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Quick summary chapter Revelation in the bible
Quick summary Revelation.

Passed over 1st 5 chapters churches. Jesus bestows a blessing for those who read, hear and heed Revelation. Rev 1:3

Revelation of Jesus timeline:

7 seal judgements: 4 horses of apocalypse start journey - NWO-globalization, war(terrorism?), price food/staples soar, 1/4 part men dies (hunger,pestilence, catastrophes, etc)

5 Christians killed for faith.

6 Great earthquake and destruction.

Last seal judgement opens 7 trumpet judgements.

The 144,000 witnesses are sealed (protected) - and all hell is literally unleashed on earth.

7 Trumpet judgements: 1/3 of all trees destoyed, all grass burned up. Sun, moon stars all effect what is going to happen on earth(differently).

1/3 of sea life, and ships - die and destroyed.
The fresh water supply becomes poisonous.

Men that received mark are tortured 5 months

Another 1/3 part men dies (war? ELE????) in a little over a year.

Seventh trumpet judgement opens up 7 bowl judgements.

We are introduced between judgments to the 2 beasts of revelation, woman on the beast and the The AC who ultimately destroys the woman on the beast, mystery babylon (USD? elite? Fed?).

The AC's/beast sidekick (false prophet/second beast) tells all they must worship first beast's image, and take a mark to buy or sell. If anyone does this they are "lost forever".

Meanwhile the earth is going through such turmoil everyone is asking what is going on - sound familiar?

We will hear the gospel from the 144,000 who will be given a song no man can learn, and temple rebuilt.

2 witnesses will appear - and preach the gospel. After 31/2 years will be killed by beast.

They will lay in street 3 days and in front of the whole world God will ascend them into heaven.

The easiest part of all this time to recognize is the last 31/2 years. Luke details what happens:

All nations will surround Jerusalem. The AC will go in and defile the temple sanctuary. and declare himself to be God. He will then rule the world. He and his sidekick will
be able to perform miracles.

7 Bowl judgements: At the end of time - only people with mark of beast should be around to receive the double portion of God's wrath. 7 horrific bowl judgments essentially wipe out mankind, except for a remnant.

Then Jesus meets beast in what is know as armegeddon. Throws the beast in pit for 1000 years. After 1000 years the beast is released. Tries to get nations to go against Jersusalem. After the beast looses that battle is thrown into lake of fire.

God creates new heaven and earth. Jerusalem is center, and God will live with us.


legend:

Beast (EU, ruler AC)
Sidekick - false Prophet 2nd beast revelation - USA or China?
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Didn't summarize the first 5 chapters because they
introduce John and the importance of the 7 churches
of Asia minor receiving this message.

It is dictated to him by Jesus.

Many say the reason why the churches aren't mentioned
after chapter 5, is the church is raptured.

I'm not sure I agree with that assessment.

But would like to talk about the various churches
that existed at the time, and in many cases symbolize
the churches of today.

One easily recognized is the laodicean church - where
Jesus states it is neither hot or cold and he
could spew it out of his mouth. Pretty strong
words.
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7 churches of revelation are:

Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.

They don't seem to be in any particular order except the most complimented Philadelphia and the one that Jesus wanted to spew out of his mouth Laodicea are at the end.

Philadelphia is the only one he says he will keep from the hour of trial that is going to come on
the whole world i.e. tribulation, because they have kept his word and not denied Jesus' name.

Laodicea he says think they are rich, but are really wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked.
Naked being very sinful. He tells them they can become rich by being refined and put in the fire.
Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. They need to be earnest and repent. So all is not lost for this church.

He rebukes each church for some shortcoming they have - but offers a word of hope to all, and to repent.

Something interesting he tells the church of Smyrna they are poor, but are truly rich, and not to
be afraid of what they are about to suffer. They will be persecuted for 10 days.

I wonder if this symbolized the church will suffer through the tribulation that lasts 10 years.

But he encourages them and says they will not be hurt by the second death. Only the lost go through the second death. Everyone except those raptured go through the first death.
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IMHO - Jesus is not only giving the churches a message
to pass on to the congregation, but telling a lot about
ourselves and the kind of church we should be attending.

For the best eternal outcome the church of Philadelphia
that keeps the word of God i.e. teaches from the holy
scriptures and keeps his commandments. Living a life
based on the word of God and keeping his commandments
guarantees he will keep you from the tribulation.

