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Gay High Schooler Suspended for Ripping Pages Out of the Bible Read more: Gay High Schooler Suspended for Ripping Pages Out of the Bible | TIME.

 
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So what do we think about this? Should secular public schools be allowed to suspend students for ripping pages out of their own books? Even if their books are considered holy by some?

"Isaiah Smith, an openly gay 18-year-old senior at Birdville High School in North Richland Hills, Texas, was suspended for three days last week after ripping pages out of a Bible in class.

Smith says that he tore the Bible while trying to make a point to his classmates about bullying. Last Monday, Smith told the Star-Telegram, his classmates started bullying him in Spanish class by telling him he was going to hell for being gay. Smith, who had his Bible with him, started tearing out pages of the Book of Leviticus, which he said many classmates quote when they taunt him.

“At my high school, some kids like to say that being gay is a sin and that you can’t be gay and Christian,” Smith told the Star Telegram. “I wanted to bring my Bible to school and interpret the books of Leviticus and Romans, because they are often used to bully gay people.”

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Sharing truth is not bullying.

Stating what a book sais is not bullying.

Warning someone of the danger of a certain behavior is not bullying.
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But is destroying a religious text you have no belief in, in a public school, in a secular nation, something that someone should be suspended for?

What if he'd been suspended for ripping pages out of a Koran?? People would be furious.

It's about the line between church and state and how much power public schools and their subsidiaries are given to indoctrinate impressionable students in a secular society.
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Texas has so many gays. In this story, the classmates are obviously gay too, or they wouldn't be teasing their love interest.
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This is stupid, he should not have been suspended.

It's a COPY of a book. There are a gazillion other copies of the same book. It even belongs to him.

Furthermore it's not a religious school and should not be supporting any particular religion.

I'm a white male hetero, and I generally agree with what "Christians" say. But this is stupid.
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But should a public school be able to suspend a student for ripping pages out of a book they own?
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This is stupid, he should not have been suspended.

It's a COPY of a book. There are a gazillion other copies of the same book. It even belongs to him.

Furthermore it's not a religious school and should not be supporting any particular religion.

I'm a white male hetero, and I generally agree with what "Christians" say. But this is stupid.
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Yeah, this was my point.

It's not like he was destroying school property.

He tore up his own book and was suspended for it.

Because it was a bible.

A book some people find holy, which should have no bearing in a secular public school. I think the school crossed the line here.
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Smith told the Star-Telegram, his classmates started bullying him in Spanish class by telling him he was going to hell for being gay.
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grizzy Well one things for sure, if he dies in his sins he will be going to hell. The bible makes it quite clear that homosexuals will not be in Heaven.

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If it was his property he should not have been suspended.

Why are kids allowed to discuss these personal issues during class time?

from the article:
'...discipline was due to “distraction and disruption in class by tearing up Bible in class.”'



He was suspended for disrupting the class.

Not for damaging a sacred book.

End of story.

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Smith told the Star-Telegram, his classmates started bullying him in Spanish class by telling him he was going to hell for being gay.
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grizzy Well one things for sure, if he dies in his sins he will be going to hell. The bible makes it quite clear that homosexuals will not be in Heaven.

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Yeah, but if he's going to hell that's between him and whatever god there may be. It has nothing to do with his public school education.
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If it was his property he should not have been suspended.

Why are kids allowed to discuss these personal issues during class time?

from the article:
'...discipline was due to “distraction and disruption in class by tearing up Bible in class.”'



He was suspended for disrupting the class.

Not for damaging a sacred book.

End of story.
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But how is tearing up a bible more distracting than telling someone they are going to hell for being gay?
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This is stupid, he should not have been suspended.

It's a COPY of a book. There are a gazillion other copies of the same book. It even belongs to him.

Furthermore it's not a religious school and should not be supporting any particular religion.

I'm a white male hetero, and I generally agree with what "Christians" say. But this is stupid.
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Yeah, this was my point.

It's not like he was destroying school property.

He tore up his own book and was suspended for it.

Because it was a bible.

A book some people find holy, which should have no bearing in a secular public school. I think the school crossed the line here.
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Yep. Church and state need to stay as far away as possible from each other.

If it was occurring in the middle of class, and the teacher asked him to stop and he did not stop, than maybe the suspension is justifiable?

He could have been tearing pages from the phone book and still he would have to stop when the teacher told him to.

Regardless of any statement he was making, the middle of a classroom was prolly not the best place to do it.

Why he would tear pages from his own book to prove a point isn't mentioned. If the classmates were claiming the bible said he was in sin, tearing the pages from the bible does not help his point in anyway.

Isn't that like having a 20 page report about global warming. Someone shows you that on page 5 of the report your idea is in error. You don't like it and tear out page 5? That is not the way to go about a debate.
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Exhile him to Antarctica.
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But is destroying a religious text you have no belief in, in a public school, in a secular nation, something that someone should be suspended for?

