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EPA Bans Most Wood Stoves....You Better Read This If You Heat With Wood.

 
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EPA Bans Most Wood-Burning Stoves
Written by: Tara Dodrill Politics October 2, 2013 53 Comments
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Wood-burning stoves offer warmth and enhance off-grid living options during cold weather months, but the tried-and-true heating devices now are under attack by the Environmental Protection Agency.

The EPA has banned the production and sale of the types of stoves used by about 80 percent of those with such stoves. The regulations limit the amount of “airborne fine-particle matter” to 12 micrograms per cubic meter of air. The current EPA regulations allow for 15 micrograms in the same amount of air space.

Most of the wood stoves currently nestled inside cabins and homes from coast-to-coast don’t meet the new environmental standard. The EPA launched a “Burn Wise” website to help convince the public that the new regulations were needed.
Trading in an old stove for a newer stove isn’t allowed.
“Replacing an older stove with a cleaner-burning stove will not improve air quality if the older stove is reused somewhere else,” the website says. “For this reason, wood stove change out programs usually require older stoves to be destroyed and recycled as scrap metal, or rendered inoperable.”
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11/08/2013 04:36 AM
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The way thing are going the EPA will be using wood stoves themselves. Congress need to get them under control, they are over the EPA and they allow them to make up rule that are not constitutional!
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11/08/2013 04:38 AM
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Obama strikes again....
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Over here alot of people are using wood burners now and there has been a noticeable drop in air quality with illness from this sort of emissions rising, but because the government considered it "green" they have made them exempt from the clean air rules.
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11/08/2013 04:46 AM
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This is bullshit and lies of the highest magnitude.
It is about control and nothing more.

If the EPA were so concerned about the well being of the people all they needed to do is tell manufacturers to make a retrofit air scrubber for their stoves that can be installed on existing units.

Banning the sale of existing stoves and demanding they be destroyed is ridiculous.
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11/08/2013 04:53 AM
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A 55 gallon drum…. Or….
A couple pieces of plate steel with a metal door, and some welding.

They are basically trying to outlaw a metal box with a door and a hole in the top.

wall
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11/08/2013 04:54 AM
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Eventually they will BANE everything if they are not stopped this is a Marxist take over
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11/08/2013 04:58 AM
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norespect

How the hell are people supposed to keep warm?
This is essentially forcing more people to buy more products and services!
Why continue to buy oil, when warehouses throw out large quantities of busted pallets?

LEAVE US THE FUCK ALONE.
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Now this really pisses me off.
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Eventually they will BANE everything if they are not stopped this is a Marxist take over
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49581580


“Sergeant, what is the charges on the person you just booked?”

“He was in possession of a metal box with intent to make a wood burning device. And intent to conduct environmental terrorism. That’s a serious EPA infraction. He could be locked away for years. He may even be going to gitmo.”
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So would you prefer to be allowed to burn coal, wood, whatever the fuck you want without emissions control, and wake up in the morning with the air looking like Beijing with 50 foot visibility and not seeing the sun for a week at a time?
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11/08/2013 05:11 AM
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Is burning wood in a fireplace still legal? What's the difference?
It represents my belief in personal freedom and my sense of individuality.

What is this! Shitload of mashed potatoes day?
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11/08/2013 05:15 AM
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So would you prefer to be allowed to burn coal, wood, whatever the fuck you want without emissions control, and wake up in the morning with the air looking like Beijing with 50 foot visibility and not seeing the sun for a week at a time?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49588397


Sir…… With all due respect…
I will burn what ever the F**k I can fit in the wood stove.

If it won’t fit, I will build a bigger stove.
I don’t have 400lb of welding rod on hand for grins and giggle..
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Montreal moves to eliminate all fireplaces within city limits




Homeowners with wood-burning stoves or fireplaces will have to permanently render them inoperable, have them removed, or have them replaced with a fireplace that burns gas or a stove that burns EPA-approved pellets.



[link to montreal.ctvnews.ca]
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11/08/2013 05:16 AM
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Let me be clear. If you Like your old wood stove, you can Keep your old wood stove.
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Is burning wood in a fireplace still legal? What's the difference?
 Quoting: Stink Finger


Depends on local ordinances, not EPA

[link to www.epa.gov]
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So would you prefer to be allowed to burn coal, wood, whatever the fuck you want without emissions control, and wake up in the morning with the air looking like Beijing with 50 foot visibility and not seeing the sun for a week at a time?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49588397


Sir…… With all due respect…
I will burn what ever the F**k I can fit in the wood stove.

If it won’t fit, I will build a bigger stove.
I don’t have 400lb of welding rod on hand for grins and giggle..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49638322


So you have demonstrated yourself to be about as intelligent and considerate of others as the average Chinese coolie, or corrupt commie politician in Beijing or Harbin.
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11/08/2013 05:20 AM
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When the SHTF I will be burning whatever I have to to stay warm. NO ONE will be telling me or trying to force me to freeze.
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So would you prefer to be allowed to burn coal, wood, whatever the fuck you want without emissions control, and wake up in the morning with the air looking like Beijing with 50 foot visibility and not seeing the sun for a week at a time?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49588397


Sir…… With all due respect…
I will burn what ever the F**k I can fit in the wood stove.

If it won’t fit, I will build a bigger stove.
I don’t have 400lb of welding rod on hand for grins and giggle..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49638322


So you have demonstrated yourself to be about as intelligent and considerate of others as the average Chinese coolie, or corrupt commie politician in Beijing or Harbin.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49588397


How much is the EPA paying you per post?
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Montreal moves to eliminate all fireplaces within city limits




Homeowners with wood-burning stoves or fireplaces will have to permanently render them inoperable, have them removed, or have them replaced with a fireplace that burns gas or a stove that burns EPA-approved pellets.



