What's your opinion on Tomek?

"so sorry if posting what you said in your thread, stepped on your toes. i just don't see the difference between one claiming to hear a "voice" and another claiming to hear a "voice". do that many really claim to hear voices after being there? good place to stay away from it seems."

You are simply repeating what you said before. How about responding to what I said about the difference. Seriously, I don't know what is wrong with the people here. You point to a blue sky and say, "look its blue" and they accuse you of claiming that it is green.

In addition, people who know me could testify to changes and healings that happened to me in Medjugorje. Of course I don't know how to prove that in this context.

Also, don't project on me that I feel my toes are stepped on. I am not offended in the least when people attack my religion or beliefs. But explaining my religion or beliefs when they are misrepresented is not a sign of offense. It is an attempt at reasoned discourse.

What does offend me though is when people accuse myself and others of saying things that we did not say or just ignore what others say because they are too busy thinking about what they want to say.

Tortoise,
i read from page one. still sorry if i've stepped on your toes. glad you had a good experience.

here is your post to Tomek:
"Tomek -
You make prophecies that do not come true.

You repeat the same nonsense over and over like a broken record with no variation.

You refuse to acknowledge that anyone but yourself has any knowledge about the Divine.

You reject all corrections, even corrections in English spelling...note becocue(eco cube, btw).

Your claims are nonsensical, even when understood.

These are not lies. They are the behaviors of someone who is deluded by either illness, dark spirits, or both. End of conversation. I will engage you no further."
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i have not had the same experience with Tomek. fact is, he has never been rude to me...as you have been rude to him and about him. (gads, from the beginning of this thread it feels like high school). what say ye?

anyway, if my experience is different from your experience with Tomek, should i feel the same way as you? don't think so.

have you never had such inner feeling that you've not misspelled something? (sorry, i'm having dyslexic moments and have to go back and re-spell)...ever think that may be why he mis-spells?

ever had a grief so bad that your world has become dark and you've cried out to angeles, demons, gods? if not...you're lucky.

my posting to you at first was to show that Tomek is not the only one that believes in a "voice" that tells him things. you might see it as being different than his "voice" hearing...but to me...as you see...i see them as being the same. god speaks...angels speak...all depends on who's doing the hearing i guess.

if you feel he is "dark" and wanting to take or drag others down...perhaps you shouldn't talk with him? if another has no problem with angels speaking (geez...was it jacob or joseph that wrestled with the angel?)...let each choose for themselves?

Well salamandr,

Now people have my opinion also, and they can decide if they want to accept it or not.

It sounds to me like you are suggesting that I am not entitled to post my opinion.

Tortoise,
your thread began not posting your opinion but asking a very precise question about a glp member...which you can. you can post any political opinion you wish or any religious opinion you wish. (looking at mod's to see if i'm correct in this)...but...and there's always a but...you chose one particular person to point out to all of glp (and internet surfers or future glpr's)...why?

you really sound like you could use a hug too Tortoise.

If you reread this thread, you will see that Tomek has admitted cooking up his mental disorder in order to get people to pay attention to him and his message.

He also dabbles in the occult, which he cannot handle, he is in over his head with it, and yet he wants us to accept some kind of message he has.

He is obsessed with a girl (I thinks he is dead, both from prior conversations and from the fact that he keeps posting links of a grave) who he keeps saying is a girlfriend of someone who didn't have sex.

I have tried to help, I am sure he has understood what he needs to do to rid himself of these demonic attacks (if they do indeed occur, which I am beginning to doubt) but he refuses to do anything to help himself (which is repentence, you know!).

So, all you can tell him is 'God loves you, Tomek!'

God is NOT Satan and Jesus is NOT Vishnu.

I'll do better than a hug, I'll give Tortoise an ear:

[link to godlikeproductions.com]

"you chose one particular person to point out to all of glp (and internet surfers or future glpr's)...why?"

Salamandr, I have explained this NUMEROUS times in this thread and will not go through it all again. If you want to know my reasons and my position then read the thread. I can't believe you have been posting all of these accusation against me without reading what I have actually written.