What if he'd been suspended for ripping pages out of a Koran?? People would be furious.

It's about the line between church and state and how much power public schools and their subsidiaries are given to indoctrinate impressionable students in a secular society.
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Take all the social/religious context out of this - if he had ripped pages out of any book belonging to the school, that is vandalism.
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He can rip as many pages from as many books as he can.

Doesn't stop him from being gay.

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But is destroying a religious text you have no belief in, in a public school, in a secular nation, something that someone should be suspended for?

What if he'd been suspended for ripping pages out of a Koran?? People would be furious.

It's about the line between church and state and how much power public schools and their subsidiaries are given to indoctrinate impressionable students in a secular society.
 Quoting: Em18966


Take all the social/religious context out of this - if he had ripped pages out of any book belonging to the school, that is vandalism.
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It didn't belong to the school - it belonged to him, he brought it from home.

It was his book.

He tore it up.

And was suspended for it.

Because it was a bible.
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But is destroying a religious text you have no belief in, in a public school, in a secular nation, something that someone should be suspended for?

What if he'd been suspended for ripping pages out of a Koran?? People would be furious.

It's about the line between church and state and how much power public schools and their subsidiaries are given to indoctrinate impressionable students in a secular society.
 Quoting: Em18966


Take all the social/religious context out of this - if he had ripped pages out of any book belonging to the school, that is vandalism.
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It didn't belong to the school - it belonged to him, he brought it from home.

It was his book.

He tore it up.

And was suspended for it.

Because it was a bible.
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Two wrongs don't make a right. Right?

Hurting others feelings to justify your own hurt feelings only brings more hurt feelings.

The grown up thing to do was to call the school board.
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Gays are demon possessed.
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Sharing truth is not bullying.

Stating what a book sais is not bullying.

Warning someone of the danger of a certain behavior is not bullying.
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It's not sharing a truth, it's sharing an opinion.

Using a book to be a shitbag is bullying.

It's not warning someone if its an uneducated opinion, its using text to assert some idiotic supperioirty based on religion.

Maybe this is too complex for you soapbox Christians to understand but people don't want your opinions, especially when you blindly herald it as fact.

In the case of some adolesent teens using your book as a way to get at someone, yeah its bullying. You would be furious if it was a pack of Muslims taunting a Christian with a Koran.

The fact is no one want religious nonsense forcibly in their face. All it comes down to is wanting to kick you between the legs so that the gene pool can be saved.

Maybe if this were law we could finally have world peace. People keep their mouths shut so their points of view don't start pissing the wrong people off and their balls remain intact.
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First they rip pages out of the Bible, then they bring a gun to school. Beware the angry gay mafia.
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" his classmates started bullying him in Spanish class by telling him he was going to hell for being gay. Smith, who had his Bible with him, started tearing out pages of the Book of Leviticus, which he said many classmates quote when they taunt him".
Shouldnt have been suspended, its his fucking book. The christ tards doing the bullying should have been suspended
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Gays are demon possessed.
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Telling the boy that it is a sin to engage in sodomy isn't bullying. The kid needs to know that there will be consequences should he continue on this course. It is an abomination to God that two men should have sex with each other.
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Sharing truth is not bullying.

Stating what a book sais is not bullying.

Warning someone of the danger of a certain behavior is not bullying.
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It's not sharing a truth, it's sharing an opinion.

Using your opinion to be a shitbag is bullying.

It's not "enlightening" someone if its an uneducated opinion, its using feelings to assert some idiotic superiority based on sexual orientation.

Maybe this is too complex for you soapbox homosexuals to understand but people don't want your opinions, especially when you blindly herald it as fact.

In the case of some adolescent teens using their sexual proclivities as a way to get at someone, yeah its bullying. You would be furious if it was a pack of married couples taunting a queer with a Marriage License.

The fact is no one want sexual perversion forcibly in their face. All it comes down to is wanting to kick you between the legs so that the gene pool can be saved.

Maybe if this were law we could finally have world peace. People keep their mouths shut so their points of view don't start pissing the wrong people off and their balls remain intact.
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Fixed your post.
There's a man in a white house with blood on his mouth!
If there's Knaves in the North, there are braves in the South.
We are three thousand horses, and not one afraid;
We are three thousand sabres and not a dull blade.

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Telling the boy that it is a sin to engage in sodomy isn't bullying. The kid needs to know that there will be consequences should he continue on this course. It is an abomination to God that two men should have sex with each other.
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Are you that dense? No one gives a shit. Stop thinking you're so fucking pious and spreading your rhetoric like a venereal disease. If he gave two shits about what your middle eastern poison had to say about his sexual preference he would've sought it out. Amazing Christians claim to be versed in moral authority when western civilization, a predominately Christian realm, is collapsing under its own weight.





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