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Would you rather Taxes be raised for Healthcare and cut down on Military expenses?

 
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Would you rather Taxes be raised for Healthcare and cut down on Military expenses?
That's what's going on here in Canada.

We're taxed to the hilt.

If, per chance, Taxes were raised for the U.S. and you put said taxes into healthcare/education/etc, and cut back on military, would that be better? Not saying 'our' system is perfect (far from) but...

I'm looking at you guys (from an outside perspective) and see how much this 'obamacare' is hurting you.

How do you get blood out of a stone? How in the hell are people supposed to afford this upcoming obamacare?

The Answer?

YOU DON'T.

From my angle, it's like watching a train wreck in slow motion and can't do anything about it...but just watch. You KNOW the outcome, and still hope and pray that there'll be survivors, but in this case, the conductor jumped rails a few miles back and isn't going around dead mans' curve with the rest of the passengers.

Preferential Treatment:




Of course, you'll have to watch the whole episode above to see where a 'high official' is suddenly 'taken out of rank' and treated with medicines that *ahem* commoners receive.


It's funny where both our cultures are concerned. Canadian and American. We're very much alike, but in many cases...differences arise. Some good some bad.

For the (most part) Americans seem to enjoy Canadian Construct. We're deemed as the 'happy-go-lucky' sort to the north. The one's that wouldn't hurt a fly. Some view us as a STRONG nation, others could care less.

In case some Americans haven't heard of this one particular guy, I'd like to introduce a fellow Canadian by the name of TOMMY DOUGLAS.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to www.cupe1975.ca]


As I've said before, OUR healthcare up here is far from perfect but from my knowledge, our politicians never went out of their way to penalize (fine) those who couldn't afford healthcare insurance. To the point of taking said fine out of potential income tax refunds etc.

There's snake oils men and then there's obamacare. Is there a difference? Not much, except this time around they 'force' you to drink the liquid, or they put a spell(lien) against your crops(land/home) and withhold.

There's over 30 million people in Canada.
And over...300,000,000 people in the U.S.

There are times I think that there is actually a 2-tier experimental system in the continent of the Americas (sans Mexico).


One being played out in Canada, and the other in the U.S.

Whereby the U.S. crams in soooooooo many people in their country (1/2 landsize/resources) and have a 'free for all', and in Canada (soooooo much land/resources/etc) and have limited people.

One would think that with a population... the size of the U.S. that they would be able to take in LOADS OF CASH to help their people. Allocate taxes where they SHOULD go.

But Alas, that's not to be.

Have you seen lately where the taxes from the gas pumps go?

Over half of Canadian taxes go into healthcare and education /etc.

While over half of the American gas taxes go into MILITARY.

Check it out! Do your homework.

Talk about spreading yourself thinly.

Some would say, "Well without our strong military...you'd be nothing or taken over."

Others would say, "Jesus. H. Christ. You stuck your nose in where you shouldn't."

I'm saying...

There has to be a happy medium somewhere, and by filching ones own country for money that the general populous doesn't have - where obamacare is concerned, isn't going to cut it.

When the recession happened in 08' with the U.S. many wondered what would happen with Canada.

We obviously didn't fold and held our own.

WHAT was the difference?
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11/08/2013 05:36 PM
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Re: Would you rather Taxes be raised for Healthcare and cut down on Military expenses?
The federal government has not only a legitimate reason, but an obligation, to provide for a robust military.

It has ZERO legitimacy meddling in health care. NONE.
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Well?
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The federal government has not only a legitimate reason, but an obligation, to provide for a robust military.

It has ZERO legitimacy meddling in health care. NONE.
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Therein lays the downfall
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Well?
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Our taxes pay only the interest on the debt we accumulate. Taxes do not fund any government program.
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Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

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11/08/2013 05:40 PM
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Not particularly. The crime syndicate needs to end all operations in the health care market. The current health care "system" needs to be destroyed.
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11/08/2013 05:43 PM
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If we cut any part of our defense spending, china Russia or some other middle Eastern country will surely invade us. Don't you guys realize there's over 2.5 billion men women and children under communist and totalitarian control who will be forced to come jam a bayonet up your ass? The world isn't some virtuous place populated by peacemakers and heros. These fuckers will come over here, rape murder and enslave us and eradicate freedom from existence if we give up one dime from our military budget. I propose we give them more and less money to the NAACP. That way we can get ahead with space weapons and nanotechnology to turn our opponents into dust on command and continue to bring freedom and democracy to the rest of the planet.
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11/08/2013 05:45 PM
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How about a one square centimeter piece of skin from every vampire bankster for each billion their companies have received from the fed
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"There has to be a happy medium somewhere"
See you are operating the way the government operates. It operates on "should". SHOULD we do this? SHOULD we do that? Right now there is no limit on what it may do other than "should". As far as I'm concerned, Medicare, Medicaid, and Obamacare are unconstitutional. The government has no power to provide health care to anyone, by any means, except maybe soldiers.
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Not particularly. The crime syndicate needs to end all operations in the health care market. The current health care "system" needs to be destroyed.
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One thought comes to mind if the U.S. cuts back on Military:

"You won't be deemed as the most powerful military on earth."

