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beeches User ID: 28167778 United States 11/29/2013 09:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: ISON SPINNING, ancient SPIRALS , warning on ancient cave spiral art all over the world... what do you think on this !!!?? my husband has a tremor in one arm. has had it for a year or longer, medically followed, etc. One arm only. On Thanksgiving Day at church it shifted to the other side, the other arm. He is amazed this happened - and that it happened while in church. wow maybe it was a spiritual thing that led to it ? interesting ! thank you for sharing ! Definetly spiritual, he feels. Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
TruthOverEgo User ID: 44252141 United States 11/29/2013 09:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: ISON SPINNING, ancient SPIRALS , warning on ancient cave spiral art all over the world... what do you think on this !!!?? Ummm, that sound like peyote.. You're liable to see bunny rabbits driving bulldozers on that, so I hear. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50757971 It also breaks the walls of society down and can dissect life as you know it into its simpler, more beautiful form. “If the words ‘life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness’ don’t include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn’t worth the hemp it was written on.” -Terence McKenna love that quote, had to bring it up! Last Edited by TruthOverEgo on 11/29/2013 09:58 PM The truth can't be told, it has to be realized. Awoken $lave |
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TEOTWAIKI User ID: 50677448 Canada 11/29/2013 10:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: ISON SPINNING, ancient SPIRALS , warning on ancient cave spiral art all over the world... what do you think on this !!!?? Ummm, that sound like peyote.. You're liable to see bunny rabbits driving bulldozers on that, so I hear. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50757971 It also breaks the walls of society down and can dissect life as you know it into its simpler, more beautiful form. “If the words ‘life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness’ don’t include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn’t worth the hemp it was written on.” -Terence McKenna love that quote, had to bring it up! “You see, a secret is not something untold. It’s something which can’t be told.” – Terence McKenna I wish I could stand on that mountain in Mexico and watch ISON return out of the sun; with the veil lifted to "see" more closely what it really is. In the end, all that remains is the mystery... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 50669233 Egypt 11/29/2013 10:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: ISON SPINNING, ancient SPIRALS , warning on ancient cave spiral art all over the world... what do you think on this !!!?? that Vatican ball is frighting to me . It looks like the world is broken up to me ! do you know there are balls like that all over the world being displayed . have to wonder WHY ? ! first time I see this!!!! Where else are they you say? Sorry I didn't read through the thread yet, it's interesting OP! I'm interested in this comet since a few days now, so many threads and its always in the news, online and today I flipped channels and it was on CNN International talking about it. Something is up with all this. I'm not worried of it hitting, but wonder about the effect on our earth when it passes. Seems to be magnetic or electric disturbances can happen and nobody has a clue til now. Why on earth would someone display a broken earth symbol like this? |
sssss User ID: 21263398 Australia 11/29/2013 10:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: ISON SPINNING, ancient SPIRALS , warning on ancient cave spiral art all over the world... what do you think on this !!!?? I am not so much fearful but aware and awake ... I feel this incredible incoming energy ! ... anyone else out there too ? Yes, my body is beginning to change quite quickly now. THE CHANGE IS COMING! Spiritual Guidance, Spirit Guide communication, Shamanism & Kundalini. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 50757971 United States 11/29/2013 10:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: ISON SPINNING, ancient SPIRALS , warning on ancient cave spiral art all over the world... what do you think on this !!!?? Ummm, that sound like peyote.. You're liable to see bunny rabbits driving bulldozers on that, so I hear. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50757971 It also breaks the walls of society down and can dissect life as you know it into its simpler, more beautiful form. “If the words ‘life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness’ don’t include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn’t worth the hemp it was written on.” -Terence McKenna love that quote, had to bring it up! Didn't say it was bad, but it is considered a drug outside of religious ceremonies. |
