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Courts Reviving Debtors' Prison For Overdue Fines And Fees!!! {With VIDEO On Court Costs}

 
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Local courts are reviving debtors' prison for overdue fines and fees...even in minor traffic infractions.

Courts across the US are putting those in jail who cannot pay their court costs and fees.

As I am writing this, I cannot believe it is happening.

When one gets caught up in the justice system there is no end to the fees...fees for this...fees for that.

I honestly do not know what people are going to do.___________________________________________________

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As if out of a Charles Dickens novel, people struggling to pay overdue fines and fees associated with court costs for even the simplest traffic infractions are being thrown in jail across the United States.


Critics are calling the practice the new "debtors' prison" -- referring to the jails that flourished in the U.S. and Western Europe over 150 years ago. Before the time of bankruptcy laws and social safety nets, poor folks and ruined business owners were locked up until their debts were paid off.

Reforms eventually outlawed the practice. But groups like the Brennan Center for Justice and the American Civil Liberties Union say it's been reborn in local courts which may not be aware it's against the law to send indigent people to jail over unpaid fines and fees -- or they just haven't been called on it until now.

Advocates are trying to convince courts that aside from the legal questions surrounding the practice, it is disproportionately jailing poor people and doesn't even boost government revenues -- in fact, governments lose money in the process.

"It's a waste of taxpayer resources, and it undermines the integrity of the justice system," Carl Takei, staff attorney for the ACLU's National Prison Project, told FoxNews.com.
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How can one pay their debt if they are locked up?

This scares me to death.
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Roughly a third of U.S. states today jail people for not paying off their debts, from court-related fines and fees to credit card and car loans, according to the American Civil Liberties Union. Such practices contravene a 1983 United States Supreme Court ruling that they violate the Constitutions's Equal Protection Clause.


Some states apply "poverty penalties," such as late fees, payment plan fees and interest, when people are unable to pay all their debts at once. Alabama charges a 30 percent collection fee, for instance, while Florida allows private debt collectors to add a 40 percent surcharge on the original debt. Some Florida counties also use so-called collection courts, where debtors can be jailed but have no right to a public defender. In North Carolina, people are charged for using a public defender, so poor defendants who can't afford such costs may be forced to forgo legal counsel.

The high rates of unemployment and government fiscal shortfalls that followed the housing crash have increased the use of debtors' prisons, as states look for ways to replenish their coffers. Said Chettiar, "It's like drawing blood from a stone. States are trying to increase their revenue on the backs of the poor."
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I had no idea this was going on.

I am so worried for young people. They get caught up in the system all the time.

The system is trying to destroy us one way or another.
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For ObamaCare too! ??
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How can one pay their debt if they are locked up?

This scares me to death.
 Quoting: Krystal


U cant! if jailed in riverside california.. its 140 a day..

cash, check...or charge....k

it will not expire from your credit score either!
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I had no idea this was going on.

I am so worried for young people. They get caught up in the system all the time.

The system is trying to destroy us one way or another.
 Quoting: Krystal


yes it is. Scary stuff Krystal.
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For ObamaCare too! ??
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Oh, God...I know...we are living in a nightmare.
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How can one pay their debt if they are locked up?

This scares me to death.
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U cant! if jailed in riverside california.. its 140 a day..

cash, check...or charge....k

it will not expire from your credit score either!
 Quoting: Gonviral


I had no idea...this is a nightmare which is going to get worse.
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I had no idea this was going on.

I am so worried for young people. They get caught up in the system all the time.

The system is trying to destroy us one way or another.
 Quoting: Krystal


yes it is. Scary stuff Krystal.
 Quoting: ~Una~


It really is, Una.
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These fees/fines could be credited.

Chances are...the courts are collecting 'labor-backed' cash for profit or revenue.

They do not even charge the natural persons identity, they charge a 'trade/business' name.

Trade name example:
JOHN SMITH (capitalized)= Trade name.

John Smith (initialized)= natural name.

It would be illegal to bill the natural name of an individual, so they bill a trade/business name instead.

But because they sound the same, folks are fooled into thinking they are the same.

It may be "legal" to bill or charge a trade/business name, however, Making an employee or laborer pay *directly* from their own energy and labor, not *indirectly* from revenue or profit... would be unlawful.
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Fines issued by the government have always been punishable by jail if you don't pay them this is not a debtors prison for private debts.
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How can one pay their debt if they are locked up?

