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Why the Book of Enoch is not included in the Bible? Because it foretold the truth about Jesus and the Fallen Angels

 
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OOPS!

I meant to say in the opening line that no where in the Bible does it state that humans were created to be IMMORTAL.

Big typo.
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Let me add this, if humans were created immortal, why was God worried they would eat from the (forbidden) tree of life after they had learned sin?

Immortals don't need to eat food that will make you immortal.
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the catholic position on €noch is misguided. The sole basis is Jesus saying there is no marrying or being given in marriage in heaven...

Angels didn't "marry" or have sex in heaven... They always came to Earth to have sex with mankind. The bible does not contradict and Jesus speaks truth. One must wonder if a major reason that angels fell was their consuming desire to have sex. It also ties in with my lust is such a heinous sin in Gods eyes. Perhaps when we lust and fornicate we are participating in the original sin of the sons of god who left their heavenly abode.

The book of Jude references Enoch and its well known that 1st century Jews would have held these opinions on angels, read the works of Josephus... Its stated matter of factly that this was the perception.

Angels corrupting human DNA and perverting the human race was the major reason for the flood (Noah was saved because he was clean or genetically pure), the reason for the genocide of Canaan and its precisely why geneaologies were so important to Jews... Jesus had to come from a pure bloodline. The bible is unified on this!
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You make some good points. I would like to add that it doesn't exactly say that the fallen wanted sex. Instead, it mentions that they want to produce children, like the humans do. In essence, they wanted to create something from themselves. Sex was just the (enjoyable) method of getting what they really wanted.

We also see this in that the fallen took a lot of time in teaching their hybrids everything that they knew about the physical world. Thus, they were investing time in their kids, making sure they got the best education they could.

We can see this in the Book of Enoch in God's reprimand of the fallen through Enoch;

First He says to them, listen, I made you (angels) eternal spirits. Thus, you have no need to "continue"/replace yourselves through a new generation. Humans were created as mortals, and for this reason I made them men and women, and gave them children.

Second, the offspring you did produce are damned, as they are born of (pre-Christ) human sin (fallen status = damned souls) and eternal spirits (angels). This equals eternally damned souls with zero chance of redemption. (Small wonder they were out-of-control, greedy, warring cannibals.)

Third, the stuff you taught your hybrid kids is both destructive and nothing. There is so much more to the universe that you angels never got the chance to learn yet, and now you will never get the chance to learn it, nor will they.

Forth, you were too cowardly to come to me and ask forgiveness? You send Enoch on your behalves, instead? When it is your job to serve humanity, not the other way around?
Shame on you!

I am going to bind you up and make you watch their destruction, except for 10% of them, which I have given to the accuser of mankind, so that he can do as I have consented. The spirits of your disembodied children will walk the earth until the final judgment.

Enoch, are you getting all of this? I really didn't want humanity to be taught writing just yet, but since so many people know how to do it now, you might as well learn, too, because I want you to write down what has happened, plus a few messages to future generations.

Ok, it doesn't go exactly like that, but it does give the gist of things. As you can see, the angels weren't really pervs. They wanted to create images of themselves without need for it. Disaster ensued.
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The problem with the argument that generations resulted from mortality is that it doesn't hold water. God's edict to man and the rest of creation was to be fruitful and multiply prior to eating from the tree of knowledge and going into sin. The design precedes mortality.
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I understand your point, but no where in the Bible or any other text does it state that God created humankind to be mortal.

When He tells Adam and Eve that, if they should eat from the Tree of Knowledge, they will die, He is referring to their spirits, not their bodies.

This is how the serpent beguiles Eve into eating it in the first place...he tells her, "Surely you will not die", meaning her body, and immediately. (She was afraid that, if she ate it, she would drop dead ASAP.) And, when she didn't die, she got Adam to go along for the ride.

Later on in the Bible, we see that God states that their prolonged age is no longer required, as there were enough people at that time to ensure continued reproduction.


Science upholds this finding in lab studies: When ANY species is kept from mating until the last feasible moment to allow conception, the succeeding generation lives longer and stays young for a longer duration. I that generation, in turn, waits until the last possible window to conceive before old age, their offspring live even longer.

Something about the stressing of the DNA triggers extended lifespans. They don't know how this works, but it does.

Conversely, when scientists had various species mate as early as possible, the life expectancy of each succeeding generation grew shorter and shorter.

