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Why the Book of Enoch is not included in the Bible? Because it foretold the truth about Jesus and the Fallen Angels

 
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Great wisdom on this thread!

Now, tell me this, what do you think of the recent Catholic revelation that Jesus Christ is actually the son of Lucifer??
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You have two things right in that sentence, Catholic and Lucifer. Aren't they one and the same?

:A devil:
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


lol
We may not see everything the same way but for this if we were ever allowed to draw swords I would stand hip to hip with you forever. hugs
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It's ok by not seeing eye to eye brother. The good news is that we learn from one another while there is time to do so. Often one can learn by embracing the perspective of another. The Book is rather large, and YHWH reveals different verses to different people. No one has the complete truth right now.

So I like to see it, the Truth, as a quilt being sown by what has been revealed to many different people. The fabric being the word, and we're the stitches coming together to make something otherwise in pieces, functional.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


Very good I agree completely! I think to know everything would be a heavy burden maybe to hear at times. We were never meant to make this journey alone and fellowship with others of like mind is a critical thing. He never wanted an island He wanted a nation and if possible all souls. Other people make your walk easier and the burdens of this world lighter. The trick is keeping yourself just open enough you dont fall for every charlatan trick in the book lol.
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This will help provide clarity ....



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You have two things right in that sentence, Catholic and Lucifer. Aren't they one and the same?

A devil
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


lol
We may not see everything the same way but for this if we were ever allowed to draw swords I would stand hip to hip with you forever. hugs
 Quoting: ByFaithAlone


It's ok by not seeing eye to eye brother. The good news is that we learn from one another while there is time to do so. Often one can learn by embracing the perspective of another. The Book is rather large, and YHWH reveals different verses to different people. No one has the complete truth right now.

So I like to see it, the Truth, as a quilt being sown by what has been revealed to many different people. The fabric being the word, and we're the stitches coming together to make something otherwise in pieces, functional.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


Very good I agree completely! I think to know everything would be a heavy burden maybe to hear at times. We were never meant to make this journey alone and fellowship with others of like mind is a critical thing. He never wanted an island He wanted a nation and if possible all souls. Other people make your walk easier and the burdens of this world lighter. The trick is keeping yourself just open enough you dont fall for every charlatan trick in the book lol.
 Quoting: ByFaithAlone


You're absolutely right about your island and nation analogy. Somehow and someway Yahweh will gather His chosen (predestined) people and bring them together in every country and every nation. I believe this will be a very pivotal role for the two witnesses, gathering the herd and helping YHWH deliver them into their promised inheritance; whilst Yahwah fulfills the prophecy found in Isaiah 27 verse 9.

Much the same story of Moses and Aaron when leading those out of Egypt with Yahweh clearing the path before them, and protecting the path behind them, and no amount of modern weapons will be able to withstand the sheer power and majesty of Yahweh.
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Great wisdom on this thread!

Now, tell me this, what do you think of the recent Catholic revelation that Jesus Christ is actually the son of Lucifer??
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I dont know about that but what I do know about the Vatican is that they have built a large telescope named lucifer.
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The first lowest level apostasy occurred in the Vatican. Constantine was the first official 'pope' as Emperor He was in charge of the State and The Church. His first act was to abolish the real Sabbath and ordain Sunday rest and worship to His Sun God Baal.

He killed the true saints that wouldn't convert over to this new 'universal' religion. Catholic means universal. What did Nimrod try to do? Create an universal religion and state.

The RCC has been the seat of Satan's church every since!

:Bent staff:
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THIS is what I was referring to:


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Satan seems to be using every argument he can come up with to discredit Jesus, but does he really have the Catholic Church in on it with him?
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Satan seems to be using every argument he can come up with to discredit Jesus, but does he really have the Catholic Church in on it with him?
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The will to oppose God is not confined to elements in the Catholic Church. Anywhere there is a Christian effort, you can see signs of infiltration and efforts to deceive the flock by what ever means possible.

The biggest deception is to believe this world should have another day. There is but one Kingdom. To consider yourself anything less that a citizen or the desire to be a citizen of the Kingdom of God results in the world we have today.

It goes back to the original sin where satan told Eve that she could be as God if she ate from the tree of knowledge. Instead of embracing of God's ways and laws, the world tries to forge a will and way that is contrary. It is an illusion where the victim thinks the gray area created between light and darkness is reality. The nation or nations that emerge from this illusion are subject to the mystery babylon. We only have to look at what fate befell the Israelites when they left God's ways. It is babylonian occupation and captivity. This US is at the forefront of this process. The fight in the light formation or destruction for the natural is what you see as the false reality. The spiritual fight is all around you. The collective mindset produces what you see before you.

