Are you prepared for a EMP? How would you survive?

In any mass outage there is a priority to bringing buildings/businesses back on. I'm sure federal agencies would be #1. Followed by hospitals, police/fire/ems, water treatment, then I would guess things like gas stations and the like. Anyone on one of those circuits would also possibly benefit. But once again just thinking about it they would probably cut residential power completely out at first. To save power for those places I've already mentioned.

I'm more prepared for a nuclear bomb and there is no surviving

it is not the EMP that you have to worry about - it is WHO or WHAT causes it ... if it is a "bomb" dropped by someone - they aren't just going to drop it without a plan ... they wouldn't "bomb" the entire nation - that would senseless - but it they did it "right" it will leave them with total control over the "masses" because THEY will have enough technology in a "safe - place" to get them back "on line" (if they even go off-line) you can bet that their grid is hard wired.


If it is an "act of nature" (kill shot) then it wouldn't be localized, but turn out the lights around the world ... no "help" forth coming (like in the Nat Geo scenario)- no matter which - the people living in major Metro areas are doomed - of their own free will.

we built this nation before electricity - and ET technology - I believe we can (re)build it better - without our dependency upon it ... you can modify a bicycle and generate electricity and if it is simply an EMP and not a pole shift -
I trust that (collective) pockets of humanity will be able to deal with whatever issues that arise - and we'll do a much better job the next time.

There was a vague threat of someone poisoning the water supply (lol not fucking kidding) here where I live, and they had to have the water supply shut off for 48 hours ... people cleared the water supply of all the nearby stores. Mind you, I live in a relatively small mountain town.

Imagine if this was NYC.

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Yes, I understand that the reactors themselves would automatically go into shutdown and they in themselves would not be the problem.
My understanding is that the problem would be with the buildings where the spent fuel rods are located. The spent fuel rods have to be kept submerged in approx 20 feet in cool constantly circulating water for at least 10 years before they can be removed from the water pools.
I had read that the systems that keep the water circulating through these pools is definitely tied into the electrical grid. If power is lost, they do have diesel generators, but if power is lost for a long enough time and diesel to run the generators goes scarce, then there is a major major problem. without the water circulating, the fuel rods which are extremely hot will boil dry the water and go into meltdown. This would be worse than a reactor meltdown.

This must have some truth to it if you read about what is going on at Fukushima as they have had to circulate ocean water through the fuel rod pools and they continue to be a threat.

Does anybody out there have enough knowledge on this to elaborate and confirm or debunk?? And would it be survivable??

As I said previously, the nuclear plants are a different world altogether. I doubt any of those guys would be able to comment without fearing for their jobs. It is a highly regulated and security driven area of our power supply. Someone who may be able to answer might read the post, but I don't think they would reply. As much as they may want to.

Thanks for your reply. I have a gas and solar generator, but the more I think about it, what will it run if all is fried? Been prepping for years, thanks.

Just to offer a little more info... Even though it is not my field in the industry, if I had a working generator for the spent rod pool and a way to transport fuel I am extremely confident I could keep it running. I will not say how.

Fukushima IS causing the collaspe and IS killing all.

The odds of Fukushima killing you in the next 2 years are better than any odds on any conspiracy and any event that will ever take place ever.

A solar panel, an array of car batteries and some 12v LED lights could make a big difference when everything is dark.

1st sign of pending EMP.

Cell phones quit working.

After spending some time today reading articles on EMP and relative threads on GLP, I took a break and baked some
brownies. I decided to turn the TV on and the first words I heard were the following:

"What if all the electricity went off tomorrow, would you know what to do?"

It was Barney Fife on the Andy Griffith show talking to Opie and his friends.

It was from the episode called "Back to Nature".

I found it here and you can listen to him ask that question to the boys at about
3 minutes and 30 seconds into the show:
[link to www.dailymotion.com]

I guess there's no escaping that question today.

Thanks KoFFee - what a conscience!!

The universe speaks to us in unusual ways!

Well, thanks for the input anyway. I am trying to sort of get an idea of how to prepare for bad things happening. Even if not worse case, it is still supposed to be a severe winter coming so I want to at least be prepared for 2 weeks without power due to a severe snowstorm and then go from there.

I do live pretty much directly downwind from a Nuclear power plant although it's about 80 miles away, but the prevailing winds do generally come my way from that direction. If it is possible to prepare for that type of contingency, I'd like to try, but I'm not sure how. I have read what to do if there were ever to be an actual nuclear attack, but I believe this type of radiation would be different and probably a lot worse, but I really don't know. I will keep looking for any useful information on this. If I find anything, I will share.

Spend the rest of my days collecting supplies off of dead fat people and rich idiots and play my guitar.

Heaven.

It feels like something will happen soon. I turned on the radio on my way to work and there was a PSA from our state govt about keeping a supply of food and water for emergencies. That combined with the GRIDXII on the 13th and 14th of this month. Plus the day before is 11/12/13. Just doesn't make me feel too fuzzy inside. I for one will have a solid plan in place on 11/11

Make those full-spectrum LEDs, and you can grow food indoors or underground.

Basic electronics knowledge would give some a massive advantage. The benefit of being able to grow your own food supply, indoors and hidden away, using hydroponics that outperform the yield of even the best traditional crop growing methods?

You'd be laughing compared to those who only know how to grow outdoors and are at the mercy of weather, seasons, and looters.

LED diodes may not survive a EMP

Depends on the EMP. Some will. They're more than small enough to wrap in layers of aluminum foil or whatever else fast and dirty faraday you can bang out.

