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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 46552577 United States 12/26/2013 01:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.cbsnews.com] Roughly a third of U.S. states today jail people for not paying off their debts, from court-related fines and fees to credit card and car loans, according to the American Civil Liberties Union. Such practices contravene a 1983 United States Supreme Court ruling that they violate the Constitutions's Equal Protection Clause. Some states apply "poverty penalties," such as late fees, payment plan fees and interest, when people are unable to pay all their debts at once. Alabama charges a 30 percent collection fee, for instance, while Florida allows private debt collectors to add a 40 percent surcharge on the original debt. Some Florida counties also use so-called collection courts, where debtors can be jailed but have no right to a public defender. In North Carolina, people are charged for using a public defender, so poor defendants who can't afford such costs may be forced to forgo legal counsel. The high rates of unemployment and government fiscal shortfalls that followed the housing crash have increased the use of debtors' prisons, as states look for ways to replenish their coffers. Said Chettiar, "It's like drawing blood from a stone. States are trying to increase their revenue on the backs of the poor." |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 47382801 United States 12/26/2013 01:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | These fees/fines could be credited. Chances are...the courts are collecting 'labor-backed' cash for profit or revenue. They do not even charge the natural persons identity, they charge a 'trade/business' name. Trade name example: JOHN SMITH (capitalized)= Trade name. John Smith (initialized)= natural name. It would be illegal to bill the natural name of an individual, so they bill a trade/business name instead. But because they sound the same, folks are fooled into thinking they are the same. It may be "legal" to bill or charge a trade/business name, however, Making an employee or laborer pay *directly* from their own energy and labor, not *indirectly* from revenue or profit... would be unlawful. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 48994189 United States 12/26/2013 01:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How can one pay their debt if they are locked up? The time in jail is a certain amount per day off the fine. It is the ultimate end result, fines are to replace jail time. If you don't pay them, or pay them off, you can also arrange to do community service. If you fail to do any of these eventually you will end up in jail but most of the time when you get arrested the judge will allow you to do community service to stop clogging up the jails. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 46552577 United States 12/26/2013 01:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Fines issued by the government have always been punishable by jail if you don't pay them this is not a debtors prison for private debts. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48994189 Roughly a third of U.S. states today jail people for not paying off their debts, from court-related fines and fees to credit card and car loans, according to the American Civil Liberties Union. Such practices contravene a 1983 United States Supreme Court ruling that they violate the Constitutions's Equal Protection Clause. |
ErinTarn User ID: 23154143 United States 12/26/2013 01:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1. Save money 2. Buy land on patent 3. BUILD a house 4. Buy a popular model older car in cash 5. Limit what services you use that incurr a monthly payment 6. Hold money in cash and precious metals 7. Think carefully before getting a credit card 8. Never have more than one credit card 9. Gives mates an ultimatum: Prenup or take a hike 10. Get a vasectomy as early as possible "Brawndo! It's got electrolytes!" |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 46552577 United States 12/26/2013 01:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How can one pay their debt if they are locked up? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48994189 The time in jail is a certain amount per day off the fine. It is the ultimate end result, fines are to replace jail time. If you don't pay them, or pay them off, you can also arrange to do community service. If you fail to do any of these eventually you will end up in jail but most of the time when you get arrested the judge will allow you to do community service to stop clogging up the jails. Even if you do community service, there are still fees you have to pay. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 51973017 United States 12/26/2013 01:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You think Wallstreet will fail and then be bailed out? You think the USA can wage multiple wars? You think there are two political parties? You think there are not lobbyists? You think the Politicians in the 3 branches do not serve corporate interests? You think those of the later baby boomer generation will say anything as long as they get their social security and medicare? You think? No! Day will come when debt is fine, is payment sought, payment due court plus fines, county and state, and potentially federal which one will serve time. Time, as a slave. Ultimate goal, come to fruition, the execution of slavery through cultural, corporate, educational indoctrination. You will serve. You will die. You will. You have no choice. You are welcome. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 46552577 United States 12/26/2013 02:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to finance.yahoo.com] How did breast cancer survivor Lisa Lindsay end up behind bars? She didn't pay a medical bill -- one the Herrin, Ill., teaching assistant was told she didn't owe. "She got a $280 medical bill in error and was told she didn't have to pay it," The Associated Press reports. "But the bill was turned over to a collection agency, and eventually state troopers showed up at her home and took her to jail in handcuffs." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 48994189 United States 12/26/2013 02:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Even if you do community service, there are still fees you have to pay. Yeah but they get tacked on to the community service hours if you have no way to pay, the whole lot is community service. All courts have costs and fees if you don't pay the fine on time it gets fees, so you get it taken to court and tell them you are broke they will give you community service. So it ends up double the amount sure but that is to make people pay it on time and if you have double the amount and it ends up being community service. Anyone who has done community service knows its not exactly hard! |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 46552577 United States 12/26/2013 02:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Even if you do community service, there are still fees you have to pay. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48994189 Yeah but they get tacked on to the community service hours if you have no way to pay, the whole lot is community service. All courts have costs and fees if you don't pay the fine on time it gets fees, so you get it taken to court and tell them you are broke they will give you community service. So it ends up double the amount sure but that is to make people pay it on time and if you have double the amount and it ends up being community service. Anyone who has done community service knows its not exactly hard! U can play this down if you want to...the fact is there are people in jail right now, because they could not pay court costs. |
talkstory User ID: 51953301 Thailand 12/26/2013 02:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The way the get around the law, Ie outlawing debtors prison, is to charge them with contempt of court for not following a court order. Little do people know that they can challenge the contempt charge. The courts can not hold you contempt for something that you can not possible do. But not many know this. talkstory |
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EscapeVelocity User ID: 50869962 South Korea 12/26/2013 02:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I had no idea this was going on. Quoting: Krystal I am so worried for young people. They get caught up in the system all the time. The system is trying to destroy us one way or another. yes it is. Scary stuff Krystal. It really is, Una. I knew the entire system is a scam the first time I got a traffic ticket and saw the the courthouse had a full bank in the bottom floor, complete with teller windows and the private banks name proudly placed above the door.. ECV Credit inc. No withdrawals.. just taking deposits and all court fines where paid to this private corporation. Later I would get random calls a few times a year about a case that "had not been settled" even though I had the matter dismissed by the judge.. just this private inc going on a fishing expedition for money from any body who did not know better. then there is the state of California stealing from peoples accounts, even out of state. our company had a business bank transaction declined and when we checked into it, turns out that california had been freezing small amounts of funds each month. Normaly it was under a hundred so it was not noticed but chase had just increased the fee they charge you to help the state steal from your account to over 200 dollars and that put the account into the red. We are in new york but we had a contractor from LA work on a single case for us and california has been dipping into our food ever since. Chase would not help at all so finally we closed the account and opened elsewhere. Who the fuck asked for all this confiscation? Who besides those who steals the monies derives any benefits? Land of the feeeeeee and the home of the slaaaaveee Last Edited by EscapeVelocity on 12/26/2013 02:30 AM "I know that the molecules in my body are traceable to phenomena in the cosmos. That makes me want to grab people on the street and say: 'Have you HEARD THIS?" -Neil deGrasse Tyson :fly_sail: If you hate my avatar.. you are going to love this.. [link to youtu.be] In Death members of Project Mayhem Have a name. His name is James M. Boyd. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 51941323 United States 12/26/2013 04:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | as society and economy implode it will turn into the government working to keep itself alive at all costs so it will either be those employed to do the government's bidding or those victims of it. victims will be enslaved or put to death depending on their worth to the system. the end. |
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