The first emperor, nimrod (means "we shall rebel") - There's your seed for the son of perdition and the first of the eight kings of Revelation). In the son of perdition seed is the growth for the abomination of desolation which is the desire to destroy mankind. From biblegateway.com Genesis 11:And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. "Let us" infers that collective mindset.
5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
6 And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. A similar situation prevails on the globe today. Darkness encompasses the collective thought process and English has become the language predominantly used by the world. There are only two ways to go, and that is to salvation through Yeshuau (Jesus Christ) or to eternal damnation by what opposes him.
7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth. Notice this passage is the reverse of 9:11.

Now let's go back to Genesis 11:2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
Look at where Shinar is. [link to www.bing.com]

Shinar is "Mesopotamia". In the spiritual fight and the formation of the mystery babylon, the US is no different. Earlier I had said that mesori is the egyptian name for the 12th month. It is what names the state of "missouri" is named from not to mention the hebrew word "mizraim" which means egypt. [link to en.wikipedia.org] The word gives rise to the precolombian naming of mesoamerica. Look at the second part of the word. It is potamia or a derivation of "potomac" which flows beside Washington DC. The mimicking of Alexandria, Va to alexandria, egypt is there as well.

Christ said at his death "Father forgive them for they know not what they do." That describes a good portion of the populace that lives in this fog. You are instructed to come out of mystery babylon. Mesori means "birth of the sun". This shows the tie in to the apollyon-apollo theme to be brought in by the eighth and final chapter of the antichrist in flesh. It is not by coincidence that the worship day was changed to "Sun"day nor the name for the pagan holiday of Christmas is known as "X"mas. As I said earlier, nimrod, used the "X" and the dragon/serpent emblem. Upon nimrod's death, semiramis (his wife) deified him as 'the false sun god" to set the process in motion.
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How do you come out of Mystery Babylon??
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And what is the correct worship day?
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How do you come out of Mystery Babylon??
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Saying the Lord's Prayer is a good start. Knowing what Matthew 21:21 means and walking away from the doubt is good. Praying for Matthew 3:11 to be fulfilled and receiving your Book of Life name is another. Jeremiah 33:3 is great as well.
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I used to love the Book of Enoch and talked it up quite a bit, BUT it is not biblical that angels can mate, period.

In fact, one of the reasons lucifer and co resent humans is because we are closer to God in the ability to create new life.

there may be some truth to the book, but there is also probably a lot of classic "gnostic" distraction...

it can easily be seen that someone saw that Enoch never died and decided to write a back story...

and the luciferian supernatural has been guiding humanity towards nwo via tptb for thousands of years... this book could be just another "sandy hook" in a Batman movie...

creatives are conduits for supernatural, that's why they use a lot of altered states to create... and traditionally, world leaders rely on "spirit worshippers" for guidance...
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I would disagree that the angels were incapable of mating. Throughout the OT, there are many examples where these beings take human form and are able to sit and EAT FOOD with humans. There are also many instances where it states that they are able to change their forms at will.

Thus, when they choose to be in human form, they can do all things physically human. They are shape shifters that can flux between the spiritual and material realms.

As for "gnostic distraction", you are aware that fragments of the Book of Enoch were found amongst the Dead Sea Scrolls, right? The wording of the found fragments exactly match the Ethiopian texts we read today.

The gnostics did not arise until after the death of Christ. The Dead Sea Scrolls were written BEFORE the birth of Christ, meticulously copied by the Essenes.

Thus, the gnostics didn't get the chance to get their dirty little mitts on the Enoch texts.

In this text and in Jubilees, Lucifer is described as the "Accuser" of humanity. In Jubilees, we see that God has an agreement with the resentful one, allowing him to try humankind to test their faith in God. God even goes so far as to allow the king of the fallen ten percent of the nephilim to do his dirty work. It is a continuation of the trial of Job's faith, only globalized.
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if you get a 1599 Geneva Bible (the one w all the cool notes) you will see that it says Godly men mated w Godless women, and that created the giants/heros of old...

