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UPDATED: China releases TWO NEW pics of the Moon and claims it's the "last time".

 
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No way china has ability to make this happen


These r fake
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Re: UPDATED: China releases TWO NEW pics of the Moon and claims it's the "last time".
Check this out:

To the left of the lander there's a huge area missing texture below the solar panel between the "sky" and the "horizon".

[link to p27i.img-up.net]

I guess they forgot to insert some mounts there.

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No way china has ability to make this happen


These r fake
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Re: UPDATED: China releases TWO NEW pics of the Moon and claims it's the "last time".
I'm appalled by that grey area below the left solar panel. They were supposed to either finish the sky or add some textured mounts in that area, but I think they just fucked up.

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Re: UPDATED: China releases TWO NEW pics of the Moon and claims it's the "last time".
Not to mention that they also forgot to put Earth in the background as well.
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I guess GG gave up already.
 Quoting: Ford Prefect


hardly. just no time for your straw grasping. love you, ford, but i disagree with you on a lot of stuff, this being one of them. the pics look fine to me. you want to make a theory out of it, be my guest, but you will need something a little more damning than the fact that you disagree with reflections.
 Quoting: green_girl


I didn't disagree with reflections, I just find odd the way that that particular reflection is moving in the irregular soil and the lack of OTHER reflections, since the rover is fully exposed to sun light.

I just don't get why you're so butthurt for the Chinese government, but if it makes you sleep better at night not talking about awkward reflections in the lunar surface (or in a lunar set in some Chinese studio), I'll leave you alone.

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i am far from butthurt. i dont actually even care. i just didnt see anything odd in the reflections.
 Quoting: green_girl


Well love, you're ignoring what I said about the light falling off toward the edges. Do you comprehend what I'm talking about?
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Come on folks, NO comments about the grey area between the horizon and the unfinished sky around the lander's left solar panel???????

[link to p27i.img-up.net]

Really??


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bump for the ghost horizon.
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bump for the ghost horizon.
 Quoting: Ford Prefect


If the images are fakes, they are doing a very shoddy job, almost unbelievable shoddy. Still, not many seem to care.

Could it be just a TV signal artifact?
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Any moontards with expertise in lunar missions in here???

I set StarryNight to display the lunar sky as seen from the landing site in Sinus Iridium, at the approximate time they say the rover took the picture of the lander.

Considering that Sinus Iridium is placed in the lunar north pole, I guess that should be the correct celestial position as seen from the rover camera when it took the picture of the lander:

[link to l65i.img-up.net]

Although the picture released by the Chinese government is not wide enough to allow a better vision, what prevents a confirmation of the Sun's position, still there SHOULD BE a lot of flares around the lander, shouldn't????

Anyone???

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Re: UPDATED: China releases TWO NEW pics of the Moon and claims it's the "last time".
Check this out:

To the left of the lander there's a huge area missing texture below the solar panel between the "sky" and the "horizon".

[link to p27i.img-up.net]

I guess they forgot to insert some mounts there.

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 Quoting: Ford Prefect


there is no missing texture. the texture is there, it is just that the picture is over exposed in those areas and it is getting washed out. if i adjust the levels i can see texture, far from missing anything really.

[link to i.imgur.com]

I think the reason you prefer to think it fake is because it appears to show stars behind it, and that would go against your previous claims.

as for earth, the sky is big. how do you know for sure that the earth is supposed to be in this particular frame and not slightly to the left or right?
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Check this out:

To the left of the lander there's a huge area missing texture below the solar panel between the "sky" and the "horizon".

[link to p27i.img-up.net]

I guess they forgot to insert some mounts there.

cruise
 Quoting: Ford Prefect


there is no missing texture. the texture is there, it is just that the picture is over exposed in those areas and it is getting washed out. if i adjust the levels i can see texture, far from missing anything really.

[link to i.imgur.com]

I think the reason you prefer to think it fake is because it appears to show stars behind it, and that would go against your previous claims.

as for earth, the sky is big. how do you know for sure that the earth is supposed to be in this particular frame and not slightly to the left or right?
 Quoting: green_girl


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So the Green Shill is assigned to China's Moon hoax threads???
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Re: UPDATED: China releases TWO NEW pics of the Moon and claims it's the "last time".
Check this out:

To the left of the lander there's a huge area missing texture below the solar panel between the "sky" and the "horizon".

