hospital

10:28 aos what's your VOS?

10:28 In the vehical not secure.

10:28 Roger, Closet in the kitchen, you have some victims. Let us know, we'll call the number so you know they're coming.

10:30 Please advise all units the roof is clear

10:30 Newtown 444 are out. 401 made contact with the officer at the scene just to make sure the area you're going into has been cleared.

10:30 OK who is the commanding officer on scene here?

10:30 6 Sergeant Kullgren is the commanding officer!

10:30 OK, would you let him know we're here and we got our medical bags together and 401 will have the command here for fire......


** NOTES


The last entry could be Jason Rivera, the department's chief, who was working at his full-time job as a Stamford fire captain Friday morning but kept in touch with Corbo over the phone. "I just asked (Corbo) to keep me updated on the situation and keep our guys' safety and best interest in mind," he said. "There was a lot of conflicting information, a lot of unknowns. So, I wanted to make sure our safety was paramount." [link to www.lawofficer.com]

The 9:49 am entry above indicates shots were fired 3 minutes before 9:49 am or 9:46 am to be exact. If the shooting started at 9:30 am, as some witnesses indicated, that means the shooting lasted for at least 16 minutes.

This is what I thought I heard while listening to the 9:47 am entry "s4 the dote's not here so get if anybody able went in."

Then at 9:42 am he calls in the vehicle plates "872 YEO"

I believe the police arrived at the school around 9:40 AM.

The only thing we don't know is what time the FIRST 911 call came in.
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Full transcript here:

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9:51 suspect down.

They are inside the school and aware of injuries.

Wonder if they try to find the nurse for medical assistance.
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9:51 suspect down.

They are inside the school and aware of injuries.

Wonder if they try to find the nurse for medical assistance.
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At this point I think the " evacuation " should have started. So they should have had time to find the nurse.
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9:46 Unit 2 at the school. I got bodies here.

And there we are - the most telling of all the transmissions. Why does he say "bodies"? How could he possibly have determined death at this point, this is literally only seconds after entering the building?

The more appropriate (one that 99% of people would use) is I got victims here. He cant possibly know that everyone in the room is dead. Also note that he doesnt call for EMT help nor declare that he is attempting first aid. The officers arrive, and everyone is dead. End of story?

A reasonable conclusion to draw is that the officer was supposed to say "I got bodies here" as part of a script. The police response was to a drill.
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9:51 suspect down.

They are inside the school and aware of injuries.

Wonder if they try to find the nurse for medical assistance.
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At this point I think the " evacuation " should have started. So they should have had time to find the nurse.
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Evacuation timing is key. Are there any 911 calls that even MENTION an evacuation? If officers are on the scene, they would probably want to advise other responders that, I dont know, 600 FREAKING KIDS ARE COMING OUT OF THE SCHOOL.

And when was the first helicopter there?
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The "bodies" thing struck me, too.

Nute does immediately ask, "Ok, is it safe to send EMS in?"

9:46:05 "Roger safe to send EMS in?"

No response.

9:46:44 "Alright to send in EMS?"

9:46:49 AM Male, possibly S6 or 67: “Stage them at the [encrypted] in the 9:46:55 AM Male: “Received.”
9:47:02 AM Male, breathless: “S4, the building is not secure, so we can't have anybody, uh, am[bulances] coming in.”
9:48:18 AM Male: “S6, can you get a location [on that noise?].”
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Transcript from first dispatch to 11:28 a.m. here:

bit DOT ly SLASH YwwBsE
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9:46 Unit 2 at the school. I got bodies here.

And there we are - the most telling of all the transmissions. Why does he say "bodies"? How could he possibly have determined death at this point, this is literally only seconds after entering the building?

The more appropriate (one that 99% of people would use) is I got victims here. He cant possibly know that everyone in the room is dead. Also note that he doesnt call for EMT help nor declare that he is attempting first aid. The officers arrive, and everyone is dead. End of story?

A reasonable conclusion to draw is that the officer was supposed to say "I got bodies here" as part of a script. The police response was to a drill.

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The term " bodies" was always one that made me think drill. These communications are planned scenarios and we here no panic, no OMG OMG OMG get a medic here now. Even the most well trained people would have a more emotional reaction than " I got bodies here".
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9:51 suspect down.

They are inside the school and aware of injuries.