Walter Veith has a good vid on the many changes to most modern bibles and the agenda behind it:


Walter Veith (13) Battle of the Bibles /Total Onslaught

[link to www.youtube.com]
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You have hit the nail on the head. Angels do not have sex and mate with humans. It was the sons of God (Godly people) and the daughters of men (carnal people).
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Neither of you thoroughly read the opening post;

By 1599, the interpretation of the text had been purposefully changed to "Godly men and godless women". There were variations of this, as well...The sons of Seth mating with the Daughters of Cain...which is essentially the same interpretation.

Again, this edition went out of its way to CHANGE the original translation, because they did not like the idea of angels mating with humans.
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Jasher was a far more prolific book containing dates and time of the Patriarchs but it was neither included in the canon.
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Jasher is a wonderful book and gives great accounts of Abraham and Nimrod. One can see the 'mystery' religion being developed. Also, goes in depth in the life of Jacob.

Esau killed Nimrod according to Jasher
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Nimrod was an interesting character, described as being descended from the giants...a nephilim hybrid. His bed is described as being extremely long, built that way to fit his very tall stature.
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No. The book of Enoch is not Holy Ghost inspired. It is heresy.

It is merely text, with a little bit of tRuth. The book of Jude mentioning Enoch doesn't even allude to this text being correct.

The book of Enoch says that the angels of God taught him astrology. God in thebBible forbids it.

The book of Enoch says that there's three places for souls to go after death, while the Bible clearly states that the soul is merely in slumber until the day of judgment.

These are but a few clashes which this book has. Yeah, the fallen angel story attracts you, but oh where does the rest of the road lead??? If the Holy Ghost Himself won't confirm that books authenticity, then leave it be. You have been warned.
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Gah...the FALLEN angels teach both astronomy and astrology to the humans.

God does not dislike astronomy. In fact, He tells us to study the skies for signs from Him. This is why the magi are welcomed to Jesus' birth site...the practiced astronomy.

Astrology, however, is hokum that absolutely distracts from the real message. This is why it is prohibited.

The fallen also taught some other, nasty things, like how to use metallurgy to create weapons of mass destruction and how to conduct war. (These are ascribed to Azazel, who is singled out as the one who will be most gravely punished at the end time.)

And Jesus actually quotes Enoch, twice, so I am pretty sure that He was ok with it.
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The last destruction of world involved the breaking of the firmament and destruction by water. what covered by flood waters has arisen. The secrets of the land are being revealed. The giants and the haplogroup X were in Israel prior and during the Jews taking possession and came to the Americas via the Phoenicians. They are the hybrid products of fallen angels. TPTB try to keep this secret from you and create a false history you are taught in public schools. This time it will be the destruction of light as we see it. A third of quantum mechanics has been used to create a serpent matrix. Why do you think satan could tempt Jesus for forty days with a string of failed Kingdoms?
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And I am telling you YHWH hated these hybrids. He had those angels bound so they could see their sons being butchered. I am telling you this is the real reason why David was brought forth. Saul failed to annihilate these 'hybrid' tribes. David and His cousins took care of the rest.

Saul let their King live, and sacrificed their animals as burnt offerings. Yahweh didn't even want the association to their animals.
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They were in North America as well. The haplogroup X is cursed. The sins to produce an antichrist is in it.
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I am going to have to research this haplogroup X. I knew the giants were in North America, and I know some of Solomon's ship made it here b/c of the stones they have found with the commandments written in Hebrew.

So if I recall genetics Haploid being a single group, like a dominant carrier gene that can express is diploid.

Need to break out the book again.
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While you are looking into this, also check out haplogroups and the incidence of what we call today "sociopathy" and "psychopathy".
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OP you are full of shit. The only people who were in Israel before Israel were the Canaanites. The Hebrews moved into their Homes. Your bible even states this.

There were no Hybrids or Giants, all New Age Bullshit.
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Hahahahahaa!

"New Age"?

I guess Jesus was a hippie, then.

And you are right, the Canaanites were there first, but they are CLEARLY described as the children of the nephilim, large in stature. That is why God orders them to be slain, down to the last man, woman and child.