[link to p27i.img-up.net]

I guess they forgot to insert some mounts there.

cruise
 Quoting: Ford Prefect


there is no missing texture. the texture is there, it is just that the picture is over exposed in those areas and it is getting washed out. if i adjust the levels i can see texture, far from missing anything really.

[link to i.imgur.com]

I think the reason you prefer to think it fake is because it appears to show stars behind it, and that would go against your previous claims.

as for earth, the sky is big. how do you know for sure that the earth is supposed to be in this particular frame and not slightly to the left or right?
 Quoting: green_girl


shill siren2


 Quoting: Ford Prefect


oh please, you know I am not a shill.
You know, when outrageous claims are made and the only rebuttal from the op is to start crying shill, you begin to lose credibility.
you want to save your thread? then DISCUSS my findings of obvious textures in the area under the panel and address my claim that it is an over exposed image.
if you can't discuss the issue you shouldnt have a thread.
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Check this out:

To the left of the lander there's a huge area missing texture below the solar panel between the "sky" and the "horizon".

[link to p27i.img-up.net]

I guess they forgot to insert some mounts there.

cruise
 Quoting: Ford Prefect


there is no missing texture. the texture is there, it is just that the picture is over exposed in those areas and it is getting washed out. if i adjust the levels i can see texture, far from missing anything really.

[link to i.imgur.com]

I think the reason you prefer to think it fake is because it appears to show stars behind it, and that would go against your previous claims.

as for earth, the sky is big. how do you know for sure that the earth is supposed to be in this particular frame and not slightly to the left or right?
 Quoting: green_girl


shill siren2


 Quoting: Ford Prefect


oh please, you know I am not a shill.
 Quoting: green_girl


You sound A LOT like one, and that's an unanimous opinion among 98% of GLPers.

You know, when outrageous claims are made and the only rebuttal from the op is to start crying shill, you begin to lose credibility.
 Quoting: green_girl


Did you feel outraged because someone called you out as a shill for the 1.479.320 time???

You're easy the most disliked and trolled poster on GLP and there's not a single GLPer who didn't manage to spot your shill rhetoric in all threads you're commenting.

How's that for "credibility"???

you want to save your thread? then DISCUSS my findings of obvious textures in the area under the panel and address my claim that it is an over exposed image.
if you can't discuss the issue you shouldnt have a thread.
 Quoting: green_girl


LOOL your "overexposure" CONVENIENTLY appears in the EXACT location where I pointed the clearly visible straight line where the black sky is unfinished and strangely your "overexposure" doesn't affect the solar array.

If that border was irregular, curvaceous with a mound shape, you could even fool someone with your bullshit, alleging a relief feature there, but too bad for you it's a straight line.

The relief horizon is CLEARLY defined because the ground texture is darker than the grey missing area.

But regardless all obvious visible evidences, your butthurt reaction alone just wraps it all.
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there is no missing texture. the texture is there, it is just that the picture is over exposed in those areas and it is getting washed out. if i adjust the levels i can see texture, far from missing anything really.

[link to i.imgur.com]

I think the reason you prefer to think it fake is because it appears to show stars behind it, and that would go against your previous claims.

as for earth, the sky is big. how do you know for sure that the earth is supposed to be in this particular frame and not slightly to the left or right?
 Quoting: green_girl


shill siren2


 Quoting: Ford Prefect


oh please, you know I am not a shill.
 Quoting: green_girl


You sound A LOT like one, and that's an unanimous opinion among 98% of GLPers.

You know, when outrageous claims are made and the only rebuttal from the op is to start crying shill, you begin to lose credibility.
 Quoting: green_girl


Did you feel outraged because someone called you out as a shill for the 1.479.320 time???

You're easy the most disliked and trolled poster on GLP and there's not a single GLPer who didn't manage to spot your shill rhetoric in all threads you're commenting.

How's that for "credibility"???

you want to save your thread? then DISCUSS my findings of obvious textures in the area under the panel and address my claim that it is an over exposed image.
if you can't discuss the issue you shouldnt have a thread.
 Quoting: green_girl


LOOL your "overexposure" CONVENIENTLY appears in the EXACT location where I pointed the clearly visible straight line where the black sky is unfinished and strangely your "overexposure" doesn't affect the solar array.