Wonder if they try to find the nurse for medical assistance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47944390


At this point I think the " evacuation " should have started. So they should have had time to find the nurse.
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Evacuation timing is key. Are there any 911 calls that even MENTION an evacuation? If officers are on the scene, they would probably want to advise other responders that, I dont know, 600 FREAKING KIDS ARE COMING OUT OF THE SCHOOL.

And when was the first helicopter there?
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Good eye. At no point during any of the released transmissions do they indicate how they will be evacuating the school. In fact they can't release that because that would give everything away. It's a drill.
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Drill. Period. Nobody died that day.
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The "bodies" thing struck me, too.

Nute does immediately ask, "Ok, is it safe to send EMS in?"

9:46:05 "Roger safe to send EMS in?"

No response.

9:46:44 "Alright to send in EMS?"

9:46:49 AM Male, possibly S6 or 67: “Stage them at the [encrypted] in the 9:46:55 AM Male: “Received.”
9:47:02 AM Male, breathless: “S4, the building is not secure, so we can't have anybody, uh, am[bulances] coming in.”
9:48:18 AM Male: “S6, can you get a location [on that noise?].”
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So they have " bodies " but they want EMS to stage at the fire hall?

So what ambulance ended up at the school? Or did Penna carry the girl all the way to the fire hall?

Did Nancy Hammond walk or get wheeled to the fire hall?
My goodness they created a mess for themselves. Sedendsky certainly must not be getting much sleep figuring how to explain all this.
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Staging at the fire hall was the right thing to do IF they weren't shooters were all down yet.

The problem (at this early point) isn't that they were wrong to keep EMS out; the problem is trying to later say that at the point they kept EMS out, the shooter was down and there were no more shooters.

The shooter was NOT down, and there were more shooters. Or, the killer(s) were friends and they were horrified into trying to cover it up. Or, there were children missing and a ransom note, saying "Pretend these children or dead or they will be." Or there was a gunman locked in a room with children, and a secretary screaming "Don't let anyone in or he'll shoot!!"

Any of the above are possible; the official story is not.
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Police transcript


This is a compilation of transcripts from police and fire dispatch. I was able to piece together a more detailed transcript from different sources. My intention was to determine exactly when the first officers arrived at the school so I listened to the police recording several times. After cross referenceing with other reports I came up with this transcript. I believe this is the best transcript to date. I put brackets around words I wasn't sure about. The audio was poor quality so some words are missing.

This took a while to put this together and that's why I haven't been posting for a while, plus I got bannished again!

I can't vouch for the authenticity of this transcript because the sound quality was poor and difficult to understand but it's as near accurate as I can surmise.

Read this over carefully and see what you can find. What time do you think the shooting started and when did it end. I have added some of my thought's at the end of this transcript. Thank You.

9:30 ....................

9:35 Bill at 67

9:35 67

9:35 Sandy Hook School, Caller's indicated she thinks someone is shooting in the building.

9:36 Units responding at Sandy Hook School. The front glass has been broken. We're unsure why.

9:36 The individual I have on the phone is continuing to hear what he believes to be gun shots.

9:38 The shooting appears to have stopped. The school is in lock down.

9:38 We'll stage up the SWAT and go from there.

9:39 Reports that teachers saw two shadows running, past the building, past the gym.

9:39 Yeah, we got 'em. Their coming at me.

9:39 There comin at me down (Crestwood?)

9:39 (Now watch the driver - left side?)

9:39 s6 This is it.

9:40 (She's involved?)

9:40 (You got it pincer?)

9:40 Medics your requested to stage at the discharge Sandy Hook center. I will need two ambulances at this time

9:40 The shooter is apparently still shooting in the office area.

9:41 Take exit 10... continue on Riverside Road, Dickenson Drive. Make sure you have your vest on.

9:41 Last note, we got a (chopper?) in the front of the building.

9:41 Acknowledge we don't have any (visual?) crew on station

9:41 I got em, proned out

9:41 Be aware that we could have a second B unit

9:41 any desciption?

9:42 last known shots were in the front of the school, maybe the rooms.

9:42 8-7-2-Yellow-Echo-October, (subjects in the school?)

9:43 Just received a call, we have one female in room one who received a gunshot wound to the foot. I've advised for an ambulance at staging.

9:43 kp31 route report?

9:43 Confirm were at the school with the party in custody, 14-01, will continue check.

9:43 Received

9:44 We have a ( t.h. bree?) at the south east of the school

9:44 Roger, 623 is in the (crease?) portion of the school

9:45 Base (inaudible) checking inside the school?