They were never meant to exist. They were genetically violent and spiritually doomed from their conception.
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After the fall of Constantinople, (1453 C.E.) many texts of the Roman and Greek culture reached the West. On the other hand, the legend of the angelic uprising was known in the east of the Empire. A Bar Hebraeus (1226 - 1286) wrote an extensive chronography on the subject:


"...Therefore, according to what time hath brought, I, having entered the Library of the city of MARAGHAH of ADHORBIJAN, have loaded up this my little book with narratives ... from many volumes of the Syrians, Saracens (Arab), and Persians which are preserved here....
After Adam came Seth his son. In the time of Seth, when his sons remembered the blessed life (which they had led) in Paradise, they went up into the mountain of Hermon, and there they led a chaste and holy life, being remote from carnal intercourse; and for this reason they were called IRE , meaning watchers and sons of Alohim. ... After Seth came Anosh his son ... although he submitted to marriage, he was not neglectful in pleasing God, and he did so more than those who chose a life of virginity and who went up into the mountain of Hermon, but who did not abide in their covenant ...
...And in the fortieth year of Yard [biblical Yared]... the Sons of God, about two hundred souls, came down from the mountain of Hermon, because they had lost all hope of a return to Paradise. And because they lusted for carnal intercourse with women, their brethren the sons of Seth and Anosh despised them, and regarded them as transgressors of the covenant, and they refused to give them their daughters. And because of this, they went to the children of Cain, and took wives, and begat mighty men of names ... notorious for murders and robberies. Moreover, they set up over them the first king, a man whose name was Samyazos.


This above was from another poster.

I would like to note that this text, like so many others, was a reinterpretation of actual ancient texts, written during the dark ages, when literal translations were being covered up.
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The Nature of God is to Create
Man was created in the image of God
What does men want to do, create!
Look around You and see all that man has used his hands to create, well some of us anyway
We create life (babies) because we were create in the image of God.
It is sort of simple!


Genesis 5

5 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

Genesis 3
22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

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This quote has come up a few times in this thread and it has everything to do with Enoch;

Enoch, among other things, chronicles spiritual descent:

(1) The angels, who once dwelled with God in heaven come to earth. (They are not yet fallen at this point.)

(2) They then take on human form, which is a change from the entirely spiritual into a soul, which is defined in the Bible as spirit + flesh.

(3) They "fall" by doing many things they should not be doing. God is most upset, however, by two things: (a) They created a literally damned hybrid offspring race (I'll get to that in a moment, as this is very important to the quote.) and (b) Azazel, to whom annual goat sacrifices are still made, taught humans how to kill each other with great efficiency.

(4) The hybrid children, who go by at least a dozen names but are most commonly called the nephilim, are doomed right from the start. Pay attention to this:

They are neither entirely spirit nor entirely human.

Thus, when they die, they cannot join God in heaven. Nor can they rest with the human souls until the day of final judgment.

They are doomed to wander the earth, fleshless, until the last.

(5) Once dead, the wandering, eternal spirits of the nephilim become what most call demons.

In the NT, we see Jesus take pity on Legion, when they beg to stay on earth a bit longer, as they know their final fate, come the end of days.

Jesus allows them to enter a herd of pigs, and then they cast themselves into the sea, so that they can be released back into their pure spirit forms (free of a possessed body) to continue walking the earth.

(6) The final descent has yet to happen, when the demons (physically dead nephilim) and their fathers meet the exact same fate.

How does all of this tie into God removing the tree of life from the Garden of Eden?

Did he really want to prevent humans from becoming like mini-gods? (That would be mean, wouldn't it?)

Hardly. Humans had already eaten from the tree of knowledge, so we came to understand sin. Once you understand and then knowingly do wrong, then you may be judged. We all fail this judgment at some time or another.

We, then, like the nephilim, were doomed right from the start.

What, then, would have become of us if we then lived immortal, physical lives? The implications?...

We were to walk immortally in sin, then being incapable of salvation for all of time.

Taking the tree of life and allowing us physical death and THEN eternal life through Christ's salvation was a gift, albeit done as a sort of technical, spiritual loophole to make up for our blunders.

Rather like taking a knife out of a babies hand, so they won't do irreparable damage to themselves, instead of a God who is afraid His children might become like Him. (This latter argument makes no sense, as God spends the entire Bible and then some trying to get us to act more like Him, all while offering eternal life.)
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Then what do your psychology books tell you is the abyss (bottomless pit)?

The ego?
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I think the better translation would be 'well' (G4521). The bottomless well/cistern. "Pit" has too much 'baggage' associated with it.

Since it is ruled by Apollyon (Death/Destruction) it is probably the 'place of no return'... A hint comes at Rev 17 where the 'beast' that 'was', 'is not', 'yet shall be' and ascend from the bottomless pit and go into perdition (again, destruction). The thing that comes out of the bottomless pit is the eighth and final empire on earth before the consummation.

In general, prophets (including Jesus) define wells as places [within an individual or collective] in which the 'Word' spring up from the underworld (the collective unconscious).