Tortoise,, I went to that site, and sorry to say, but Tomek sound the same in English as in Polish.
The site is a Help Forum For Victoms of Spiritual Attacks and Obsessions.
From what I red, tomek is trying describe his love for that lady, but he jump from subject to subject, does not finish the sentences, change the subject in the middle of sentences.
The group consist of six "like minded" individuals who are trying describe thier experience with being attacked from the outside.
But there is no reason in it whatsoever. There is no logic, no common sense, just that Black Hole as you guys put it. It is a strange experience to read consciously this stuff. I had to keep careful watch while I was reading and trying to make some kind of sence from it.
I can't.
Now I think I have to take five, to tune myselve in.
I do not know what to think of all this, but the fact that Tomek's persona got so many of us involved for as of now 9 pages is something to be aware of. The somekind of power is here, right in those pages, and me personally , I want to tip toe around it.
NOT TOO CLOSE.
I love you Tomek. We all do. Really.

Tortoise,
this is an accusation?

"your thread began not posting your opinion but asking a very precise question about a glp member"

i call it a statement that is true, take a look at the thread title.

I would like to hear your story, Tortoise, I opened a new thread for you to do so:

[link to godlikeproductions.com]

I must tell you, Tomek, that I know that you are dealing here with a very dark forcess,

All of us here, in this tread do.
Be aware of that.

Tortoise,
you're right, you did, you posted the spiritual stuff you don't like. got it.

if you think Tomek's posts are "dark" and will lead you places you're not comfortable with...

Tomek,
i still hope you're eating well and sleeping as it's best for your body.

FearNot,
thank you for going to the site and coming back to let people know what things said in polish and your understanding of it.

i do appreciate your time spent in delivering it here.

Salimander, you are provoking Tortoise unfairly!

Be nice, debate fairly!

We all know that he is talking about Tomek's 'dilemma'.

you see? it is working already.

"They're comming to take me away,
he,he,
ha ha,
ho,ho,
they're comming to take me away."

Kay,
please show me where i've not been "nice" to your friend.

FearNot,
as i posted earlier...religion is the most harmful thing to peoples of the earth. gives them all sorts of complexes. thanks for bringing some silliness to the thread.

ps: Kay, Tortoise already knows how to begin a thread...look at thread title.

Your remarks are very condenscending.

Like this:

ou really sound like you could use a hug too Tortoise.

Also the one like this:

'some are not comfortable...' making Tortoise sound weak.

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Be nice.

well, salimandr,
Poland is much much closer to the ultimate evil, Vatican,than US, and has been for over thousand years.
They, (poles) don't know absolutely nothing about spiritual freedom.
They still go to catholic church, kissing wooden lfeet of wooden Jesus on wooden cross, and thank Virgin Mary for delivering them from opression of communism.
Nobody know whom to pray to, to be delivered from obsession of catholic church.
Freedom of spirit is a tabu subject.
Pope JP II was trying with his tied down hands, to awake young generation.
He did as much as his employers alowed him to. (Employers=illuminaties)
Now, in 1992 they got their democracy, but without Owners Manual.
So consequently the only example of "democracy" is to be and behave like Americans or Westerners do.
As for spirituality, who has a time for that?

So sad.

Kay...you hurt me...thinking i wasn't meaning that Tortoise really sounded (on different threads) as though a hug was needed. insulting it is. i was being nice...please don't "read" into what is not in my posts. thank you.

FearNot,
i understand that there is a proximity. please, do not become like "American's" who delight in fast foods (teachings).

spiritually speaking, it would be as though poland and its people...became as a young adult? now you can do what you want?

strange that those in the USA take so much for granted.

Kay,
so why are you all over me like a fly on chit? can't Tortiose answer himself? (who is implying weakness?)

FearNot,
you said: "As for spirituality, who has a time for that?"

i think Tomek was trying to make time for filling the void/loss he felt...therefore, he learned of different religions, practising them...trying to find something that "fit" in his spiritual being. so i think, some have time for spirituality...just maybe got mixed up in the "religions"?

"Poland is much much closer to the ultimate evil, Vatican,than US, and has been for over thousand years. "


Yes what about who live just in front of the vatican should we all be evil twisted by now?
make no sense honestly.

Just be nice, Sal, that's all, be nice. We are just talking here, not drawing blood (except maybe Tomek, of course, maybe).

Thanks, salmandr.
Not to worry about me being americanised. I AM an American. By choice.
When I came here (escaped), more than 30 years ago, I kept my eyes open. Easy when you are yellow cab taxi driver in LA, and have on your laps Siva's Mind Control book...:)


Anyway, I have been all over the world, and this is still the Best Country amongs them. At list we can talk (well not on the phone anymore)and think freely here.
Don't you ever forget, people.
There is much bashing of America all over the internet.
America is not the government.

America is You and Me.

And our dying Constitution.