9:45 Base standby. We're doin that now.

9:46 We've got an injured person in Room 9 with numerous gunshot wounds.

9:46 Unit 2 at the school. I got bodies here.

9:46 az2 to z staging

9:46 az2

9:46 We're in the driveway between the fire (truck?) and the school

9:47 s4 the (inaudible) not here so (inaudible) if anybody (inaudible) went in.

9:47 hr We're moving up to the rear of the Sandy Hook Fire Dept, Dickenson.

9:47 s6s4 This is Unit 6 we're setting up a perimeter, front and rear.

9:48 a2 to (inaudible) ah might we possibly need a second medic?

9:48 s6 we need a location

9:48 s6 (inaudible)

9:48 Roger

9:49 Negative on description. Shots were fired about three minutes ago.

9:49 a2z staging

9:49 z staging

9:49 a3 is staging

9:49 Roger

9:50 s6

9:50 standby

9:51 We have one (suspect?) down.

9:51 where?

9:51 We have suspect down.

9:52 probably to the last minute.

9:53 Newtown's reporting one suspect down. The building has now been cleared.

9:53 EMS is asking questions, ah where am I going? I got Dickenson drive staging at the firehouse.

9:53 And that is confirmed at this time. You are going to stage with EMS crews at the Sandy Hook Fire Dept.

9:53 OK this is EMS asking where the actual call is?

9:53 In the Sandy Hook Fire Department.

9:55 Be advised, we have multiple weapons. One rifle and a shotgun

9:57 Any plain clothes responding, make sure you have your raid gear on, your raid gear on.

9:57 a2 is received to the scene at the request of the police dept

9:58 At this point it's all we know at this time

9:58 Standby a few minutes in front of the school, we're conducting an interior search at this time.

9:58 (Take the life of Adam?)

9:58 (inaudible) received to the scene

9:58 hr to a3

9:58 a3

9:58 Which one of your EMS units was proceeding into the scene, a2 or a3

9:59 a2. and a3 wants to know if we should go in also.

10:00 (time?) he has not requested your arrival at that scene yet.

10:00 s6 to 67

10:00 go ahead s6

10:00 Ask the custodian, get a team up on the roof and clear the roof.

10:00 92 is workin on it

10:00 a5 we need buses here ASAP call up (inaudible) to active.

10:00 j10 to j3. We just had a patient brought to us by police car.

10:00 Unit calling Newtown?

10:01 We need (inaudible) up here right away. Call Danbury of you have to.

10:02 (Bill Bill?) to Dispatch!!

10:02 (inaudible) backup ambulances and they said call for everything.

10:02 You might want to see if surrounding towns can send EMS personnel. We're running out pretty quick.

10:03 What is the number of ambulances you will require?

10:03 They don't know they are not giving us a number.

10:03 Fire and rescue 444 respond, 12 Dickenson drive Sandy Hook School.

10:03 Hook and Ladder sc12 respond 12 Dickenson drive Sandy Hook School. Medical Emergency!

10:03 406 is staging

10:03 407 is staging

10:03 OK 407

10:03 408 staging

10:03 408

10:04 Found out 444-49 (inaudible) station

10:04 92 (inaudible) on the roof checking that area.

10:04 We have staging area for the student, the personnel and the parents. Outside by the street.

10:12 Set up a triage area up by the fire house.

10:28 a2 is transporting one patient Danbury Hospital

10:28 aos what's your VOS?

10:28 In the vehical not secure.

10:28 Roger, Closet in the kitchen, you have some victims. Let us know, we'll call the number so you know they're coming.

10:30 Please advise all units the roof is clear

10:30 Newtown 444 are out. 401 made contact with the officer at the scene just to make sure the area you're going into has been cleared.

10:30 OK who is the commanding officer on scene here?

10:30 6 Sergeant Kullgren is the commanding officer!

10:30 OK, would you let him know we're here and we got our medical bags together and 401 will have the command here for fire......


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The last entry could be Jason Rivera, the department's chief, who was working at his full-time job as a Stamford fire captain Friday morning but kept in touch with Corbo over the phone. "I just asked (Corbo) to keep me updated on the situation and keep our guys' safety and best interest in mind," he said. "There was a lot of conflicting information, a lot of unknowns. So, I wanted to make sure our safety was paramount." [link to www.lawofficer.com]

The 9:49 am entry above indicates shots were fired 3 minutes before 9:49 am or 9:46 am to be exact. If the shooting started at 9:30 am, as some witnesses indicated, that means the shooting lasted for at least 16 minutes.