I'm not totally at odds with you btw. I think there is some truth to the idea of "the adversary" being our fleshly resistance to spirituality.

That being said? I know there is evil out there. Not some fancy psych word for mental illness, but real evil. And you can't look at what's going on right now and tell me there isn't some power behind what tptb are getting away with. There's more to it than simple human ego.
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Mark 7 (Jesus speaking):
20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.

21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:

23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

What is the ego? The sense of self-importance or self-preservation. It is the animal, the flesh-spirit.

What is the Spirit of Christ? Self Sacrifice (the greatest love). It is the God-spirit.
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Ah, But

Ephesians 6:12
King James Version (KJV)
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places
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Yes Paul understood this perfectly, and Enoch allows for further insight.
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Look around at the universe...God loves fractals!

The messages apply to the individual the family, the community, and the world of humanity.

There are no exclusions.

Start with you.
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heroes mighty men of renowned ring a bell?



1 Corinthians 8:5 "For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)" but to christians there is but one God.

The interbreeding of these fallen angels with humans is what created all of the pantheons of gods and demi-gods throughout the world.

The greek god apollo is mentioned in revelation as being the king of the bottomless pit.

Revelation 9:11 "And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon."

Psalm 82:1"God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.



82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

82:7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

82:8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.
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Mighty men of renown does not imply demi-gods.

Anything we call a 'god' is a god. Yes, there are 'gods' in heaven and on earth.

The pantheon of gods created by man were just that... created by man. Idols do not breath or think or do anything... Which is why God thinks it's pretty stupid to worship them. Today our culture still worships gods, these are archetypes portrayed in movies, they are any 'person of renown' (usually called 'stars'), and they are deific principles like Freedom and Liberty--vain imaginative things.

Apollyon/Abaddon is not Apollo.
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Apollyon is too Apollo. The prophecy of his coming is on the back of the US dollar bill. And some how you disregard all of the scriptures I just pointed out where the bible clearly speaks of other gods. How does God stand in the counsel of man-made created beings?
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No, they are not the same at all. Apollo did not live in hell, which is where Apollyon comes from.
The bible mentions other Gods, but also says they have no powers.
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Apollo is Azazel.
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And in those days it came to pass that the sons of God took natural earth primates as mates. From this inner marraige many diverse strains were created. Some having little more than animals while others were able to attain learned states.

The sons and daughters of the sons of God grew multiplied and grew plentiful. And it came to pass that the sons of God were warned of a great calamity that was to before the earth in the form of a tsunami like event that covered most of the inhabited lands even unto the tops of some of the highest mountains. Prior to this calamity, many sons of God escaped the planet with their families, some of their offspring sot shelter in the high places, many did not survive but there were some that did. Others fashioned floating arks and survived in this manner.

The waters were on the land for months and as they receded the sons of God once again returned to earth and rebuild their society, evidenced by the Great pyramids.

A gain a great cleaning took place in the form of war, nuclear in nature and earth was abandoned by the sons of man, but his off spring would carry on.

today we can see remnants of these children in the form of Giants and people with 6 fingers. Many have been photographed and their pictures are on the net. Much has been hidden, and much will be revealed, for those that have ears to hear and eyes to see, not blinded by their preconceive notions instilled in them by a society that only seeks to enslave them. Seek and you will find, but it must be done with an open mind and an open heart. Few are the one's capable of accomplishing this, but fear not for the numbers are growing of those willing to see and know the truth of our history and our origins.

PS. sons of Gods were aliens, not being fallen from another dimension.

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From the Book of Jubilees. The Ethiopian Bible. Another apocrypha source.

B: THE ANGELS OF GOD and The Giants in Jubilees

We read further in The book of Jubilees:

Chapter 5 1 And it came to pass when the children of men began to multiply on the face of the earth and daughters were born unto them, that the angels of God saw them on a certain year of this jubilee, that they were beautiful to look upon; and they took themselves wives of all whom they chose, and they bare unto them sons and they were Giants.

The same story as in the Bible.

Chapter 5. 2 And lawlessness increased on the earth and all flesh corrupted its way, alike men and cattle and beasts and birds and everything that walks on the earth all of them corrupted their ways and their orders, and they began to devour each other, and lawlessness increased on the earth and every imagination of the thoughts of all men (was) thus evil continually. 3 And God looked upon the earth, and behold it was corrupt, and all flesh had corrupted its orders, and all that were upon the earth had wrought all manner of evil before His eyes.