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TruthOverEgo User ID: 44252141 United States 11/29/2013 10:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: ISON SPINNING, ancient SPIRALS , warning on ancient cave spiral art all over the world... what do you think on this !!!?? Ummm, that sound like peyote.. You're liable to see bunny rabbits driving bulldozers on that, so I hear. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50757971 It also breaks the walls of society down and can dissect life as you know it into its simpler, more beautiful form. “If the words ‘life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness’ don’t include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn’t worth the hemp it was written on.” -Terence McKenna love that quote, had to bring it up! Didn't say it was bad, but it is considered a drug outside of religious ceremonies. Wasn't tryin to break your balls. But yeah i bet these cave, spiral drawing people didn't have religious restrictions preventing them from 100% natural plants! lol Last Edited by TruthOverEgo on 11/29/2013 10:28 PM The truth can't be told, it has to be realized. Awoken $lave |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 50757971 United States 11/29/2013 10:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: ISON SPINNING, ancient SPIRALS , warning on ancient cave spiral art all over the world... what do you think on this !!!?? Ummm, that sound like peyote.. You're liable to see bunny rabbits driving bulldozers on that, so I hear. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50757971 It also breaks the walls of society down and can dissect life as you know it into its simpler, more beautiful form. “If the words ‘life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness’ don’t include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn’t worth the hemp it was written on.” -Terence McKenna love that quote, had to bring it up! Didn't say it was bad, but it is considered a drug outside of religious ceremonies. Wasn't tryin to break your balls. But yeah i bet these cave, spiral drawing people didn't have religious restrictions preventing them from 100% natural plants! lol Understood and of course not, the reason for anything like that being "illegal" is not because it's bad for you, it's to make somebody else money. |
Apocalypse Girl (OP) User ID: 42462625 United States 11/29/2013 10:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: ISON SPINNING, ancient SPIRALS , warning on ancient cave spiral art all over the world... what do you think on this !!!?? that Vatican ball is frighting to me . It looks like the world is broken up to me ! do you know there are balls like that all over the world being displayed . have to wonder WHY ? ! first time I see this!!!! Where else are they you say? Sorry I didn't read through the thread yet, it's interesting OP! I'm interested in this comet since a few days now, so many threads and its always in the news, online and today I flipped channels and it was on CNN International talking about it. Something is up with all this. I'm not worried of it hitting, but wonder about the effect on our earth when it passes. Seems to be magnetic or electric disturbances can happen and nobody has a clue til now. Why on earth would someone display a broken earth symbol like this? do a search on it they are world wide ... here is another one dont have time to find them all right now Last Edited by Apocalypse Girl on 11/29/2013 10:43 PM Apocalypse ( "lifting of the veil" or "revelation") is a disclosure of something hidden from the majority of mankind in an era dominated by falsehood and misconception, i.e. the veil to be lifted. * know the truth and the truth will set you free |
Apocalypse Girl (OP) User ID: 42462625 United States 11/29/2013 10:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: ISON SPINNING, ancient SPIRALS , warning on ancient cave spiral art all over the world... what do you think on this !!!?? beautiful natural floral fractal thank you ! Apocalypse ( "lifting of the veil" or "revelation") is a disclosure of something hidden from the majority of mankind in an era dominated by falsehood and misconception, i.e. the veil to be lifted. * know the truth and the truth will set you free |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 50669233 Egypt 11/29/2013 10:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: ISON SPINNING, ancient SPIRALS , warning on ancient cave spiral art all over the world... what do you think on this !!!?? that Vatican ball is frighting to me . It looks like the world is broken up to me ! do you know there are balls like that all over the world being displayed . have to wonder WHY ? ! first time I see this!!!! Where else are they you say? Sorry I didn't read through the thread yet, it's interesting OP! I'm interested in this comet since a few days now, so many threads and its always in the news, online and today I flipped channels and it was on CNN International talking about it. Something is up with all this. I'm not worried of it hitting, but wonder about the effect on our earth when it passes. Seems to be magnetic or electric disturbances can happen and nobody has a clue til now. Why on earth would someone display a broken earth symbol like this? do a search on it they are world wide ... here is another one dont have time to find them all right now [link to www.youtube.com] Thank you, a comment in the video says there's also one in Paris...and other parts. italian artist. very strange. Thanks again and interesting thread! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 49614305 United States 11/29/2013 10:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: ISON SPINNING, ancient SPIRALS , warning on ancient cave spiral art all over the world... what do you think on this !!!?? Already there is apostasy. Man cast his lot and gathered the coals, To stoke the fire that burns the souls. The days are numbered, the hours are few; So work and pray, and try to do The work that's given in the light, Until that sad time when all is night. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42879313 United States 11/29/2013 10:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: ISON SPINNING, ancient SPIRALS , warning on ancient cave spiral art all over the world... what do you think on this !!!?? Just a tease from the ancient Kolbrin texts. Sorry, I don't know what happened to my last comment. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33162368 On topic Is there any reference to a dragon falling from the heavens/mountain in religious texts? Please research "Kolbrin" for your answers there. Cheers! The dark days began with the last visitation of the Destroyer and they were foretold by strange omens in the skies. All men were silent and went about with pale faces. Fear walked the land and woman became barren with terror, they could not conceive, and those with child aborted. The days of stillness were followed by a time when the noise of trumpeting and shrilling was heard in the Heavens, and the people became as frightened beasts without a headsman. … The dead were no longer sacred and were thrown into the waters. He who grew no grain now owned a storehouse full. Cattle were left unattended to roam into strange pastures, and men ignored their marks and slew the beasts of their neighbours. No man owned anything. The public records were cast forth and destroyed, and no man knew who were slaves and who were masters. … Plague was throughout the land, the river was bloody and blood was everywhere. Those who did drink from the river vomited it up. The dust tore wounds in the skin of man and beast. Second, the planet comes visible, from the direction of the Sun. A writhing red appearance, with a lashing tail, is described. A darkness, perhaps the 3 days of darkness the Bible predicts, descended. Again, I quote the Kolbrin: The Doomshape, called the Destroyer, in Egypt, was seen in all the lands, thereabouts. In color, it was bright and fiery, in appearance changing and unstable. It twisted about itself like a coil … It was not a great comet or a loosened star, being more like a fiery body of flame. Its movements on high were slow, below it swirled in the manner of smoke and it remained close to the sun, whose face it hid. There was a bloody redness about it, which changed as it passed along its course. It caused death and destruction in its rising and setting. It swept the Earth with grey cinder rain and caused many plagues, hunger and other evils. It bit the skin of men and beast until they became mottled with sores. In the glow of the Destroyer the Earth was filled with redness. The face of the land was battered and devastated by a hail of stones which smashed down all that stood in the path of the torrent. They swept down in hot showers, and strange flowing fire ran along the ground in their wake. The fish of the river died; worms, insects and reptiles sprang up from the Earth. The gloom of a long night spread a dark mantle of blackness which extinguished every ray of light. None knew when it was day and when it was night, for the sun cast no shadow. The darkness was not the clean blackness of night, but a thick darkness in which the breath of men was stopped in their throats. Men gasped in a hot cloud of vapour which enveloped all the land and snuffed out all lamps and fires. … Ships were sucked away from their moorings and destroyed in great whirlpools. It was a time of undoing. |
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bigD111 User ID: 39191150 United States 11/29/2013 10:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: ISON SPINNING, ancient SPIRALS , warning on ancient cave spiral art all over the world... what do you think on this !!!?? Just a tease from the ancient Kolbrin texts. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42879313 Sorry, I don't know what happened to my last comment. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33162368 On topic Is there any reference to a dragon falling from the heavens/mountain in religious texts? Please research "Kolbrin" for your answers there. Cheers! The dark days began with the last visitation of the Destroyer and they were foretold by strange omens in the skies. All men were silent and went about with pale faces. Fear walked the land and woman became barren with terror, they could not conceive, and those with child aborted. The days of stillness were followed by a time when the noise of trumpeting and shrilling was heard in the Heavens, and the people became as frightened beasts without a headsman. … The dead were no longer sacred and were thrown into the waters. He who grew no grain now owned a storehouse full. Cattle were left unattended to roam into strange pastures, and men ignored their marks and slew the beasts of their neighbours. No man owned anything. The public records were cast forth and destroyed, and no man knew who were slaves and who were masters. … Plague was throughout the land, the river was bloody and blood was everywhere. Those who did drink from the river vomited it up. The dust tore wounds in the skin of man and beast. Second, the planet comes visible, from the direction of the Sun. A writhing red appearance, with a lashing tail, is described. A darkness, perhaps the 3 days of darkness the Bible predicts, descended. Again, I quote the Kolbrin: The Doomshape, called the Destroyer, in Egypt, was seen in all the lands, thereabouts. In color, it was bright and fiery, in appearance changing and unstable. It twisted about itself like a coil … It was not a great comet or a loosened star, being more like a fiery body of flame. Its movements on high were slow, below it swirled in the manner of smoke and it remained close to the sun, whose face it hid. There was a bloody redness about it, which changed as it passed along its course. It caused death and destruction in its rising and setting. It swept the Earth with grey cinder rain and caused many plagues, hunger and other evils. It bit the skin of men and beast until they became mottled with sores. In the glow of the Destroyer the Earth was filled with redness. The face of the land was battered and devastated by a hail of stones which smashed down all that stood in the path of the torrent. They swept down in hot showers, and strange flowing fire ran along the ground in their wake. The fish of the river died; worms, insects and reptiles sprang up from the Earth. The gloom of a long night spread a dark mantle of blackness which extinguished every ray of light. None knew when it was day and when it was night, for the sun cast no shadow. The darkness was not the clean blackness of night, but a thick darkness in which the breath of men was stopped in their throats. Men gasped in a hot cloud of vapour which enveloped all the land and snuffed out all lamps and fires. … Ships were sucked away from their moorings and destroyed in great whirlpools. It was a time of undoing. That is fascinating! I have not read this in years. Need to go back and read more! deplorably republican |