The ones where people worship false idols, false prophets and
say they are jews but aren't should be avoided. But recognizing the state of the church and repenting will save you.
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I find the listed seven churches as a very interesting part of Revelations. So metaphorical or literal? Do you think that it is listing the 7 churches as 'archetypes' of individual Christians? Or are you inclined to believe that they are referring to the branches within Christianity? Interestingly enough the major schisms have produced 7 major branches:

1. Protestant
2. Anglican
3. Anabaptist
4. Catholic
5. Eastern Orthodox
6. Oriental Orthodox
7. Assyrian

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I find the listed seven churches as a very interesting part of Revelations. So metaphorical or literal? Do you think that it is listing the 7 churches as 'archetypes' of individual Christians? Or are you inclined to believe that they are referring to the branches within Christianity? Interestingly enough the major schisms have produced 7 major branches:

1. Protestant
2. Anglican
3. Anabaptist
4. Catholic
5. Eastern Orthodox
6. Oriental Orthodox
7. Assyrian

Sauce:
[link to upload.wikimedia.org]
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These first churches were essentially the very beginning of
Christianity; most heavily influence by the disciples and teachings of Jesus.

Unfortunately, as time passes people tend to "dilute" or
add their own interpretation of what scripture actually
means.

This is shown to be the case in the first 5 chapters of
Revelation.

An example of this is saying the inerrant Word of God is actually in error, then claiming to correct it i.e. watch tower or the book of mormons and so on and so forth.

Which is why we get so many sects, beliefs and interpretation.

Fortunately, the "true" word of God remains intact - and have been validated through the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Hence the church of Philadelphia - that keeps the Word of God.

The rest are distorting the Word of God.
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BTW, except where stated I believe the Book of Revelation
is to be taken literally.

If you look at the first seal - there is no way to mistake
it for symbolic - since we literally today have a global
economy and continue down the path of a NWO.

We will have an electronic currency and after that no one
will be able to buy or sell without a chip or tattoo
of some kind.

And I'm not sure if I made it clear, but I think as individual christians we fall into one of the categories of
characteristics that make up each church.
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BTW, except where stated I believe the Book of Revelation
is to be taken literally.

If you look at the first seal - there is no way to mistake
it for symbolic - since we literally today have a global
economy and continue down the path of a NWO.

We will have an electronic currency and after that no one
will be able to buy or sell without a chip or tattoo
of some kind.

And I'm not sure if I made it clear, but I think as individual christians we fall into one of the categories of
characteristics that make up each church.
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I think as individual christians we fall into one of the categories of
characteristics that make up each church.

I agree with this....
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First seal was opened when Saddam Fired scud missiles at our troops..

Irritable bowel/fibromylgia was born men's stomachs swelled like a women with child. and the feeling of scorpion stings all over the body.. this has spread around the world...

then Lymes disease from the tic which is of the lice family.

then West Nile mosquito was born. plague of flys.

E. Coli 015 plague struck America's cattle.. Plague of cattle

The media bringing everybody together in the battle of Armageddon... plague of frogs...

Illegal immigrants eating up all the money i.e. every green thing...

then finally a great earthquake immediately followed by the plague of hail mingled with fire and lightening that burned up a 1/3 of all plants, trees, fish, animals, and mankind upon the whole earth.. FUKISHIMA...

ITS ALL THERE...

NOW COMES THE WOES...
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First seal was opened when Saddam Fired scud missiles at our troops..

Irritable bowel/fibromylgia was born men's stomachs swelled like a women with child. and the feeling of scorpion stings all over the body.. this has spread around the world...

then Lymes disease from the tic which is of the lice family.

then West Nile mosquito was born. plague of flys.

E. Coli 015 plague struck America's cattle.. Plague of cattle

The media bringing everybody together in the battle of Armageddon... plague of frogs...

Illegal immigrants eating up all the money i.e. every green thing...

then finally a great earthquake immediately followed by the plague of hail mingled with fire and lightening that burned up a 1/3 of all plants, trees, fish, animals, and mankind upon the whole earth.. FUKISHIMA...

ITS ALL THERE...

NOW COMES THE WOES...

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51868057


I think all the seals are in play at the moment - just each at different stages.

Fuskushima could easily be one of the trumpet judgements.