You can imagine that when the offspring of the daughters of men and the Angels of God were Giants, then their 'elders' must have been Giants too.

We read further in The book of Jubilees:

Chapter 7. 21 from fornication and uncleanness and all iniquity. For owing to these three things came the flood upon the earth, namely, owing to the fornication wherein the Watchers against the law of their ordinances went a whoring after the daughters of men, and took themselves wives of all which they chose: and they made the beginning of uncleanness. 22 And they begat sons the Naphidim, and they were all unlike, and they devoured one another: and the Giants slew the Naphil, and the Naphil slew the Eljo, and the Eljo mankind, and one man another. 23 And every one sold himself to work iniquity and to shed much blood, and the earth was filled with iniquity. 24 And after this they sinned against the beasts and birds, and all that moves and walks on the earth: and much blood was shed on the earth, and every imagination and desire of men imagined vanity and evil continually.

Noah told his children, after the flood, why the Flood had been brought to the Earth. Here we can read also about the Nephilim (Naphidim) even as in the Bible, even we found a new name for the Giants, namely the Eljo. Even the Giants (Naphidim, Naphil, Eljo) sinned against the beasts and birds, You can imagine that the enormous number of stories in Myths and Legends about half Men-half Beast and half Men-half bird could be true, and it was true, they lived indeed a long ago and even until historical times (see later the story of Demons and Monsters). [link to earth-history.com]
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Conclusion:

1. The Bible talks about 'The Children of Seth' or 'The Children of God' who went down from the mountain, FALLEN ANGELS.
2. The book of Jubilees talks about 'The Angels of the Lord and the Angels of God', the ANGELS and WATCHERS.
3. The books of Enoch only talks about 'The Angels, children of the heaven' and the WATCHERS.
We found 'All Fallen Angels' where also the Bible is talking about and their offspring were Giants, Anakim, Demons and Monsters.

There are countless stories of Fallen Angels and Gods of the Bible, and also in many myths and legends from all over the world. Many of these Gods were worshipped in ancient times and they were abundant as well as exceedingly mysterious. Playing the harlot and whoring after other Gods brought destruction to early man.

The most important stories about these Gods, Demi Gods, Demons and Monsters we can find in Mesopotamia, in the Sumerian, Acadian and Babylonian stories regarding the Anunnaki, Igigi and Sebitti (see later chapter 8 and 9)

In chapter 4 I have already more then necessary proved that these three different Angels were one and the same and we will call them from now on 'The Nephilim' If you have read the story carefully you know that all Creatures that sinned were Angels, but I will use the word Angels meaning Fallen Angels.
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And what is the correct worship day?
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Jewish Sabbath. The day has been changed.
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Noah was of the offspring of the sons of Gods. No doubt. For he was not as an animal. But there were many different interbreading pairs with various results. Much depending on whether it was a male impregnating a earth female or an earth male impregnating a a female daughter of God. This is why the line is past in the female in relation to jesus being without sin. The earth male/daughter of God, was the line of Noah.
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And what is the correct worship day?
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Jewish Sabbath. The day has been changed.
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everyday is the correct worship day.
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the catholic position on €noch is misguided. The sole basis is Jesus saying there is no marrying or being given in marriage in heaven...

Angels didn't "marry" or have sex in heaven... They always came to Earth to have sex with mankind. The bible does not contradict and Jesus speaks truth. One must wonder if a major reason that angels fell was their consuming desire to have sex. It also ties in with my lust is such a heinous sin in Gods eyes. Perhaps when we lust and fornicate we are participating in the original sin of the sons of god who left their heavenly abode.

The book of Jude references Enoch and its well known that 1st century Jews would have held these opinions on angels, read the works of Josephus... Its stated matter of factly that this was the perception.

Angels corrupting human DNA and perverting the human race was the major reason for the flood (Noah was saved because he was clean or genetically pure), the reason for the genocide of Canaan and its precisely why geneaologies were so important to Jews... Jesus had to come from a pure bloodline. The bible is unified on this!
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You make some good points. I would like to add that it doesn't exactly say that the fallen wanted sex. Instead, it mentions that they want to produce children, like the humans do. In essence, they wanted to create something from themselves. Sex was just the (enjoyable) method of getting what they really wanted.

We also see this in that the fallen took a lot of time in teaching their hybrids everything that they knew about the physical world. Thus, they were investing time in their kids, making sure they got the best education they could.