If that border was irregular, curvaceous with a mound shape, you could even fool someone with your bullshit, alleging a relief feature there, but too bad for you it's a straight line.

The relief horizon is CLEARLY defined because the ground texture is darker than the grey missing area.

But regardless all obvious visible evidences, your butthurt reaction alone just wraps it all.
 Quoting: green_girl


it is not much of a straight line ford. i have a lot of experience with photography, and i am telling you there is ground texture in that spot, and it looks very natural to me.
there is not supposed to be sky in that spot.
the grey part you are talking about is obviously below the horizon as anyone can see.
you are ignoring what i have shown you and trying to deflect the conversation by making it about how no one likes me. whatever. weak tactics of a guy that doesn't have a thread.
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shill siren2


 Quoting: Ford Prefect


oh please, you know I am not a shill.
 Quoting: green_girl


You sound A LOT like one, and that's an unanimous opinion among 98% of GLPers.

You know, when outrageous claims are made and the only rebuttal from the op is to start crying shill, you begin to lose credibility.
 Quoting: green_girl


Did you feel outraged because someone called you out as a shill for the 1.479.320 time???

You're easy the most disliked and trolled poster on GLP and there's not a single GLPer who didn't manage to spot your shill rhetoric in all threads you're commenting.

How's that for "credibility"???

you want to save your thread? then DISCUSS my findings of obvious textures in the area under the panel and address my claim that it is an over exposed image.
if you can't discuss the issue you shouldnt have a thread.
 Quoting: green_girl


LOOL your "overexposure" CONVENIENTLY appears in the EXACT location where I pointed the clearly visible straight line where the black sky is unfinished and strangely your "overexposure" doesn't affect the solar array.

If that border was irregular, curvaceous with a mound shape, you could even fool someone with your bullshit, alleging a relief feature there, but too bad for you it's a straight line.

The relief horizon is CLEARLY defined because the ground texture is darker than the grey missing area.

But regardless all obvious visible evidences, your butthurt reaction alone just wraps it all.
 Quoting: green_girl



it is not much of a straight line ford. i have a lot of experience with photography, and i am telling you there is ground texture in that spot, and it looks very natural to me.
 Quoting: green_girl


Yes that's a straight line. I don't care what you say, you're not handling me despite what you may think.

That grey area is a gross mistake made when someone forgets to apply texture to .3ds, .obj models in a scene. Been there, done that.

CGI programs display 3D objects either in wireframe or flat-shaded polygons. Perhaps whoever rendered that image was in a hurry, under pressure and either forgot to add texture to a last object or thought nobody would notice because flat-shaded models are grey as well.

If you're gonna fake a moon landing still image, you gotta do it flawlessly because anyone with some mileage in 3D rendering will spot a mistake.


there is not supposed to be sky in that spot.
the grey part you are talking about is obviously below the horizon as anyone can see.
 Quoting: green_girl


It doesn't matter the extension of the sky area, because it's a background layer and the other 3D objects, including the terrain, are placed in front of it.

The grey are is clearly distinct from the horizon, anyone with experience in 3D rendering can see that.


you are ignoring what i have shown you and trying to deflect the conversation by making it about how no one likes me. whatever. weak tactics of a guy that doesn't have a thread.
 Quoting: green_girl


I didn't ignore your explanation, I just addressed it and your "overexposure" doesn't hold water.

But I did forget to answer you how do I know that Earth is supposed to be in that frame.

[link to l65i.img-up.net]

Not only Earth, but the Sun as well, because that's the celestial position as seen from the rover in Sinus Iridium.

Conveniently the Chinese government didn't release a wide angle image of the lander because there's nothing in the sky behind it.
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As you see Green Shill I DO have a thread, otherwise you wouldn't be here sweating off your neck for the Chinese government.
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As you see Green Shill I DO have a thread, otherwise you wouldn't be here sweating off your neck for the Chinese government.
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sweating off my neck?? for the chinese? oh ford, you are lost and confused. or crazy. i like you and prefer to think you are not here for disinfo purposes, but you are grasping at straws yet again. You are wrong on every count you gace.
i clearly showed the ground terrain hidden in the grey area. you cannot debunk it. What are you saying? they put it in and covered it up with grey and forgot to uncover it?
First you said it was supposed to be sky but when i argued that you said it didnt even matter.
it is ground, obviiously, and with a tweak of the exposure i can reveal the ground, so whatever it is you are trying to do you are failing, since it is so easily debunked by anyone with photoshop.
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Plain and simple china found out USA faked the landing and instead of calling our bluff there saying they made it also what is the USA gonna do say its fake.I doubt it.
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Green Girl is right.