How dare you look weak? lolol

The Cold War proved that already? Or did it?

Some say you should NEVER have stepped foot on Korean or Vietnam soil back in the day. How dare you should look weak in front of the Russians. You had no business being there in the first place.

You wouldn't have to be taking care of the Vets to this day right?

Look what it got you in the end.
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11/08/2013 05:49 PM
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"There has to be a happy medium somewhere"
See you are operating the way the government operates. It operates on "should". SHOULD we do this? SHOULD we do that? Right now there is no limit on what it may do other than "should". As far as I'm concerned, Medicare, Medicaid, and Obamacare are unconstitutional. The government has no power to provide health care to anyone, by any means, except maybe soldiers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49663850


The government (when run properly) should ENSURE that folks get EQUAL treatment. And not just to soldiers.
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11/08/2013 05:52 PM
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Re: Would you rather Taxes be raised for Healthcare and cut down on Military expenses?
If we cut any part of our defense spending, china Russia or some other middle Eastern country will surely invade us. Don't you guys realize there's over 2.5 billion men women and children under communist and totalitarian control who will be forced to come jam a bayonet up your ass? The world isn't some virtuous place populated by peacemakers and heros. These fuckers will come over here, rape murder and enslave us and eradicate freedom from existence if we give up one dime from our military budget. I propose we give them more and less money to the NAACP. That way we can get ahead with space weapons and nanotechnology to turn our opponents into dust on command and continue to bring freedom and democracy to the rest of the planet.
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Above anything..."Charity begins at home"

If we can't treat our own with same justice, then how can we treat others?

Anyone remember the military board game called 'Risk'?
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11/08/2013 05:54 PM
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Re: Would you rather Taxes be raised for Healthcare and cut down on Military expenses?
If we cut any part of our defense spending, china Russia or some other middle Eastern country will surely invade us. Don't you guys realize there's over 2.5 billion men women and children under communist and totalitarian control who will be forced to come jam a bayonet up your ass? The world isn't some virtuous place populated by peacemakers and heros. These fuckers will come over here, rape murder and enslave us and eradicate freedom from existence if we give up one dime from our military budget. I propose we give them more and less money to the NAACP. That way we can get ahead with space weapons and nanotechnology to turn our opponents into dust on command and continue to bring freedom and democracy to the rest of the planet.
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This has to be sarcasm.. no one is stupid enough to believe that.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

Or something
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11/08/2013 05:57 PM
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Not particularly. The crime syndicate needs to end all operations in the health care market. The current health care "system" needs to be destroyed.
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also in most other markets like education, business ; list is long
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Re: Would you rather Taxes be raised for Healthcare and cut down on Military expenses?
If we cut any part of our defense spending, china Russia or some other middle Eastern country will surely invade us. Don't you guys realize there's over 2.5 billion men women and children under communist and totalitarian control who will be forced to come jam a bayonet up your ass? The world isn't some virtuous place populated by peacemakers and heros. These fuckers will come over here, rape murder and enslave us and eradicate freedom from existence if we give up one dime from our military budget. I propose we give them more and less money to the NAACP. That way we can get ahead with space weapons and nanotechnology to turn our opponents into dust on command and continue to bring freedom and democracy to the rest of the planet.
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Wow.

Canada doesn't have even HALF of the amount of human expenditure in the U.S. military and we're not being invaded....

Do you think it's solely because of U.S. military and we're under their umbrella?

Let me remind you...

Canada went into WW2 well before the U.S. did. We held our own at Dieppe and will CONTINUE to hold our own....

This isn't a pissing contest.

As I mentioned before in my OP whether the U.S. should 'pan down' on monies towards healthcare and primarily FOCUS on healing itself at this point in time.


"If there's no one 'healthy' to fight for its own nation, then would could it hope for but to replace the band aids that scab it?
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11/08/2013 06:04 PM
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Do you seriously think your government could survive a scrutiny by a forensic accountant?
Government is a body largely ungoverned.
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Re: Would you rather Taxes be raised for Healthcare and cut down on Military expenses?
If we cut any part of our defense spending, china Russia or some other middle Eastern country will surely invade us. Don't you guys realize there's over 2.5 billion men women and children under communist and totalitarian control who will be forced to come jam a bayonet up your ass? The world isn't some virtuous place populated by peacemakers and heros. These fuckers will come over here, rape murder and enslave us and eradicate freedom from existence if we give up one dime from our military budget. I propose we give them more and less money to the NAACP. That way we can get ahead with space weapons and nanotechnology to turn our opponents into dust on command and continue to bring freedom and democracy to the rest of the planet.
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This has to be sarcasm.. no one is stupid enough to believe that.
 Quoting: RelentlessDespot


used to. the new feature is terrorism and when that gets boring we will justify the living standard and taxes with meteors and/or aliens
Government is a body largely ungoverned.
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How about a one square centimeter piece of skin from every vampire bankster for each billion their companies have received from the fed
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building a circus tent?
Government is a body largely ungoverned.
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Do you seriously think your government could survive a scrutiny by a forensic accountant?
 Quoting: Kirk