We can see this in the Book of Enoch in God's reprimand of the fallen through Enoch;

First He says to them, listen, I made you (angels) eternal spirits. Thus, you have no need to "continue"/replace yourselves through a new generation. Humans were created as mortals, and for this reason I made them men and women, and gave them children.

Second, the offspring you did produce are damned, as they are born of (pre-Christ) human sin (fallen status = damned souls) and eternal spirits (angels). This equals eternally damned souls with zero chance of redemption. (Small wonder they were out-of-control, greedy, warring cannibals.)

Third, the stuff you taught your hybrid kids is both destructive and nothing. There is so much more to the universe that you angels never got the chance to learn yet, and now you will never get the chance to learn it, nor will they.

Forth, you were too cowardly to come to me and ask forgiveness? You send Enoch on your behalves, instead? When it is your job to serve humanity, not the other way around?
Shame on you!

I am going to bind you up and make you watch their destruction, except for 10% of them, which I have given to the accuser of mankind, so that he can do as I have consented. The spirits of your disembodied children will walk the earth until the final judgment.

Enoch, are you getting all of this? I really didn't want humanity to be taught writing just yet, but since so many people know how to do it now, you might as well learn, too, because I want you to write down what has happened, plus a few messages to future generations.

Ok, it doesn't go exactly like that, but it does give the gist of things. As you can see, the angels weren't really pervs. They wanted to create images of themselves without need for it. Disaster ensued.
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And what is the correct worship day?
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Jewish Sabbath. The day has been changed.
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everyday is the correct worship day.
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I agree. This related to the change by constantine. It is another step in the confusion process.
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the catholic position on €noch is misguided. The sole basis is Jesus saying there is no marrying or being given in marriage in heaven...

Angels didn't "marry" or have sex in heaven... They always came to Earth to have sex with mankind. The bible does not contradict and Jesus speaks truth. One must wonder if a major reason that angels fell was their consuming desire to have sex. It also ties in with my lust is such a heinous sin in Gods eyes. Perhaps when we lust and fornicate we are participating in the original sin of the sons of god who left their heavenly abode.

The book of Jude references Enoch and its well known that 1st century Jews would have held these opinions on angels, read the works of Josephus... Its stated matter of factly that this was the perception.

Angels corrupting human DNA and perverting the human race was the major reason for the flood (Noah was saved because he was clean or genetically pure), the reason for the genocide of Canaan and its precisely why geneaologies were so important to Jews... Jesus had to come from a pure bloodline. The bible is unified on this!
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You make some good points. I would like to add that it doesn't exactly say that the fallen wanted sex. Instead, it mentions that they want to produce children, like the humans do. In essence, they wanted to create something from themselves. Sex was just the (enjoyable) method of getting what they really wanted.

We also see this in that the fallen took a lot of time in teaching their hybrids everything that they knew about the physical world. Thus, they were investing time in their kids, making sure they got the best education they could.

We can see this in the Book of Enoch in God's reprimand of the fallen through Enoch;

First He says to them, listen, I made you (angels) eternal spirits. Thus, you have no need to "continue"/replace yourselves through a new generation. Humans were created as mortals, and for this reason I made them men and women, and gave them children.

Second, the offspring you did produce are damned, as they are born of (pre-Christ) human sin (fallen status = damned souls) and eternal spirits (angels). This equals eternally damned souls with zero chance of redemption. (Small wonder they were out-of-control, greedy, warring cannibals.)

Third, the stuff you taught your hybrid kids is both destructive and nothing. There is so much more to the universe that you angels never got the chance to learn yet, and now you will never get the chance to learn it, nor will they.

Forth, you were too cowardly to come to me and ask forgiveness? You send Enoch on your behalves, instead? When it is your job to serve humanity, not the other way around?
Shame on you!

I am going to bind you up and make you watch their destruction, except for 10% of them, which I have given to the accuser of mankind, so that he can do as I have consented. The spirits of your disembodied children will walk the earth until the final judgment.

Enoch, are you getting all of this? I really didn't want humanity to be taught writing just yet, but since so many people know how to do it now, you might as well learn, too, because I want you to write down what has happened, plus a few messages to future generations.

Ok, it doesn't go exactly like that, but it does give the gist of things. As you can see, the angels weren't really pervs. They wanted to create images of themselves without need for it. Disaster ensued.
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The problem with the argument that generations resulted from mortality is that it doesn't hold water. God's edict to man and the rest of creation was to be fruitful and multiply prior to eating from the tree of knowledge and going into sin. The design precedes mortality.
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the catholic position on €noch is misguided. The sole basis is Jesus saying there is no marrying or being given in marriage in heaven...