This is what I thought I heard while listening to the 9:47 am entry "s4 the dote's not here so get if anybody able went in."

Then at 9:42 am he calls in the vehicle plates "872 YEO"

I believe the police arrived at the school around 9:40 AM.

The only thing we don't know is what time the FIRST 911 call came in.
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any reason you excluded "the shooter has not been located" at about 9:45-9:46 am ?
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The "bodies" thing struck me, too.

Nute does immediately ask, "Ok, is it safe to send EMS in?"

9:46:05 "Roger safe to send EMS in?"

No response.

9:46:44 "Alright to send in EMS?"

9:46:49 AM Male, possibly S6 or 67: “Stage them at the [encrypted] in the 9:46:55 AM Male: “Received.”
9:47:02 AM Male, breathless: “S4, the building is not secure, so we can't have anybody, uh, am[bulances] coming in.”
9:48:18 AM Male: “S6, can you get a location [on that noise?].”
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So they have " bodies " but they want EMS to stage at the fire hall?

So what ambulance ended up at the school? Or did Penna carry the girl all the way to the fire hall?

Did Nancy Hammond walk or get wheeled to the fire hall?
My goodness they created a mess for themselves. Sedendsky certainly must not be getting much sleep figuring how to explain all this.
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A2 went into the school parking lot. It's all in the audio:

bit DOT ly SLASH YwwBsE

A2 likely took Hammond; A3 had a patient--probably a boy--taken to them via police car. A3 was at the fire station. Pisani wasn't taken until much later, when a gurney was wheeled through the roadblock, all the way from the firehouse to the school, and she was picked up in the gurney and wheeled back to an ambulance on Riverside.

A2 says they took a child, but when transmitting the status of there patient (Nute asks "ALS or BLS?") they state, "Front of vehicle, not secured." The fatally-injured child (acc. to official story, and to A2 EMT Cathy Dahlmeyer) should be in the BACK of the vehicle and secured.
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9:51 suspect down.

They are inside the school and aware of injuries.

Wonder if they try to find the nurse for medical assistance.
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At this point I think the " evacuation " should have started. So they should have had time to find the nurse.
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Evacuation timing is key. Are there any 911 calls that even MENTION an evacuation? If officers are on the scene, they would probably want to advise other responders that, I dont know, 600 FREAKING KIDS ARE COMING OUT OF THE SCHOOL.

And when was the first helicopter there?
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Good eye. At no point during any of the released transmissions do they indicate how they will be evacuating the school. In fact they can't release that because that would give everything away. It's a drill.
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That comes from CSP audio (Fairfield County). My transcript is almost exclusively Newtown PD; CSP audio is in progress and being added in a different column. Want to show the conversation threads accurately, i.e. conversations between NPD in one column, CSP in the other. Nute's conversations with EMTs should be in a separate column as well.

There is also Naugatuck Valley EMS with VERY interesting comms...all being added, but it's a slow process (and yes, I've been very negligent getting the rest put in). But at least Newtown is complete up to a point.

There is also audio from the 12/16 and 12/18 incidents transcribed in separate tabs in the document.
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Keep in mind that most of the YouTube videos take their audio from an early YouTube poster who did a mashup of Newtown and Fairfield County audio; the actual, distinct, original audio files are available here:

bit DOT ly SLASH YwwBsE
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I'm sorry, but it's just hilarious that the first search return, when Googling Stephen Sedensky, is "Why are Vance, Sedensky, & PlasMan accusing NPD officers of negligence at Sandy Hook School?"

The whole world will wonder who PlasMan is, lol.

Yes, I know this is all a serious subject. No, I'm not laughing at the deaths of schoolteachers and children. But seeing PlasMan right next to Sedensky and Vance IS funny (and probably highly appropriate).
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At this point I think the " evacuation " should have started. So they should have had time to find the nurse.
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Evacuation timing is key. Are there any 911 calls that even MENTION an evacuation? If officers are on the scene, they would probably want to advise other responders that, I dont know, 600 FREAKING KIDS ARE COMING OUT OF THE SCHOOL.