OP it seems you are just looking for anything so that you can claim its fake. Nothing but wishful thinking so far on your part I'm afraid. Until you provide proof I'm calling BS on this, well at least on your evidence.

Your clutchin at straws bro
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sweating off my neck?? for the chinese? oh ford, you are lost and confused. or crazy.
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I don't see anybody else here besides YOU, desperately trying to prove the Chinese landing was not fake.

But of course, you're not a shill and everybody on GLP know that. cruise

i like you and prefer to think you are not here for disinfo purposes, but you are grasping at straws yet again. You are wrong on every count you gace.
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I really couldn't care less on what you think about me personally.

i clearly showed the ground terrain hidden in the grey area. you cannot debunk it. What are you saying? they put it in and covered it up with grey and forgot to uncover it?
 Quoting: green_girl


You just made my point tampering with the levels of the image. The top of your "terrain" is the edge of the solar panel and after the grey area is saturated to blue, the difference between the ground texture and the missing area flat-shaded surface is even MORE highlighted.

[link to i85i.img-up.net]

First you said it was supposed to be sky but when i argued that you said it didnt even matter.
 Quoting: green_girl


Yep, it's not the sky, it's just a 3D terrain model that was supposed to blend in with the ground and cover the unfinished sky, but someone forgot to apply a texture.

[link to d31i.img-up.net]

I don't blame the guys faking a moon landing for the Chinese government. It's a lot of pressure.

it is ground, obviiously, and with a tweak of the exposure i can reveal the ground, so whatever it is you are trying to do you are failing, since it is so easily debunked by anyone with photoshop.
 Quoting: green_girl


Playing with color levels is far from debunking the lack of texture in a 3d model. Try again.

Last Edited by Ford Prefect on 12/17/2013 12:28 PM
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Christ, leave the girl alone!

You guys have gone cuckoo crazy because of fail after fail.

No Ison, No Mayan, no NOTHING.

Hahahahaha.
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Christ, leave the girl alone!

You guys have gone cuckoo crazy because of fail after fail.

No Ison, No Mayan, no NOTHING.

Hahahahaha.
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"Leave the Green Shill alone!"

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I think your onto something.
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Christ, leave the girl alone!

You guys have gone cuckoo crazy because of fail after fail.

No Ison, No Mayan, no NOTHING.

Hahahahaha.
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"Leave the Green Shill alone!"

ocrocka
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yes, common shill tactic actually. first try to discredit the truth tetters, then mock their supporters in an effort to make sure no one continues to defend them, thereby isolating them. Cant beat me, so you attack. sorry ford, that poster is right, you are cuckoo.
I posted proof, and everything you have said about it is wrong.
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Christ, leave the girl alone!

You guys have gone cuckoo crazy because of fail after fail.

No Ison, No Mayan, no NOTHING.

Hahahahaha.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46579035


"Leave the Green Shill alone!"

ocrocka
 Quoting: Ford Prefect


blahblah5

yes, common shill tactic actually. first try to discredit the truth tetters, then mock their supporters in an effort to make sure no one continues to defend them, thereby isolating them.
 Quoting: green_girl


For a "truth teller" you have a boatload of people who dislike you by your simple presence in a thread.

blahblah5

Cant beat me, so you attack. sorry ford, that poster is right, you are cuckoo.
 Quoting: green_girl


I just did. I proved your shenanigans with color levels just highlighted the render fail in the grey area.

blahblah5

I posted proof, and everything you have said about it is wrong.
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You posted YOUR opinion and I proved it doesn't hold water.

Repeating "I say the truth" a thousand times doesn't make you right, just because a socket-puppet fake-persona AC poster agreed with you, much by the opposite, just highlights what you are.
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I think your onto something.
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Green Shill disagrees.
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