Angels didn't "marry" or have sex in heaven... They always came to Earth to have sex with mankind. The bible does not contradict and Jesus speaks truth. One must wonder if a major reason that angels fell was their consuming desire to have sex. It also ties in with my lust is such a heinous sin in Gods eyes. Perhaps when we lust and fornicate we are participating in the original sin of the sons of god who left their heavenly abode.

The book of Jude references Enoch and its well known that 1st century Jews would have held these opinions on angels, read the works of Josephus... Its stated matter of factly that this was the perception.

Angels corrupting human DNA and perverting the human race was the major reason for the flood (Noah was saved because he was clean or genetically pure), the reason for the genocide of Canaan and its precisely why geneaologies were so important to Jews... Jesus had to come from a pure bloodline. The bible is unified on this!
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You make some good points. I would like to add that it doesn't exactly say that the fallen wanted sex. Instead, it mentions that they want to produce children, like the humans do. In essence, they wanted to create something from themselves. Sex was just the (enjoyable) method of getting what they really wanted.

We also see this in that the fallen took a lot of time in teaching their hybrids everything that they knew about the physical world. Thus, they were investing time in their kids, making sure they got the best education they could.

We can see this in the Book of Enoch in God's reprimand of the fallen through Enoch;

First He says to them, listen, I made you (angels) eternal spirits. Thus, you have no need to "continue"/replace yourselves through a new generation. Humans were created as mortals, and for this reason I made them men and women, and gave them children.

Second, the offspring you did produce are damned, as they are born of (pre-Christ) human sin (fallen status = damned souls) and eternal spirits (angels). This equals eternally damned souls with zero chance of redemption. (Small wonder they were out-of-control, greedy, warring cannibals.)

Third, the stuff you taught your hybrid kids is both destructive and nothing. There is so much more to the universe that you angels never got the chance to learn yet, and now you will never get the chance to learn it, nor will they.

Forth, you were too cowardly to come to me and ask forgiveness? You send Enoch on your behalves, instead? When it is your job to serve humanity, not the other way around?
Shame on you!

I am going to bind you up and make you watch their destruction, except for 10% of them, which I have given to the accuser of mankind, so that he can do as I have consented. The spirits of your disembodied children will walk the earth until the final judgment.

Enoch, are you getting all of this? I really didn't want humanity to be taught writing just yet, but since so many people know how to do it now, you might as well learn, too, because I want you to write down what has happened, plus a few messages to future generations.

Ok, it doesn't go exactly like that, but it does give the gist of things. As you can see, the angels weren't really pervs. They wanted to create images of themselves without need for it. Disaster ensued.
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The problem with the argument that generations resulted from mortality is that it doesn't hold water. God's edict to man and the rest of creation was to be fruitful and multiply prior to eating from the tree of knowledge and going into sin. The design precedes mortality.
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I understand your point, but no where in the Bible or any other text does it state that God created humankind to be mortal.

When He tells Adam and Eve that, if they should eat from the Tree of Knowledge, they will die, He is referring to their spirits, not their bodies.

This is how the serpent beguiles Eve into eating it in the first place...he tells her, "Surely you will not die", meaning her body, and immediately. (She was afraid that, if she ate it, she would drop dead ASAP.) And, when she didn't die, she got Adam to go along for the ride.

Later on in the Bible, we see that God states that their prolonged age is no longer required, as there were enough people at that time to ensure continued reproduction.


Science upholds this finding in lab studies: When ANY species is kept from mating until the last feasible moment to allow conception, the succeeding generation lives longer and stays young for a longer duration. I that generation, in turn, waits until the last possible window to conceive before old age, their offspring live even longer.

Something about the stressing of the DNA triggers extended lifespans. They don't know how this works, but it does.

Conversely, when scientists had various species mate as early as possible, the life expectancy of each succeeding generation grew shorter and shorter.

From a species preservation perspective, this makes complete sense; as populations decline, DNA stressors occur with later mating (due to lack of mating options) and life expectancies go up. When species populations explode, mate availability skyrockets, and DNA stressors disappear, lowering life expectancy.

Thus, humans were created mortal, were initially given really long life expectancies, and these were decreased by design as mate availability increased. What WAS immortal about us was our spirits, which would have gone directly to God upon physical death. Now we have to sleep until the final judgment.





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