Apocalypse Girl (OP) User ID: 42462625 United States 11/29/2013 10:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: ISON SPINNING, ancient SPIRALS , warning on ancient cave spiral art all over the world... what do you think on this !!!?? Just a tease from the ancient Kolbrin texts. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42879313 Sorry, I don't know what happened to my last comment. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33162368 On topic Is there any reference to a dragon falling from the heavens/mountain in religious texts? Please research "Kolbrin" for your answers there. Cheers! The dark days began with the last visitation of the Destroyer and they were foretold by strange omens in the skies. All men were silent and went about with pale faces. Fear walked the land and woman became barren with terror, they could not conceive, and those with child aborted. The days of stillness were followed by a time when the noise of trumpeting and shrilling was heard in the Heavens, and the people became as frightened beasts without a headsman. … The dead were no longer sacred and were thrown into the waters. He who grew no grain now owned a storehouse full. Cattle were left unattended to roam into strange pastures, and men ignored their marks and slew the beasts of their neighbours. No man owned anything. The public records were cast forth and destroyed, and no man knew who were slaves and who were masters. … Plague was throughout the land, the river was bloody and blood was everywhere. Those who did drink from the river vomited it up. The dust tore wounds in the skin of man and beast. Second, the planet comes visible, from the direction of the Sun. A writhing red appearance, with a lashing tail, is described. A darkness, perhaps the 3 days of darkness the Bible predicts, descended. Again, I quote the Kolbrin: The Doomshape, called the Destroyer, in Egypt, was seen in all the lands, thereabouts. In color, it was bright and fiery, in appearance changing and unstable. It twisted about itself like a coil … It was not a great comet or a loosened star, being more like a fiery body of flame. Its movements on high were slow, below it swirled in the manner of smoke and it remained close to the sun, whose face it hid. There was a bloody redness about it, which changed as it passed along its course. It caused death and destruction in its rising and setting. It swept the Earth with grey cinder rain and caused many plagues, hunger and other evils. It bit the skin of men and beast until they became mottled with sores. In the glow of the Destroyer the Earth was filled with redness. The face of the land was battered and devastated by a hail of stones which smashed down all that stood in the path of the torrent. They swept down in hot showers, and strange flowing fire ran along the ground in their wake. The fish of the river died; worms, insects and reptiles sprang up from the Earth. The gloom of a long night spread a dark mantle of blackness which extinguished every ray of light. None knew when it was day and when it was night, for the sun cast no shadow. The darkness was not the clean blackness of night, but a thick darkness in which the breath of men was stopped in their throats. Men gasped in a hot cloud of vapour which enveloped all the land and snuffed out all lamps and fires. … Ships were sucked away from their moorings and destroyed in great whirlpools. It was a time of undoing. That is fascinating! I have not read this in years. Need to go back and read more! It is terrifying ! Apocalypse ( "lifting of the veil" or "revelation") is a disclosure of something hidden from the majority of mankind in an era dominated by falsehood and misconception, i.e. the veil to be lifted. * know the truth and the truth will set you free |
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bigD111 User ID: 39191150 United States 11/29/2013 10:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: ISON SPINNING, ancient SPIRALS , warning on ancient cave spiral art all over the world... what do you think on this !!!?? Just a tease from the ancient Kolbrin texts. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42879313 The dark days began with the last visitation of the Destroyer and they were foretold by strange omens in the skies. All men were silent and went about with pale faces. Fear walked the land and woman became barren with terror, they could not conceive, and those with child aborted. The days of stillness were followed by a time when the noise of trumpeting and shrilling was heard in the Heavens, and the people became as frightened beasts without a headsman. … The dead were no longer sacred and were thrown into the waters. He who grew no grain now owned a storehouse full. Cattle were left unattended to roam into strange pastures, and men ignored their marks and slew the beasts of their neighbours. No man owned anything. The public records were cast forth and destroyed, and no man knew who were slaves and who were masters. … Plague was throughout the land, the river was bloody and blood was everywhere. Those who did drink from the river vomited it up. The dust tore wounds in the skin of man and beast. Second, the planet comes visible, from the direction of the Sun. A writhing red appearance, with a lashing tail, is described. A darkness, perhaps the 3 days of darkness the Bible predicts, descended. Again, I quote the Kolbrin: The Doomshape, called the Destroyer, in