Also, anything without a full-blown microprocessor will most likely be unaffected by an EMP.

Batteries, coil motors, basic circuits, physical connection breaking switches, alternators, and most AC/DC converters are simply not vulnerable to sudden surges while not in operation.

Yes, have EZ pump for well (if we need it). Have an entire old barn for wood, if we need it. Have wood burning stove, would have to hookup, but have it if we need it.
Food, well, enough for a awhile...after that...well, the blackbirds, crows, doves might start looking pretty good...I suppose last resort would be the horses......wouldn't take much to throw some chickens on the property, or round up our significant wild rabbit population, contain them, and let 'em breed. Already have raised gardens/seeds, canning stuff, etc.

Look if it gets that bad, eventually even with heat/water, we'll be in the same boat as everyone else. What we have will just buy time, that's about it.

I'm not really worried about lack of communications, people in our small town (walking distance, close knit town) will have ham radios and all congregate at the local bar...we'll get news. Our small town has so many knowledgeable people, plus my immediate family is jack of all trades...including the adult children...we'll make do for awhile.

We're covered for the basics, food for awhile, water, heat, transportation (horses/bike/foot) and my husband is a vet (not animal vet, military), he knows stuff, son is NG, he knows stuff...lots of family members that know lots of stuff and have lots of stuff, we'll help each other out.
We'll come together, we'll survive for awhile...after that, it's anybody's guess. Since we are in a high energy area, and high ag. output, I'm hoping, that as repairs are made, our area will be on a priority list...one can hope right?

Our take (my DH and I) is that you need the basics:

1. Well for water, and hand pump.
2. Wood burning stove, and wood available, not try to find it last minute.
3. Food stored, or garden/seeds in place with fruit trees on property.
4. Maybe some meat on the hoof hanging around.
5. Protection, yes, that means guns and ammo.

Think how we survived back in the 1700's, early 1800's. They did it with wood burning stoves, outhouse, well or creek, livestock/garden on property, that is how they did it, we'll have to do the same, otherwise, no you won't last long.

And even if you have above, you need to be able to preserve from year to year, collect/dry seeds, take care of your animals, breed your animals, have access to more ammo, etc.

If a horrible EMP did happen, yeah, we'd all be in for a world of hurt, even those of us that have the basics, as truly we too are only buying some time to consider next moves and pray our harvest comes up, our animals don't get sick, we don't get sick...you know? It'll be like colonial times all over again...what's sad is, a lot of people nowadays don't even know how to cook from scratch, or build something, or hunt, or fish, or sew, or blacksmith, or well, do much of anything related to harsh survival, they weren't taught. They will die if someone doesn't protect/teach them.

Nut trees are also a good resource. Pecans have the highest protein. I have been planting fruit and nut trees on my property. Also, nuts preserve well when picked and stored in a dry and pest free container.

check this

Thread: Wild. Electric Fireball in montreal

we have enough food and water for a family of five for maybe 3-6 months ... , camp stoves , wood ,batteries , ham radio , lanterns , sleeping bags games and books ...then 7 bug out bags and warm coats and boots. but ok if the house catches on fire then not good we would be on the run- tent and sleeping bags in the Van . ( worried about fires if it happened ) . oh well I live in southern CA maybe a large tsunami will come and put the fires out ? ...lol

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Items you will need - get some extra for barter - others will also need these "forgotten" items.

Clothes Lines: Since dryers may not work

Clothes Pins for above

Sewing supplies: for mending

Salt: for preserving foods, tanning animal hides and for nutrition - salt is required for nutrition (Need LOTS of salt)

Extra socks - they wear out fast

Shoes - new ones may not be available

Shoe laces

Alcohol - for wound cleansing and a little merriment

Coffee - Folks will crave this once it is gone

Sugar - average person eats 200 lbs a year but is not aware as its in so many processed foods. Its also a great preservative for canning. Also good in wound care.

Honey - never spoils and its is anti-bacterial

Tobacco - one of the top barter items to have

Heritage seeds to grow (and re grow) gardens (include medicinal herbs and tobacco seed)

Garden hand tools

Fertilizer - for the garden

Canned meat - last for years

Dried beans

Flour

Canned vegetables

Canned fruit

Oil for cooking

water purification tabs / systems

Composting toilet system - or an outhouse far away from the water supply - and error here will lead to typhus and cholera outbreak

Lots of toilet paper

Guns / ammo / related cleaning supplies

Vitamins

Wood heating system

Axes / sledge hammer and wedges to process wood for burning

Medicines needed for specific problems

Duct tape and thick plastic to repair broken windows and other issues that arise

Shovels to garden and bury the dead

Oil lamps - extra oil and wicks

books on hand to teach the forgotten skills, educate the children, entertain in the evenings on cold nights

heavy gauge garbage bags

Heavy dutch oven with tri-pod for cooking w/ accessories such as [link to www.amazon.com]

Tripod

[link to www.amazon.com]

hot pads for above

[link to www.amazon.com]

Spices for cooking

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How much should you take? I take 2-4 drops over other day or two days but it makes me feel weird.

Just so you all know, while this video visually depicting the energy carried by power lines is impressive, it is nothing so out of the ordinary that it would be foreboding doom. I've seen it happen alot. Luckily never in the middle of iit (electrical burns are nasty and often fatal). Some people on that thread did a fair job explaining what happened. Some of the comments I read reminded me of some of my apprentices who know just enough to be dangerous.

You may be detoxing from bromide and fluoride - this can cause some strange feelings. Once you detox you should be able to tolerate 2 drops every day.