ISON ~ Massive Cloud Of Debris Located By Amateur Astronomer? (Confirmation Required)

indeed!!!
astro and hydra!

Absolutely nothing will be noticed or felt from the 10th to the 20th. I wouldn't be surprised if ISON was a hoax to distract us from the hoax of Fukushima all while they are spraying radiation poisoning from jets everyone calls contrails!

Agreed..
safe journeys

Which is, in itself, an ad hominem. The continuous unintentional irony never fails to amuse, nor does the believers' continued utter failure to even *address* any of my points.

And imitation *is* the sincerest form of flattery. I'd like to think Astro and Hydra, among others, picked up that habit up from me. It is a pleasant conceit.

Oh, and FYI

[link to www.skyandtelescope.com]

Meteor shower today and tomorrow.

AGAIN....
this shower does NOT contain large meteors or potential 'fireball'
these rocks will burn up in moments
the fireballs witnessed over the last few weeks have NOTHING to do.with this shower

and neither will any potential fireballs.....

The topic of "who you guys are" is more concerning to me than your points that you make.

Why?

Once again, I must point out that who I am has no bearing on the validity of my points, nor my questions. I'm just a guy who has been on GLP a long time, and watched failure after failure of the cosmic-doom prophecies, from Nancy Lieder on up -- and watched some of them have detrimental consequences to people I've cared about.

Why does who I am *matter* to you at all, other than I disagree with those who make claims about cosmic-disasters-happening-soon that seem to invariably fail? What is the *proper* way to disagree? Or would you prefer no such dissent at all?

It doesn't, I do not care. I do not actively pursue figuring out "who you are".

You don't exist in my universe. If I make you exist, I can see you for who you are. Gut feeling.

I never disagreed with you.

You seem to be contradicting yourself. If you do not care, as you say in your second post to me, then why is the topic of "who you guys are" more concerning to you, as you say in the post immediately before?

Sorry to have infected this thread with bots.

It is concerning, for others, though I am not concerned, only for others. I thought you'd say that.

Not Phil.



I don't fight *at all.* What is unfair about keeping track of predictions, and pointing out when they fail, or when those who make promises fail to keep them?



I don't. Poisoning the Well noted. I do tend to point out when certain predictions, particularly those with expiration dates, fail.



Science is a *process* that is slow and messy but gets you there eventually. Failures are an integral and necessary part of that process. Slowly, painfully slowly sometimes, the cruft gets filtered out.

However, if the Internet has proved anything, it is the propensity for people to throw more cruft *in.*



I assume you are speaking of something particular that I am unaware of. Ad hominem noted, by the by.



There is no such team, at least as far as I am concerned. I'm wholly independent. Strawman and ad hominem noted.



It is not bullying to ask questions and expect answers on a message forum, nor to point out and source contradictory information and facts. Poisoning the well noted.



Except that I am not in the pay of any government or agency to post at GLP nor anywhere else. *Again* ad hominem.



When have you ever seen me post about climate change *at all?* You really must put away your broad brushes, Thor.



Again: No team. No attack on a person, I just disagree with ideas, and hold those who make "fear-mongering" predictions accountable when those predictions fail to materialize. That's all.

Deal with it.


EDIT: I also cannot help but notice that my questions were, once again, ignored. How shocking.

Last Edited by 74444 on 01/03/2014 01:52 PM

Hm. Apparently I will have to remain in the dark about what, exactly, you are trying to convey. Ah, well.

And yet you said:

Hmmm....

I'm aware of what I said

This pack of shills always does the little post dissection response thing and often take a phrase out of context and qoute it as an avoidance tactic.

One thing seems certain. They are sympathetic towards the current administration. I bet nobody can qoute one post from any one of this obvious pack of shills that would indicate that they either do or don't support Obama.

They like to keep it non political but are in obvious support.

"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
-Mark Twain

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Oh yeah because they always see it coming. If a fireball comes they will know it and formally film it make it a event.