God sets the stage long before any event reaches complete fulfillment. i.e. Eu started common market with agreement
in 1948; interestingly enough same year Israel became a
nation.

Just like in Mathew 24 - Jesus said when we see ALL these things begin to happen.

So events happen simultaneously. Not serially.
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There is no doubt fukishima is the plague of hail mingled with fire and electricity... you would have to be a fool not to see it... which means we are now on the woes... now comes to trib against Christians that Daniel and Christ warned about...

there is no doubt that the Second temple is an allegory for the white house and Obama is the Abomination of Desolation that destroys the country and kills many, many Christians... over 100 million like daniel says... there is no doubt that he is the king of the north that has the military behind him and attacks God's holiest of people...

Obama is the Antichrist... hang on your in for a hell of a ride..

My cousin is in the military and says almost nobody speaks english anymore which means he is stacking the US military with foreigners...
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I find the listed seven churches as a very interesting part of Revelations. So metaphorical or literal? Do you think that it is listing the 7 churches as 'archetypes' of individual Christians? Or are you inclined to believe that they are referring to the branches within Christianity? Interestingly enough the major schisms have produced 7 major branches:

1. Protestant
2. Anglican
3. Anabaptist
4. Catholic
5. Eastern Orthodox
6. Oriental Orthodox
7. Assyrian

Sauce:
[link to upload.wikimedia.org]
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Where do Lutherans rank or are they just lumped in with the Catholics? They are very close you know
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There is no doubt fukishima is the plague of hail mingled with fire and electricity... you would have to be a fool not to see it... which means we are now on the woes... now comes to trib against Christians that Daniel and Christ warned about...

there is no doubt that the Second temple is an allegory for the white house and Obama is the Abomination of Desolation that destroys the country and kills many, many Christians... over 100 million like daniel says... there is no doubt that he is the king of the north that has the military behind him and attacks God's holiest of people...

Obama is the Antichrist... hang on your in for a hell of a ride..

My cousin is in the military and says almost nobody speaks english anymore which means he is stacking the US military with foreigners...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51868057


The Book of Daniel chapters 7, 8, 9 ... and Mathew 24 all follow pretty closely with the Book of Revelation.

Daniel tells us about the 10 kings of Revelation and the Beast which matches perfectedly with the EU today. The sorrows Jesus mentions in Mathew 24 align with a lot of the judgements in Revelation.

The holy place spoken of in Daniel and Mathew 24 is definitely something completely defiled.

I have thought it could also be a church. Like when Obama covered up the portrait of Jesus during a speech. Or the time he disallowed Catholic services with contractor during the so called shutdown of the govt. There are many ways this could play out. But there are many anti-christs. If he isn't THE AC - he is still an anti-christ.
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There is no doubt fukishima is the plague of hail mingled with fire and electricity... you would have to be a fool not to see it... which means we are now on the woes... now comes to trib against Christians that Daniel and Christ warned about...

there is no doubt that the Second temple is an allegory for the white house and Obama is the Abomination of Desolation that destroys the country and kills many, many Christians... over 100 million like daniel says... there is no doubt that he is the king of the north that has the military behind him and attacks God's holiest of people...

Obama is the Antichrist... hang on your in for a hell of a ride..

My cousin is in the military and says almost nobody speaks english anymore which means he is stacking the US military with foreigners...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51868057


The Book of Daniel chapters 7, 8, 9 ... and Mathew 24 all follow pretty closely with the Book of Revelation.

Daniel tells us about the 10 kings of Revelation and the Beast which matches perfectedly with the EU today. The sorrows Jesus mentions in Mathew 24 align with a lot of the judgements in Revelation.

The holy place spoken of in Daniel and Mathew 24 is definitely something completely defiled.

I have thought it could also be a church. Like when Obama covered up the portrait of Jesus during a speech. Or the time he disallowed Catholic services with contractor during the so called shutdown of the govt. There are many ways this could play out. But there are many anti-christs. If he isn't THE AC - he is still an anti-christ.
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And I did forget the fact that DHS now lists Evangelical Christians at the top of the list as a terrorist organization. He blames christians for a lot of gov't budget problems etc. So he is slowly but surely starting to scapegoat christians the same way Hitler scapegoated Jews. But this is not news because Jesus said all this must come to pass. It's all in the bible.
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Quick summary Revelation.