DO YOU?
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what an illogical way to scare people off cutting military industrial welfare. the reason to cut military expenditures is to not raise taxes. op sucks from a pig's teat
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what an illogical way to scare people off cutting military industrial welfare. the reason to cut military expenditures is to not raise taxes. op sucks from a pig's teat
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Of course you'd say that.

It's about putting money into the very things that count.

But why would you suck off a dry military teat when you can get more milk from healthcare and what not.
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what an illogical way to scare people off cutting military industrial welfare. the reason to cut military expenditures is to not raise taxes. op sucks from a pig's teat
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Of course you'd say that.

It's about putting money into the very things that count.

But why would you suck off a dry military teat when you can get more milk from healthcare and what not.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11905330


we'll see as we move deeper into our military-command economy
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11/08/2013 06:33 PM
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Re: Would you rather Taxes be raised for Healthcare and cut down on Military expenses?
The federal government has not only a legitimate reason, but an obligation, to provide for a robust military.

It has ZERO legitimacy meddling in health care. NONE.
 Quoting: goodmockingbird



the military has never stopped a single invader from Mexico, it owes us trillions in reparations. It needs to sell every plane and ship and tank and repay the American people for ever gallon of gas it has sucked up.
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what an illogical way to scare people off cutting military industrial welfare. the reason to cut military expenditures is to not raise taxes. op sucks from a pig's teat
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Of course you'd say that.

It's about putting money into the very things that count.

But why would you suck off a dry military teat when you can get more milk from healthcare and what not.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11905330


we'll see as we move deeper into our military-command economy
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That's what I'm afraid about.

Something has to give. If it already hasn't in the U.S.

I'm NOT fear mongering. Just presenting something...alternative. A 'proven' alternative.

The question remains:

Why can't the U.S. up their taxes to alleviate health care costs instead of the proposed obamacare plan?

Whereby people are fined if they don't comply...whereby people lose their homes...whereby people lose necessary insurance plans when obama LIED about 'keeping' their own insurance policies.

And what happened?

Was their a hidden 'addendum' to these things that your president said?

"Yes you can keep this and that" (as long as they don't go against...") - 4 yrs later addendum


It's like those 'bogus genie in a bottle rubbings' we hear about. Or Edgar Allens's 'Monkey's Paw'.

YOU GET WHAT YOU WISH FOR, BUT THERE'S A PRICE TO PAY.
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no, that is insanity.

we would be healthy sitting ducks.

quack, quack.

and hey, if obummercare is as bad as they say, we would be unhealthy sitting ducks.
we only have each other. And that makes us rich.. . .
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Re: Would you rather Taxes be raised for Healthcare and cut down on Military expenses?
The federal government has not only a legitimate reason, but an obligation, to provide for a robust military.

It has ZERO legitimacy meddling in health care. NONE.
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fuck the military. we dont need half of it.
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Re: Would you rather Taxes be raised for Healthcare and cut down on Military expenses?
The federal government has not only a legitimate reason, but an obligation, to provide for a robust military.

It has ZERO legitimacy meddling in health care. NONE.
 Quoting: goodmockingbird



the military has never stopped a single invader from Mexico, it owes us trillions in reparations. It needs to sell every plane and ship and tank and repay the American people for ever gallon of gas it has sucked up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49664564


That is the fault of policy makers, not of the military.
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Re: Would you rather Taxes be raised for Healthcare and cut down on Military expenses?
If you get rid of regulations on health insurance companies, rates would go down. The free market almost always finds an equilibrium. No need for socialist healthcare.
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cut down on military spending
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Re: Would you rather Taxes be raised for Healthcare and cut down on Military expenses?
The federal government has not only a legitimate reason, but an obligation, to provide for a robust military.

It has ZERO legitimacy meddling in health care. NONE.
 Quoting: goodmockingbird



the military has never stopped a single invader from Mexico, it owes us trillions in reparations. It needs to sell every plane and ship and tank and repay the American people for ever gallon of gas it has sucked up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49664564


That is the fault of policy makers, not of the military.
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and if the military are the policymakers as it appears they are then what. do you like what you see under military planning - regardless of the discourse





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