What is concerning is, if Thor is right about it being a team of people - imagine what other sites have teams of people grooming opinion? I can't help but notice all the comments on news articles made before it was even distributed news. The opinion shaping is a powerful tool, but the amount of work to keep such a large charade a secret you have to assume its private sector or people of like mind.

Either way, the amount of resources spent is astonishing.

which is why, out of the sake of control, I would invest in some serious AI.

this is all data mining for me anyways, who knows about the 12th of January i'm not saying bring your tomato plants in. I use foul language to provoke "emotion" and you can clearly see they never pulled the "calm down you crazy person" card.

I know one thing, the amount of work 7444 and Astro and folks do compiling thread discussions - I might pay you more than you make now to do it for me in my line of work cause I hate PM shit, this is serious wasted talent, or is it? :)

Actually, AC, GLP recently had the Backlash card at the bottom - you might have notice how the tides turned recently even in the media against the administration, congress, and Obama.

Thor is right, they stick to the party vibe until they realize it has critical massed to a new opinion and set of talking points.

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Interesting. Strangely this is the one member of the pack with such responses. Also sometimes makes racist comments. It really does almost make you seem inconspicuous. Every now and then there are glimpses behind the facade however. Like when you made it clear 2 weeks before Hubble attempted to view Ison dust that it would not even be possible. Which could only leave us with the conclusion that NASA must have known this as well and was just putting on a useless show for the people rather than using a scope that could actually see you get dust cloud. Yes they were looking for big chunks.

..but they had already said that wasn't likely so what was the point? We just wanted details about the dust cloud.

It's some total bullshit. They could have plainly stated that there could still be a large dust cloud with dangerous sized debris.

Why would they just happen to leave out the most significant detail?

Oh, I see, so if I don't say anything bad about Obama, it's because I'm a shill and the shill line is to not be political, but if I say something bad about Obama, it's because I'm a shill and it's reached "critical mass" for me to be political... Got it. Yup, I'm definitely a shill!

Link?

I see, so when I make accurate predictions, it's because I'm a shill. Got it. Yup, I'm a shill!

NASA, unlike you, does not fear monger over false comet doom. The dust cloud, whether it contains "dangerous sized debris" or not, does not come anywhere near earth and it is not a threat. Period.

NASA was interested in seeing if a significant fraction of the nucleus survived. If it had, Hubble would be capable of seeing it. Most of their scientists don't really give a damn what doomtards think or say, so why would they tailor their messages to what you want to know about? They won't. Their interest was never in finding "dangerous fragments of ISON headed this way" because they, like me, knew such claims were downright silly.

Did you even read my post? The default view you see when you go to [link to www.solarsystemscope.com] is the Schematic view, which doesn't display the solar system to scale. You need to switch to the Realistic mode in options menu. Once you do, you see that Earth passes well below the debris stream and NOT through is like the default schematic view shows. Realistic mode - [link to i.imgur.com]

Last Edited by BoxerLvr on 01/03/2014 04:25 PM

So you disagree with NASA too huh?

We are not talking about a bullet following a single trajectory. We are talking about a debris field getting pushed away by the sun.

It has already been stated how much wider than earth the field is, I am sorry that the line didn't intersect with earth to make you understand this - so I refer back to NASA.

have any linkable retractions by NASA? Because I continue to be the only one linking a confirmation we are going through the field.

anyone?

Last Edited by x0mega on 01/03/2014 04:56 PM

The delta-V needed to "push it to earth post-perihelion" is not only incredibly high, but it also would have had to have been in a generally sunward direction at perihelion. "Pushing it away from the sun" only pushes its perigee distance higher, meaning farther from earth at closest approach.

NASA never claimed the ridiculous BS you're claiming.

You are the most tenacious shill at GLP.

Please change your name to Dr. Shillstro, in the interests of honesty in advertising.