Passed over 1st 5 chapters churches. Jesus bestows a blessing for those who read, hear and heed Revelation. Rev 1:3

Revelation of Jesus timeline:

7 seal judgements: 4 horses of apocalypse start journey - NWO-globalization, war(terrorism?), price food/staples soar, 1/4 part men dies (hunger,pestilence, catastrophes, etc)

5 Christians killed for faith.

6 Great earthquake and destruction.

Last seal judgement opens 7 trumpet judgements.

The 144,000 witnesses are sealed (protected) - and all hell is literally unleashed on earth.

7 Trumpet judgements: 1/3 of all trees destoyed, all grass burned up. Sun, moon stars all effect what is going to happen on earth(differently).

1/3 of sea life, and ships - die and destroyed.
The fresh water supply becomes poisonous.

Men that received mark are tortured 5 months

Another 1/3 part men dies (war? ELE????) in a little over a year.

Seventh trumpet judgement opens up 7 bowl judgements.

We are introduced between judgments to the 2 beasts of revelation, woman on the beast and the The AC who ultimately destroys the woman on the beast, mystery babylon (USD? elite? Fed?).

The AC's/beast sidekick (false prophet/second beast) tells all they must worship first beast's image, and take a mark to buy or sell. If anyone does this they are "lost forever".

Meanwhile the earth is going through such turmoil everyone is asking what is going on - sound familiar?

We will hear the gospel from the 144,000 who will be given a song no man can learn, and temple rebuilt.

2 witnesses will appear - and preach the gospel. After 31/2 years will be killed by beast.

They will lay in street 3 days and in front of the whole world God will ascend them into heaven.

The easiest part of all this time to recognize is the last 31/2 years. Luke details what happens:

All nations will surround Jerusalem. The AC will go in and defile the temple sanctuary. and declare himself to be God. He will then rule the world. He and his sidekick will
be able to perform miracles.

7 Bowl judgements: At the end of time - only people with mark of beast should be around to receive the double portion of God's wrath. 7 horrific bowl judgments essentially wipe out mankind, except for a remnant.

Then Jesus meets beast in what is know as armegeddon. Throws the beast in pit for 1000 years. After 1000 years the beast is released. Tries to get nations to go against Jersusalem. After the beast looses that battle is thrown into lake of fire.

God creates new heaven and earth. Jerusalem is center, and God will live with us.


legend:

Beast (EU, ruler AC)
Sidekick - false Prophet 2nd beast revelation - USA or China?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45137425

Your first mistake was to interpret a Spiritual books events into the operations of man. War terriorism, NWO, globalism and the like are not Judgements from God.

God judged the ungodly in this world with a flood, Sodom and Gommorah with Fire from Heaven.
So suddenly he turn to man to spread God's wrath upon mankind? No, It will be supernatural or cosmic events, that man has no control over.So that everyone will know it was from him and not some random act of man figting against man.
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There is no doubt fukishima is the plague of hail mingled with fire and electricity... you would have to be a fool not to see it... which means we are now on the woes... now comes to trib against Christians that Daniel and Christ warned about...

there is no doubt that the Second temple is an allegory for the white house and Obama is the Abomination of Desolation that destroys the country and kills many, many Christians... over 100 million like daniel says... there is no doubt that he is the king of the north that has the military behind him and attacks God's holiest of people...

Obama is the Antichrist... hang on your in for a hell of a ride..

My cousin is in the military and says almost nobody speaks english anymore which means he is stacking the US military with foreigners...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51868057


The Book of Daniel chapters 7, 8, 9 ... and Mathew 24 all follow pretty closely with the Book of Revelation.

Daniel tells us about the 10 kings of Revelation and the Beast which matches perfectedly with the EU today. The sorrows Jesus mentions in Mathew 24 align with a lot of the judgements in Revelation.

The holy place spoken of in Daniel and Mathew 24 is definitely something completely defiled.

I have thought it could also be a church. Like when Obama covered up the portrait of Jesus during a speech. Or the time he disallowed Catholic services with contractor during the so called shutdown of the govt. There are many ways this could play out. But there are many anti-christs. If he isn't THE AC - he is still an anti-christ.
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And I did forget the fact that DHS now lists Evangelical Christians at the top of the list as a terrorist organization. He blames christians for a lot of gov't budget problems etc. So he is slowly but surely starting to scapegoat christians the same way Hitler scapegoated Jews. But this is not news because Jesus said all this must come to pass. It's all in the bible.
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Yup but, watch for the currency Reset... that will be the Abomination of desolation which God tells us to flee...