And when was the first helicopter there?
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Good eye. At no point during any of the released transmissions do they indicate how they will be evacuating the school. In fact they can't release that because that would give everything away. It's a drill.
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That comes from CSP audio (Fairfield County). My transcript is almost exclusively Newtown PD; CSP audio is in progress and being added in a different column. Want to show the conversation threads accurately, i.e. conversations between NPD in one column, CSP in the other. Nute's conversations with EMTs should be in a separate column as well.

There is also Naugatuck Valley EMS with VERY interesting comms...all being added, but it's a slow process (and yes, I've been very negligent getting the rest put in). But at least Newtown is complete up to a point.

There is also audio from the 12/16 and 12/18 incidents transcribed in separate tabs in the document.
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That was in response to the question, "any reason you excluded "the shooter has not been located" at about 9:45-9:46 am ?"
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9:51 suspect down.

They are inside the school and aware of injuries.

Wonder if they try to find the nurse for medical assistance.
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At this point I think the " evacuation " should have started. So they should have had time to find the nurse.
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Evacuation timing is key. Are there any 911 calls that even MENTION an evacuation? If officers are on the scene, they would probably want to advise other responders that, I dont know, 600 FREAKING KIDS ARE COMING OUT OF THE SCHOOL.

And when was the first helicopter there?
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Good eye. At no point during any of the released transmissions do they indicate how they will be evacuating the school. In fact they can't release that because that would give everything away. It's a drill.
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And if the kids somehow all got out before the police arrived, they might have cared to mention that 600 kids were streaming through an active shooting scene. Small detail.
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At this point I think the " evacuation " should have started. So they should have had time to find the nurse.
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Evacuation timing is key. Are there any 911 calls that even MENTION an evacuation? If officers are on the scene, they would probably want to advise other responders that, I dont know, 600 FREAKING KIDS ARE COMING OUT OF THE SCHOOL.

And when was the first helicopter there?
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Good eye. At no point during any of the released transmissions do they indicate how they will be evacuating the school. In fact they can't release that because that would give everything away. It's a drill.
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And if the kids somehow all got out before the police arrived, they might have cared to mention that 600 kids were streaming through an active shooting scene. Small detail.
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Wow. Your jabs are destroying anyone's attempt to say there was any shooting at all
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I admit the lack of evidence of 430 or so children coming out is incredibly problematic.

I say 430, because the Newtown Public Schools enrollment report of November, 2012 lists 456 students + 2 adds for first semester, to make a total of 458 enrolled at SHS.

20 children were declared dead, so that's 438 survivors coming out, minus some who were said to be home sick. So roughly 430 children.

If in fact there were 430 children to be evacuated, when and how did they leave? Police audio makes several references to "a large group coming out the front." There are several pictures showing about 20 or fewer students being led out.

Around eight of Soto's students said they ran past the shooter and out the front door; parent Barbara Sibley said they were running to the fire house when she pulled up to the school around 9:35 a.m.

Other students were said to run out of the school's back doors:

I think Shannon Hicks was definitely the first reporter on scene, would have been likely to be the only reporter photographing the bulk of the children; and she has released only a scant few of her photos that day.

If in fact 400 or so remaining kids exited via back doors, I guess it's possible she has photos but simply hasn't released them.

One would expect to at least have photos of the children at the firehouse.

There is a serious photo gap, imho.

Another possibility is that the shooting (or whatever it was) began at 9:15 a.m., and that many of the children were already out by the time police arrived.

I personally think a LOT of kids may have gone missing and been very hard to round up; police audio indicates police still trying to find families and children and reunite them as late as 1:30 p.m. One educator slipped up and let out that "family reunification" was a major challenge. Newtown PD went so far as to create a missing person folder on many children who were unaccounted for.

It's all very weird. Always has been.
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Also, many parents were on scene within minutes of the reverse 911 call. I doubt a small "everyone must sign in here" sign prevented many from simply taking their child and getting the hell out of there. I certainly would have. I would not have stuck around a scene that was obviously still too hot for ambulances to be allowed entry; the firehouse is not that far from the school. SWAT teams were running around with dogs and yelling and acting as if an entire army of shooters was still on the loose. I would have gotten my kid home, sign or no sign.
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Also, many parents were on scene within minutes of the reverse 911 call. I doubt a small "everyone must sign in here" sign prevented many from simply taking their child and getting the hell out of there. I certainly would have. I would not have stuck around a scene that was obviously still too hot for ambulances to be allowed entry; the firehouse is not that far from the school. SWAT teams were running around with dogs and yelling and acting as if an entire army of shooters was still on the loose. I would have gotten my kid home, sign or no sign.
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2 things.