[link to montreal.ctvnews.ca]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49588397


Replaced my pellet stove yesterday with a wood burner. Everybody in rural Oregon heats with wood. Fire ripped within a couple hundred yards of my house and burning dead fuel helps alleviate this risk.
The ashes help my garden. They want to put a meter on my well also.
No, no, y no.
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Montreal moves to eliminate all fireplaces within city limits




Homeowners with wood-burning stoves or fireplaces will have to permanently render them inoperable, have them removed, or have them replaced with a fireplace that burns gas or a stove that burns EPA-approved pellets.



[link to montreal.ctvnews.ca]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49588397


Replaced my pellet stove yesterday with a wood burner. Everybody in rural Oregon heats with wood. Fire ripped within a couple hundred yards of my house and burning dead fuel helps alleviate this risk.
The ashes help my garden. They want to put a meter on my well also.
No, no, y no.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48926262


What is the reasoning behind installing a meter on your well, have they told you? I am curious if it is because of the rain tax so many towns and cities are moving to.
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11/08/2013 05:28 AM
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try to come and get my wood stove you fucking yanks.these assholes are getting worse
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11/08/2013 05:32 AM
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So would you prefer to be allowed to burn coal, wood, whatever the fuck you want without emissions control, and wake up in the morning with the air looking like Beijing with 50 foot visibility and not seeing the sun for a week at a time?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49588397


Sir…… With all due respect…
I will burn what ever the F**k I can fit in the wood stove.

If it won’t fit, I will build a bigger stove.
I don’t have 400lb of welding rod on hand for grins and giggle..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49638322


THIS! I've got the supplies to build anything I can imagine and intend to do just that! Most wood stoves are too small anyway.

BTW, the Forest Service burns thousands of acres of woodland as "prescribed burns", and that's required to keep the forests from getting too full of fuel. It's good for them. If they don't burn regularly, we get the out of control crown fires that destroy forests for decades.

Don't tell me that my wood heater is going to make a difference. It won't.
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EPA Bans Most Wood-Burning Stoves
Written by: Tara Dodrill Politics October 2, 2013 53 Comments
[link to www.offthegridnews.com]

Wood-burning stoves offer warmth and enhance off-grid living options during cold weather months, but the tried-and-true heating devices now are under attack by the Environmental Protection Agency.

The EPA has banned the production and sale of the types of stoves used by about 80 percent of those with such stoves. The regulations limit the amount of “airborne fine-particle matter” to 12 micrograms per cubic meter of air. The current EPA regulations allow for 15 micrograms in the same amount of air space.

Most of the wood stoves currently nestled inside cabins and homes from coast-to-coast don’t meet the new environmental standard. The EPA launched a “Burn Wise” website to help convince the public that the new regulations were needed.
Trading in an old stove for a newer stove isn’t allowed.
“Replacing an older stove with a cleaner-burning stove will not improve air quality if the older stove is reused somewhere else,” the website says. “For this reason, wood stove change out programs usually require older stoves to be destroyed and recycled as scrap metal, or rendered inoperable.”
 Quoting: Smokey Bear 30356553



WHo the FUCK gave EPA authority on anything ? Fuck them wood burns is nature cannot ban nature yet these idiots openly allow real pollution of the radioactive and chemical variety daily to be poisoned into the air land and water ways

Yeah protection my ass, only thing they protect is corporate interests!!
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The bigger question I have is…. Will the DHS “disposal ovens” be required to meet those EPA emissions regulations? Or will obama give them a waver?

Because, heaven forbid that my last act in the world would be polluting the environment.
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OMG.

The next thing they'll ban is the


Bar-B-Que!!

Yea they'll ban that next.
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EPA Bans Most Wood-Burning Stoves
Written by: Tara Dodrill Politics October 2, 2013 53 Comments
[link to www.offthegridnews.com]

Wood-burning stoves offer warmth and enhance off-grid living options during cold weather months, but the tried-and-true heating devices now are under attack by the Environmental Protection Agency.

The EPA has banned the production and sale of the types of stoves used by about 80 percent of those with such stoves. The regulations limit the amount of “airborne fine-particle matter” to 12 micrograms per cubic meter of air. The current EPA regulations allow for 15 micrograms in the same amount of air space.

Most of the wood stoves currently nestled inside cabins and homes from coast-to-coast don’t meet the new environmental standard. The EPA launched a “Burn Wise” website to help convince the public that the new regulations were needed.
Trading in an old stove for a newer stove isn’t allowed.
“Replacing an older stove with a cleaner-burning stove will not improve air quality if the older stove is reused somewhere else,” the website says. “For this reason, wood stove change out programs usually require older stoves to be destroyed and recycled as scrap metal, or rendered inoperable.”
 Quoting: Smokey Bear 30356553


guess how many fucks I give about the EPA?


none

zip

zero

zilch
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The way thing are going the EPA will be using wood stoves themselves. Congress need to get them under control, they are over the EPA and they allow them to make up rule that are not constitutional!
 Quoting: Daughter


haha u sound like u're asleep... just woken up?
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The EPA can stick it up their ass. I will continue to use my wood stove.
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Montreal moves to eliminate all fireplaces within city limits




Homeowners with wood-burning stoves or fireplaces will have to permanently render them inoperable, have them removed, or have them replaced with a fireplace that burns gas or a stove that burns EPA-approved pellets.



[link to montreal.ctvnews.ca]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49588397


Replaced my pellet stove yesterday with a wood burner. Everybody in rural Oregon heats with wood. Fire ripped within a couple hundred yards of my house and burning dead fuel helps alleviate this risk.
The ashes help my garden. They want to put a meter on my well also.
No, no, y no.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48926262


They want to put a meter on your well??? alone





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