That's when the destruction of babylon comes and Ruler against Ruler fights here in the USA... and the entire country is destroyed... this will be the civil war of daniel and revelation...
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Didn't summarize the first 5 chapters because they
introduce John and the importance of the 7 churches
of Asia minor receiving this message.

It is dictated to him by Jesus.

Many say the reason why the churches aren't mentioned
after chapter 5, is the church is raptured.

I'm not sure I agree with that assessment.

But would like to talk about the various churches
that existed at the time, and in many cases symbolize
the churches of today.

One easily recognized is the laodicean church - where
Jesus states it is neither hot or cold and he
could spew it out of his mouth. Pretty strong
words.
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Wow.

seven letters to seven churches. Have to take them out, lie them down align historical dates to really understand.
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I find the listed seven churches as a very interesting part of Revelations. So metaphorical or literal? Do you think that it is listing the 7 churches as 'archetypes' of individual Christians? Or are you inclined to believe that they are referring to the branches within Christianity? Interestingly enough the major schisms have produced 7 major branches:

1. Protestant
2. Anglican
3. Anabaptist
4. Catholic
5. Eastern Orthodox
6. Oriental Orthodox
7. Assyrian

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Where do Lutherans rank or are they just lumped in with the Catholics? They are very close you know
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I'm not really sure. I was just going with branches in the linked image. Maybe Anglican? That's a good question. Anybody?

The observation made earlier that perhaps the seals aren't in chronological order but instead simultaneous with measurement blew my mind a little bit. Ty OP :)
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Quick summary Revelation.

Passed over 1st 5 chapters churches. Jesus bestows a blessing for those who read, hear and heed Revelation. Rev 1:3

Revelation of Jesus timeline:

7 seal judgements: 4 horses of apocalypse start journey - NWO-globalization, war(terrorism?), price food/staples soar, 1/4 part men dies (hunger,pestilence, catastrophes, etc)

5 Christians killed for faith.

6 Great earthquake and destruction.

Last seal judgement opens 7 trumpet judgements.

The 144,000 witnesses are sealed (protected) - and all hell is literally unleashed on earth.

7 Trumpet judgements: 1/3 of all trees destoyed, all grass burned up. Sun, moon stars all effect what is going to happen on earth(differently).

1/3 of sea life, and ships - die and destroyed.
The fresh water supply becomes poisonous.

Men that received mark are tortured 5 months

Another 1/3 part men dies (war? ELE????) in a little over a year.

Seventh trumpet judgement opens up 7 bowl judgements.

We are introduced between judgments to the 2 beasts of revelation, woman on the beast and the The AC who ultimately destroys the woman on the beast, mystery babylon (USD? elite? Fed?).

The AC's/beast sidekick (false prophet/second beast) tells all they must worship first beast's image, and take a mark to buy or sell. If anyone does this they are "lost forever".

Meanwhile the earth is going through such turmoil everyone is asking what is going on - sound familiar?

We will hear the gospel from the 144,000 who will be given a song no man can learn, and temple rebuilt.

2 witnesses will appear - and preach the gospel. After 31/2 years will be killed by beast.

They will lay in street 3 days and in front of the whole world God will ascend them into heaven.

The easiest part of all this time to recognize is the last 31/2 years. Luke details what happens:

All nations will surround Jerusalem. The AC will go in and defile the temple sanctuary. and declare himself to be God. He will then rule the world. He and his sidekick will
be able to perform miracles.

7 Bowl judgements: At the end of time - only people with mark of beast should be around to receive the double portion of God's wrath. 7 horrific bowl judgments essentially wipe out mankind, except for a remnant.

Then Jesus meets beast in what is know as armegeddon. Throws the beast in pit for 1000 years. After 1000 years the beast is released. Tries to get nations to go against Jersusalem. After the beast looses that battle is thrown into lake of fire.

God creates new heaven and earth. Jerusalem is center, and God will live with us.


legend:

Beast (EU, ruler AC)
Sidekick - false Prophet 2nd beast revelation - USA or China?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45137425

Your first mistake was to interpret a Spiritual books events into the operations of man. War terriorism, NWO, globalism and the like are not Judgements from God.