"There are several pictures showing about 20 or fewer students being led out"

No there are 2 pics. One of about 20 kids the other with just 1 child in the picture.

There is video footage of parents looking as if they are bringing children TO the event with oversized jackets on for effect.
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Here's a reference to kids going out the back:

"So then I looked at my teacher, and she opened the door and the police officers were there. And we -- they lined the hallways, and all we saw was them looking at us. And we held our children's hands and we raced through the back of the building. They led us out the back and we went to the firehouse."

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Also, many parents were on scene within minutes of the reverse 911 call. I doubt a small "everyone must sign in here" sign prevented many from simply taking their child and getting the hell out of there. I certainly would have. I would not have stuck around a scene that was obviously still too hot for ambulances to be allowed entry; the firehouse is not that far from the school. SWAT teams were running around with dogs and yelling and acting as if an entire army of shooters was still on the loose. I would have gotten my kid home, sign or no sign.
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2 things.

"There are several pictures showing about 20 or fewer students being led out"

No there are 2 pics. One of about 20 kids the other with just 1 child in the picture.

There is video footage of parents looking as if they are bringing children TO the event with oversized jackets on for effect.
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Here are the two "conga line" pictures, as they were called in the early days of the investigation:

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[link to i70.servimg.com]
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I had never seen this article before:


"NEWTOWN, Conn. — Staring death straight in the face in what should have been the haven of his first-grade classroom, little Brady Lavelle grabbed a classmate and bolted from school in a daring escape from one of the most unspeakable slaughters in the nation’s history.

They ran out their classroom’s back door, into a hallway as alleged gunman Adam Lanza opened fire on their teacher and fellow students at Sandy Hook Elementary School. Brady and his pal scampered from the building, then down Riverside Road, half a mile into town. And they ran into the arms of a Samaritan who scooped them up and drove them to the local fire station.

“It is miraculous and awesome,” Brady’s mom, Stacey Lavelle, told the Herald in a brief telephone interview last night.

She declined to speak in detail about her son or his desperate flight to safety, saying she didn’t want to seem overjoyed on a night when her friends and neighbors had lost so much; 28 dead in all, including 20 of Brady’s schoolmates, ages 5 to 10.

Friends of the Lavelle family learned of Brady’s escape from other relatives.

“The shooter came into his room, shot the teacher and opened fire on the class,” said Bobby Haskins, 14, who is a friend of Brady’s older brother. “He was able to make it out with a friend of his, out the back door.

“And they ran half a mile, all the way into town here, and were rescued by a man who brought them back to the firehouse,” Bobby Haskins said, recounting the story on Newtown’s picturesque main drag, with his father, Bob, by his side.

The Haskinses were on their way to a local prayer vigil — one of several last night in this town of 27,000 hard by the New York border, where tears flowed in rivers in the hours after the bloodbath.

Bobby said he spoke to Brady’s older brother, but the little boy wasn’t saying much about his miraculous escape.

“He said he didn’t really talk about it, which is expected — it’s a very traumatic experience. They said they’re just so thankful, as anyone would be in that situation.

“I was just overjoyed that he made it out because I’m a friend of his,” said Bobby, an eighth-grader at a local Catholic school. “He comes to all of our basketball games. It would have been so tragic if he lost his life in that terrible incident. We’re just so thankful he made it out.

“I’d say he was probably one of the only kids, him and his friend were one of the only kids who made it alive out of that classroom,” Bobby said, “which is very sad.”
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Also, many parents were on scene within minutes of the reverse 911 call. I doubt a small "everyone must sign in here" sign prevented many from simply taking their child and getting the hell out of there. I certainly would have. I would not have stuck around a scene that was obviously still too hot for ambulances to be allowed entry; the firehouse is not that far from the school. SWAT teams were running around with dogs and yelling and acting as if an entire army of shooters was still on the loose. I would have gotten my kid home, sign or no sign.
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2 things.

"There are several pictures showing about 20 or fewer students being led out"

No there are 2 pics. One of about 20 kids the other with just 1 child in the picture.

There is video footage of parents looking as if they are bringing children TO the event with oversized jackets on for effect.
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Here are the two "conga line" pictures, as they were called in the early days of the investigation:

[link to static4.businessinsider.com]

[link to i70.servimg.com]
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Well that's two not " many ".

But I get what you are saying. Still does not add up though.





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