From a species preservation perspective, this makes complete sense; as populations decline, DNA stressors occur with later mating (due to lack of mating options) and life expectancies go up. When species populations explode, mate availability skyrockets, and DNA stressors disappear, lowering life expectancy.

Thus, humans were created mortal, were initially given really long life expectancies, and these were decreased by design as mate availability increased. What WAS immortal about us was our spirits, which would have gone directly to God upon physical death. Now we have to sleep until the final judgment.
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You are just plain incorrect. Death is death. God told Adam and Eve that if they ate from the tree of knowledge they shall surely die. From that point, once the transgression took place, the effort was to redeem mankind. The wages of sin is death, man is appointed to die only once because of going into sin, and the originator of sin is satan. All of that is biblical. If it was a totally spiritual thing as some on this message board claim, then there would have been no point to Christ coming in flesh and dying on the cross for our sins nor his resurrection. The victory is over this death through Christ. We are transformed to glory at the seventh trumpet, but there is something God found of enough importance to save flesh.

We do know that flesh will be saved and the final generation that appears when Israel becomes a nation will not pass. We also know that the days will be shortened and flesh saved for the elect's sake.
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Enoch walked with God for 300 years

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water, Enoch walked on water
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Enoch
Is just another catholic written false teaching by the opposers of jesus christ
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if you get a 1599 Geneva Bible (the one w all the cool notes) you will see that it says Godly men mated w Godless women, and that created the giants/heros of old...

Walter Veith has a good vid on the many changes to most modern bibles and the agenda behind it:


Walter Veith (13) Battle of the Bibles /Total Onslaught

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Julius Rosenberg , Ethel rosenberg and PETER BECHT mated and created tracey and craig kennedy
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iNTERESTING.
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Enoch is a wonderful revealing book. God loved Enoch as he lived righteously before Him, so He revealed a great deal to Enoch, such as the movement of the sun, the storehouses of rain, hail, snow, the movement of the 4 winds of Earth.

It also speaks in parables, like the Lord Yahshua did, and revealed many end time events and the return of the Lord and the gathering of the righteous. It is not an easy read, but is a blessing for those who are given to understand, just like the Book of Revelation which gives a blessing for all those who read that book and are guided by the Holy Spirit of things to come.

R. Charles has provided us with a good English translation.
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Someone correct me if im wrong here its been to long since I studied it but the Apollo/Apollyon connection. Wasn't he written about in hebrew tradition as Abaddon? I seem to remember there were a bunch of different names all a play off the same entity kindof like Moloch is. In egyptian culture a son of Isis? Can anyone confirm this?

To me it was always a case of these entities being borrowed, sometimes with slight names adjustments, throughout the course of time but you cant even begin to see it until you identify the source of all of them.
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Here is a good link for a PDF file that explains the origins of the Mystery Religion. A lot of this stuff overwhelmed me at first b/c the deception is so great. I would recommend his website for one and all as He has been studying now for over twenty years.

[link to ravshaul.org]
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+1 an excellent site to learn from.
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bad link...:(
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Book of Enoch PDF....

[link to www.hermetics.org]
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After the September shit Book of Enoch still rocks
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OP speaks truth. I have been shown the rightiousness that the lord of spirits instructed enoch to reveal.
And if i may quote 1 Enoch.

Enoch was 6th or 7th son of Adam that the Lord Of Spirits had and has CHOSEN of all man to scribe these things.

"1 The words of the blessing of Enoch, with which he blessed the
elect and righteous, who will be living in the day of tribulation,
when all the wicked and godless are to be removed.
2 And he began his story saying: Enoch a righteous man, whose
eyes were opened by God, saw the vision of the Holy One in
heaven, which the angels showed me, and I heard everything from
them, and I saw and understood, but it was not for this generation,
but for a remote one which is to come."

I find the first 2 parts of 1 enoch to be.... Well you decide this is FOR as the bible states "Question all things." And also states "For those with eyes to see and ears to hear." If you don't question all things by now then you must not have eyes to see and ears to hear.

Scripture if this sort i have come beyond belief I now know it holds truth and righteousness.