God judged the ungodly in this world with a flood, Sodom and Gommorah with Fire from Heaven.
So suddenly he turn to man to spread God's wrath upon mankind? No, It will be supernatural or cosmic events, that man has no control over.So that everyone will know it was from him and not some random act of man figting against man.
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How do explain the Assyrians destroying the Northern Kingdom of Israel and Southern by Babylonians?

Now he is using everything - Spiritually and Physically.

It is going to be a destruction as Jesus said No man has ever experienced or will ever experience again.
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Sorry - forgot to say he is using the physical events to run up to the finale - the spiritual events.

He wants mankind to see that his word is coming true.

He wants no one to perish.

They are fools if they can't recognize what is going on.

Of course most won't, but he is a good God, loving God and a patient God.

But like he says - he is a Holy God and will not let Evil take over this world.
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Quick summary Revelation.

Passed over 1st 5 chapters churches. Jesus bestows a blessing for those who read, hear and heed Revelation. Rev 1:3

Revelation of Jesus timeline:

7 seal judgements: 4 horses of apocalypse start journey - NWO-globalization, war(terrorism?), price food/staples soar, 1/4 part men dies (hunger,pestilence, catastrophes, etc)

5 Christians killed for faith.

6 Great earthquake and destruction.

Last seal judgement opens 7 trumpet judgements.

The 144,000 witnesses are sealed (protected) - and all hell is literally unleashed on earth.

7 Trumpet judgements: 1/3 of all trees destoyed, all grass burned up. Sun, moon stars all effect what is going to happen on earth(differently).

1/3 of sea life, and ships - die and destroyed.
The fresh water supply becomes poisonous.

Men that received mark are tortured 5 months

Another 1/3 part men dies (war? ELE????) in a little over a year.

Seventh trumpet judgement opens up 7 bowl judgements.

We are introduced between judgments to the 2 beasts of revelation, woman on the beast and the The AC who ultimately destroys the woman on the beast, mystery babylon (USD? elite? Fed?).

The AC's/beast sidekick (false prophet/second beast) tells all they must worship first beast's image, and take a mark to buy or sell. If anyone does this they are "lost forever".

Meanwhile the earth is going through such turmoil everyone is asking what is going on - sound familiar?

We will hear the gospel from the 144,000 who will be given a song no man can learn, and temple rebuilt.

2 witnesses will appear - and preach the gospel. After 31/2 years will be killed by beast.

They will lay in street 3 days and in front of the whole world God will ascend them into heaven.

The easiest part of all this time to recognize is the last 31/2 years. Luke details what happens:

All nations will surround Jerusalem. The AC will go in and defile the temple sanctuary. and declare himself to be God. He will then rule the world. He and his sidekick will
be able to perform miracles.

7 Bowl judgements: At the end of time - only people with mark of beast should be around to receive the double portion of God's wrath. 7 horrific bowl judgments essentially wipe out mankind, except for a remnant.

Then Jesus meets beast in what is know as armegeddon. Throws the beast in pit for 1000 years. After 1000 years the beast is released. Tries to get nations to go against Jersusalem. After the beast looses that battle is thrown into lake of fire.

God creates new heaven and earth. Jerusalem is center, and God will live with us.


legend:

Beast (EU, ruler AC)
Sidekick - false Prophet 2nd beast revelation - USA or China?
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Your first mistake was to interpret a Spiritual books events into the operations of man. War terriorism, NWO, globalism and the like are not Judgements from God.

God judged the ungodly in this world with a flood, Sodom and Gommorah with Fire from Heaven.
So suddenly he turn to man to spread God's wrath upon mankind? No, It will be supernatural or cosmic events, that man has no control over.So that everyone will know it was from him and not some random act of man figting against man.
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How do explain the Assyrians destroying the Northern Kingdom of Israel and Southern by Babylonians?

Now he is using everything - Spiritually and Physically.