Egypt, was seen in all the lands, thereabouts. In color, it was bright and fiery, in appearance changing and unstable. It twisted about itself like a coil … It was not a great comet or a loosened star, being more like a fiery body of flame. Its movements on high were slow, below it swirled in the manner of smoke and it remained close to the sun, whose face it hid. There was a bloody redness about it, which changed as it passed along its course. It caused death and destruction in its rising and setting. It swept the Earth with grey cinder rain and caused many plagues, hunger and other evils. It bit the skin of men and beast until they became mottled with sores. In the glow of the Destroyer the Earth was filled with redness. The face of the land was battered and devastated by a hail of stones which smashed down all that stood in the path of the torrent. They swept down in hot showers, and strange flowing fire ran along the ground in their wake. The fish of the river died; worms, insects and reptiles sprang up from the Earth. The gloom of a long night spread a dark mantle of blackness which extinguished every ray of light. None knew when it was day and when it was night, for the sun cast no shadow. The darkness was not the clean blackness of night, but a thick darkness in which the breath of men was stopped in their throats. Men gasped in a hot cloud of vapour which enveloped all the land and snuffed out all lamps and fires. … Ships were sucked away from their moorings and destroyed in great whirlpools. It was a time of undoing. That is fascinating! I have not read this in years. Need to go back and read more! It is terrifying ! Well, yeah......but amazing to read it looking at the signs ! deplorably republican |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42879313 United States 11/29/2013 11:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: ISON SPINNING, ancient SPIRALS , warning on ancient cave spiral art all over the world... what do you think on this !!!?? Just a tease from the ancient Kolbrin texts. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42879313 The dark days began with the last visitation of the Destroyer and they were foretold by strange omens in the skies. All men were silent and went about with pale faces. Fear walked the land and woman became barren with terror, they could not conceive, and those with child aborted. The days of stillness were followed by a time when the noise of trumpeting and shrilling was heard in the Heavens, and the people became as frightened beasts without a headsman. … The dead were no longer sacred and were thrown into the waters. He who grew no grain now owned a storehouse full. Cattle were left unattended to roam into strange pastures, and men ignored their marks and slew the beasts of their neighbours. No man owned anything. The public records were cast forth and destroyed, and no man knew who were slaves and who were masters. … Plague was throughout the land, the river was bloody and blood was everywhere. Those who did drink from the river vomited it up. The dust tore wounds in the skin of man and beast. Second, the planet comes visible, from the direction of the Sun. A writhing red appearance, with a lashing tail, is described. A darkness, perhaps the 3 days of darkness the Bible predicts, descended. Again, I quote the Kolbrin: The Doomshape, called the Destroyer, in Egypt, was seen in all the lands, thereabouts. In color, it was bright and fiery, in appearance changing and unstable. It twisted about itself like a coil … It was not a great comet or a loosened star, being more like a fiery body of flame. Its movements on high were slow, below it swirled in the manner of smoke and it remained close to the sun, whose face it hid. There was a bloody redness about it, which changed as it passed along its course. It caused death and destruction in its rising and setting. It swept the Earth with grey cinder rain and caused many plagues, hunger and other evils. It bit the skin of men and beast until they became mottled with sores. In the glow of the Destroyer the Earth was filled with redness. The face of the land was battered and devastated by a hail of stones which smashed down all that stood in the path of the torrent. They swept down in hot showers, and strange flowing fire ran along the ground in their wake. The fish of the river died; worms, insects and reptiles sprang up from the Earth. The gloom of a long night spread a dark mantle of blackness which extinguished every ray of light. None knew when it was day and when it was night, for the sun cast no shadow. The darkness was not the clean blackness of night, but a thick darkness in which the breath of men was stopped in their throats. Men gasped in a hot cloud of vapour which enveloped all the land and snuffed out all lamps and fires. … Ships were sucked away from their moorings and destroyed in great whirlpools. It was a time of undoing. That is fascinating! I have not read this in years. Need to go back and read more! It is terrifying ! Yea, I used to go by the avatar *StarGuy* many years ago, but became all too weary of the shills. I am certainly no expert of astronomy or cosmology but have spent many years reading/studying ancient texts. Spooky huh? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 44065675 United States 11/29/2013 11:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: ISON SPINNING, ancient SPIRALS , warning on ancient cave spiral art all over the world... what do you think on this !!!?? Yep, this thing what ever it is! we going to wake up and not be able to speak to each other, Babylon, we will be babbling to each other! I AM BEING A SMART YOU KNOW WHAT CAN'T SAY IT, IT STARTS WITH A AND ENDS IN S! You never know what coming we so advanced you see, just like all those other once great civilizations, come to think of it I'll be about the same, babbling on.. |