The time in jail is a certain amount per day off the fine.
It is the ultimate end result, fines are to replace jail time.
If you don't pay them, or pay them off, you can also arrange to do community service.
If you fail to do any of these eventually you will end up in jail but most of the time when you get arrested the judge will allow you to do community service to stop clogging up the jails.
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Fines issued by the government have always been punishable by jail if you don't pay them this is not a debtors prison for private debts.
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Roughly a third of U.S. states today jail people for not paying off their debts, from court-related fines and fees to credit card and car loans, according to the American Civil Liberties Union. Such practices contravene a 1983 United States Supreme Court ruling that they violate the Constitutions's Equal Protection Clause.
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question: how much tyranny will the tyrants impose?

answer: as much as you're willing to put up with.
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How can one pay their debt if they are locked up?

The time in jail is a certain amount per day off the fine.
It is the ultimate end result, fines are to replace jail time.
If you don't pay them, or pay them off, you can also arrange to do community service.
If you fail to do any of these eventually you will end up in jail but most of the time when you get arrested the judge will allow you to do community service to stop clogging up the jails.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48994189


Even if you do community service, there are still fees you have to pay.
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question: how much tyranny will the tyrants impose?

answer: as much as you're willing to put up with.
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It is time for a revolution.
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You think Wallstreet will fail and then be bailed out?
You think the USA can wage multiple wars?
You think there are two political parties?

You think there are not lobbyists?
You think the Politicians in the 3 branches do not serve corporate interests?

You think those of the later baby boomer generation will say anything as long as they get their social security and medicare?

You think?

No!

Day will come when debt is fine, is payment sought, payment due court plus fines, county and state, and potentially federal which one will serve time.

Time, as a slave.

Ultimate goal, come to fruition, the execution of slavery through cultural, corporate, educational indoctrination.

You will serve. You will die. You will.

You have no choice.

You are welcome.
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How did breast cancer survivor Lisa Lindsay end up behind bars? She didn't pay a medical bill -- one the Herrin, Ill., teaching assistant was told she didn't owe. "She got a $280 medical bill in error and was told she didn't have to pay it," The Associated Press reports. "But the bill was turned over to a collection agency, and eventually state troopers showed up at her home and took her to jail in handcuffs."
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Even if you do community service, there are still fees you have to pay.

Yeah but they get tacked on to the community service hours if you have no way to pay, the whole lot is community service.
All courts have costs and fees if you don't pay the fine on time it gets fees, so you get it taken to court and tell them you are broke they will give you community service.
So it ends up double the amount sure but that is to make people pay it on time and if you have double the amount and it ends up being community service.
Anyone who has done community service knows its not exactly hard! cruise
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Even if you do community service, there are still fees you have to pay.

Yeah but they get tacked on to the community service hours if you have no way to pay, the whole lot is community service.
All courts have costs and fees if you don't pay the fine on time it gets fees, so you get it taken to court and tell them you are broke they will give you community service.
So it ends up double the amount sure but that is to make people pay it on time and if you have double the amount and it ends up being community service.
Anyone who has done community service knows its not exactly hard! cruise
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48994189


U can play this down if you want to...the fact is there are people in jail right now, because they could not pay court costs.
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The way the get around the law, Ie outlawing debtors prison, is to charge them with contempt of court for not following a court order. Little do people know that they can challenge the contempt charge. The courts can not hold you contempt for something that you can not possible do. But not many know this.
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Seems logical, states and federal goverments cannot afford things if you dont pay them, might as well spend all that money on keeping a person jailed away so they cannot get a job to pay it back.
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I had no idea this was going on.

I am so worried for young people. They get caught up in the system all the time.

The system is trying to destroy us one way or another.
 Quoting: Krystal


yes it is. Scary stuff Krystal.
 Quoting: ~Una~


It really is, Una.
 Quoting: Krystal


I knew the entire system is a scam the first time I got a traffic ticket and saw the the courthouse had a full bank in the bottom floor, complete with teller windows and the private banks name proudly placed above the door.. ECV Credit inc. No withdrawals.. just taking deposits and all court fines where paid to this private corporation. Later I would get random calls a few times a year about a case that "had not been settled" even though I had the matter dismissed by the judge.. just this private inc going on a fishing expedition for money from any body who did not know better.

then there is the state of California stealing from peoples accounts, even out of state.

our company had a business bank transaction declined and when we checked into it, turns out that california had been freezing small amounts of funds each month. Normaly it was under a hundred so it was not noticed but chase had just increased the fee they charge you to help the state steal from your account to over 200 dollars and that put the account into the red.

We are in new york but we had a contractor from LA work on a single case for us and california has been dipping into our food ever since. Chase would not help at all so finally we closed the account and opened elsewhere.

Who the fuck asked for all this confiscation? Who besides those who steals the monies derives any benefits?

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as society and economy implode it will turn into the government working to keep itself alive at all costs so it will either be those employed to do the government's bidding or those victims of it. victims will be enslaved or put to death depending on their worth to the system. the end.
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Umm, increasing debt with fines?