It is going to be a destruction as Jesus said No man has ever experienced or will ever experience again.
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The fourth beast that devours the entire earth is communism, the final battle happens in several places at the same time... Read this... gives exact locations of the final battle...

the USA is BABYLON...
Thread: Woe be unto thee, Babylon, and Asia! woe be unto thee, Egypt and Syria!
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I find the listed seven churches as a very interesting part of Revelations. So metaphorical or literal? Do you think that it is listing the 7 churches as 'archetypes' of individual Christians? Or are you inclined to believe that they are referring to the branches within Christianity? Interestingly enough the major schisms have produced 7 major branches:

1. Protestant
2. Anglican
3. Anabaptist
4. Catholic
5. Eastern Orthodox
6. Oriental Orthodox
7. Assyrian

Sauce:
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Where do Lutherans rank or are they just lumped in with the Catholics? They are very close you know
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I'm not really sure. I was just going with branches in the linked image. Maybe Anglican? That's a good question. Anybody?

The observation made earlier that perhaps the seals aren't in chronological order but instead simultaneous with measurement blew my mind a little bit. Ty OP :)
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You are welcome

answer to where does Lutheran church stand.

One must have discernment how their church stakes up to the early churches of Asia Minor.

For instance - what rituals does the Lutheran Church perform?

An idol is easily recognized, does it worship them?

A true prophet is correct 100% of the time. Will give a prophet that happens immediately - then can believe prophecies that won't be fulfilled for a long time. Anything less than 100% is a false prophet.

One must take a look and see if the church deviates from the holy scriptures.

Do they teach Jesus is the only way or there are many ways to heaven? That Jesus is part of the trinity.

These and many more things I hope to be writing about soon.
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stakes = stacks :)
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One or two other things come to mind.

Make sure your pastor teaches everything in context.

The bible uses many phrases that taken alone, can be
distorted and used to mislead people.

This happens all the time.

Which is why Paul warns us that anyone teaching anything
other than the Gospel of Jesus is not someone you
want to teach you.
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Here is a series of videos called signs of change

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I think they show we are at the beginning of sorrows or further along than we realize.

What did Jesus say in Mathew 24 that would point to the beginning of sorrows?

Take heed that no man deceive you - think about Jones town
and all people lead others to commit suicide. Haley's comet and others who deceived their flock.

What about wars and rumors of war - plenty of those.

Nation rising against nation. Now we have Japan vs China,
Israel vs all the middle east, North Korea against S Korea, The west against Iran and others. Russia/China always vetoing the USA and vice versa, France at war with an African nation ....

There are famines and pestilences and earthquakes in diverse places. Not everywhere, but in many place.

Mathew 24:8

All these are the beginning of sorrows.

We have been in the beginning of sorrows for awhile now.

So at some point soon we are going to see THE AC - do his thing.
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I know I gave a very quick summary of chapters 6 on, but would like to expand on the judgements and characters.

The judgements are not tied to the characters in a way that one could say - ah ha, this means we are at this point in time.

For instance I did mention the first seal has been on goimg since 1948 with the treaty of Brussels which lead to the formation of the WEU. Eventually this expanded into the EU.

The WEU essentially disbanded in 2010. But we do not know at what point the AC takes over the EU. We do know he convinces the 10 kings to bring down mystery babylon(the woman on the beast). But not if this is the power play that places him at the helm of the EU. He is definitely one of the participants of a covenant we're told he breaks 3 1/2 years into it. This has been discussed in other posts.

What the first seal tells us is a force was sent out to conquer the earth. Slowly but surely there has been a drive to unite all the countries on the earth into one global community. This has been unrelenting despite on going wars and conflicts.

The second seal tells us peace will be taken away from the earth. Once again this is happening all over the world at the same time the NWO is moving forward.

The impetus for this has been terrorism. Since 2001 there has been an increase in the number of conflicts going on in the world. Countries are now turning on each other. I mentioned them in a previous post, so won't repeat all, but one or 2 - china vs japan, n. korea vs s. korea ......

And the reason it is more serious today is because many of these countries have nukes.

The third seal is inflation for food prices. Some countries are rioting because of increases in staples.

The fourth seal is 1/4 of earth dies of all kinds of catastrophes. Now is this a 1/4 of earth population since 1948 or just a short time. All I know is calamities are taking peoples lives all over the world in all kinds of "weird" weather extremes.

The fifth seal is christians will be prosecuted. There is an increase world wide in the persecution of christians, especially in the muslim cultures. This will expand to all nations.

Then the sixth seal tells of a great earthquake, and sun becomes black, moon becomes blood.

One can assume there is much deestruction from this great earthquake, but cannot tell the extent from what is written about this seal.

And the seventh seal - introduces us to the trumpet judgements.