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Why Was the Book of Enoch Rejected from the Bible?
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I think there is much truth about what really happened before Noah's flood that is not convenient for some of who are in power. Giants skeletons, hybrid evil beings, fallen angels known as the watchers caused destruction among the children of men, contamination of human dna, and much more happened. I highly recommend this series 'Book of Enoch Watchers Nephilim Rephaim & Fallen Angels' which is a key part to understand the mysterious puzzle of the fallen angels, Nephilims and Rephaims that shows in the book of Genesis. The Book of Enoch was a best seller in the old world, revealing the mysteries behind the prior seven generations after Adam and before Noah and the flood. Here you can watch the whole series
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If you say God had a son , then you imply that God is not infinite or eternal, since the sole purpose or reproduction and having offsring is to ensure survival of your species after you die. So when you say God had a son you are saying God can and will die.

if you say God had a son it implies that he is a being type which uses reproduction in which case you are saying God had a mother and father, So you are saying God was born and not eternal. You also saying that God had a partner, unless you are saying God is asexual. Thus you are saying God is not the almighty and not One, but part of a group of 'almightys' like the avengers.

If you look at humans as an example. When one feels he is powerful and has everything he becomes selfish, withdrawn and looks down as people as though he is better and does not need them. Why then would the Almighty God who does have everything and and does not need us, need to have partners or offspring.

No the sole purpose of Jesus was to be a prophet to portray a message to humans in the form that we can understand. As we would not be able to comprehend or behold God. We can however understand special people who have a strong connection with God who pass the divine knowledge to us. many prophets before him did the same thing hence he would not need 'a son' to do what men before Jesus have done.
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if you get a 1599 Geneva Bible (the one w all the cool notes) you will see that it says Godly men mated w Godless women, and that created the giants/heros of old...

Walter Veith has a good vid on the many changes to most modern bibles and the agenda behind it:


Walter Veith (13) Battle of the Bibles /Total Onslaught

[link to www.youtube.com]
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if you get a 1599 Geneva Bible (the one w all the cool notes) you will see that it says Godly men mated w Godless women, and that created the giants/heros of old...

Walter Veith has a good vid on the many changes to most modern bibles and the agenda behind it:


Walter Veith (13) Battle of the Bibles /Total Onslaught

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49889043


You have hit the nail on the head. Angels do not have sex and mate with humans. It was the sons of God (Godly people) and the daughters of men (carnal people).
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How does a godly man and an ungodly woman procreate and create demi-gods like Hercules?

Keep lying to yourself.
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How does a White woman procreate with an Ape-ish Niqqer that has the cunning wits of a Son of God, yet the strength of a Primate Ape and the Moral Ineptitude of a Niqqer/Animal?

It happens! and has since the olden days.

The GodMen of this sphere were forbidden to mate with the Maninals of this world. We were instructed and it is only right morally, to help them as all good husbandry-ist should any animal. But we are also allowed to protect our selves from the rampaging feral ones that would wish to do us harm.

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"1st circle of heaven"
2nd circle of heaven"
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different solar systems and different planets
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The history before Noah's Flood is mysteriously absent from the books. Once you start to research the pre-history, you will see why they omitted the record.
It's deep.
Did you know that Noah was actually a black albino?
*Mind Blown* it's good stuff, but be ready to accept a different version of human kind.
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The history before Noah's Flood is mysteriously absent from the books. Once you start to research the pre-history, you will see why they omitted the record.
It's deep.
Did you know that Noah was actually a black albino?
*Mind Blown* it's good stuff, but be ready to accept a different version of human kind.
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no...he was raidant...the ancients texts are unclear as to his true origins
some groups claiming he was partly divine

it is all an interesting tale
but one of a scientific, greatly misunderstood experience from the perspective of new humans
the first humans, they had limited vocabularies and lacked the words to express what it was they actually were seeing.
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The christian god said you shall have no other gods before me.

Not there are no other gods besides me.

Two different things. Thwre are other gods we arent supposed to acknowlwdge then?
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace" Jimi Hendrix
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The christian god said you shall have no other gods before me.

Not there are no other gods besides me.

Two different things. Thwre are other gods we arent supposed to acknowlwdge then?
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It's an interesting subject.
I was blown away when I reread Genesis 6.

The sons of God / the daughters of MSN, they got together and had children, and those children were mighty, they lived along time, there were giants back then.

The whole thing just opens your mind.

So then your next question is:. Who was the "Sons of God"? It's a great personal journey from that point forward.
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*The sons of God / the daughters of Man.

Typo. Apologies!
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The Book of Ezra is a must read for end time prophecy as well.
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