So what we can say is God is moving forward in preparation for the Grand Finale - The Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

Apparently evil must be removed from the earth before his return.

There is one exception - satan - he goes last.
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After the 144,000 witnesses from the 12 tribes of Jacob are sealed the trumpet judgements begin.

Pretty much during the first 4 trumpet judgements 1/3 parts of the entire earth including seas, ships and creatures in the sea are destroyed, with the exception all the grass is burned up.

The last 3 judgements are the trumpet woe judgements where men with mark of the beast shall be tormented for 5 months. They shall seek death and not find it.

The sixth trumpet judgement kills 1/3 part of men for an hour, a day, a month and a year.

The bible describes what kills these men. They are not human by any means.

The bible goes on to say:

20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
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The second woe judgement has several events tied into it besides the torture of men, and deaths of 1/3 of men.

Here we see the temple is measured, but is it going to be built.

Also the two witnesses appear, and are supernatural beings; killed by the beast after 3/12 years of witnessing the gospel to all.

What is interesting here is - do these events happen at the same time the woe judgements were pronounced?

Did the woe judgements usher in the Great Tribulation?

Meaning - once again the developments of these judgements are happening simultaneously.

I'm saying this because the Great Tribulation last 3 1/2 years and the 2 witnesses preach for
3 1/2 years.

After the 2 witnesses are killed, the second woe judgement has passed and the 3rd woe judgement commences.

The third woe judgements are events that spell the end of the world as we know it before Jesus
returns. He tells us - had this time not be shortened, no flesh would live.
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You skip the 5 first chapters, but they show one thing, from the end of the letters to the seven churches, you won't cross the word church anymore, something has changed, the following chapters relates the fate of christians who thought were saved, with the jews and the rest of the godless people.

They will witness the wrath of the Lamb AND, PLUS, the wrath of the father, gradually with mercyful advice before each woes are executed (still room for repenters), that's key to understand, once the church is snatch up by the Lamb(jesus), the shock of the revelation will suck many too hardcore repentance, that's where, in time, the son of perdition should be revealed and go against that wave of revival of a 'new born' church, that means a lot of sufferings, torture ect...at that time some will learn that the flesh doesn't save when you're tortured beyond expectation to rebuke the Savior, others will joyfully step to the guillotine to deliver their spirits.
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You skip the 5 first chapters, but they show one thing, from the end of the letters to the seven churches, you won't cross the word church anymore, something has changed, the following chapters relates the fate of christians who thought were saved, with the jews and the rest of the godless people.

They will witness the wrath of the Lamb AND, PLUS, the wrath of the father, gradually with mercyful advice before each woes are executed (still room for repenters), that's key to understand, once the church is snatch up by the Lamb(jesus), the shock of the revelation will suck many too hardcore repentance, that's where, in time, the son of perdition should be revealed and go against that wave of revival of a 'new born' church, that means a lot of sufferings, torture ect...at that time some will learn that the flesh doesn't save when you're tortured beyond expectation to rebuke the Savior, others will joyfully step to the guillotine to deliver their spirits.
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Didn't summarize the first 5 chapters because they
introduce John and the importance of the 7 churches
of Asia minor receiving this message.

It is dictated to him by Jesus.

Many say the reason why the churches aren't mentioned
after chapter 5, is the church is raptured.

I'm not sure I agree with that assessment.

But would like to talk about the various churches
that existed at the time, and in many cases symbolize
the churches of today.

One easily recognized is the laodicean church - where
Jesus states it is neither hot or cold and he
could spew it out of his mouth. Pretty strong
words.
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I did mention it - but only in passing.

I know there are many pre-tribers, mid-tribers among others so didn't want to get into a debate that no body changes any bodies view.

Chapter 1-5 are covered in subsequent chapters.
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chapter 12 in Revelation and onward has more symbolism and spirituality than the previous chapters.

We see Israel is symbolized by a woman with child and a great red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crown upon his heads.

This description of the dragon is also the description we get of the beast in Daniel and the first beast in Revelation.

Once again we are going into the last 3 1/2 of tribulation, where all nations surround Jerusalem and chases Israelis into the wilderness where God protects them for 3 1/2 years.

At this time satan is having his hay day upon the earth. He is in total control. Seems that way now.

Since he can't afflict the Israelis he goes after christians. Happening today.

And in chapter 13 we learn more about this first beast.





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