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People don't go to hell for their sins..

 
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Looks of your flag, you probably going to know soon enough.
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Ridiculous nonsense.

A life spent doing good deeds with unselfish motives matters whether or not you've ever heard the name of Jesus or cared to accept the story of his existence.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49801954


It is not our works that give us a ticket to Paradise, it is by the grace supplied through the death and resurrection of Christ. You do realize that many bad people also do good works. Oprah donates millions to various charities as does Bill Gates. By the standard of men these are good people, yet unto God if they have not repented and the spirit does not dwell in them, all of their works are as good as a bag of rags.

Many people give with a motive, many so called Christians give with motive. An example are those who send a 5,000 dollar seed in hopes of a bigger return from God. Another example are those who give for a tax benefit. What good is a gift if it is done with an expectation? We are all filthy rags, we are only justified because Christ paid our penalties.

Op is correct, it isn't our sins that send us to hell. We are all worthy of that punishment, it is simply based on whether or not we choose to accept the free gift of salvation. In other words, we all have a court date, some choose to accept the free lawyer/mediator whom is Christ our savior, he who stands for us before God. Others choose to go it alone and this is a poor plan, remember the old saying "Only a fool represents himself."


If you died tomorrow, are you represented? If not you should consider this before hand because we all will face a ruling someday and it is clear in the mandate that we must have representation, no amount of good works can spare us.
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5a I accept !! I pray everyone who views my thread comes to the revelation of Jesus Christ's saving grace.

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All people going to be rescued from this world, and the renegades running it into the ground will be rounded up and counceled for however long it takes to make them whole.

Family loses NO ONE!

There is no such thing as permanent hell but for those who won't rise up their consciousness and reach for happiness or the hands that are reaching down to help, they can sink for a kazillion years, but FAMILY NEVER GIVES UP ON ANYONE, GOD/SOURCE/HIGHER SELF AND FAMILY.

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Ok Lets get started with these. Let me know when you are finished and if you'd like more!

Hell

(In the A. V. this word occurs in O. T. Scriptures, cited below, and is the translation of the Hebrew word “sheol,” which signifies the unseen state)

In the R. V. of O. T. it appears only in (Isa 5:14 14:9,15 28:15,18 57:9 Eze 31:16,17 32:21,27 Am 9:2 Jon 2:2 Hab 2:5)

In the R. V., “sheol” is translated “lowest pit” (De 32:22 Ps 86:13)

And it is translated “pit” in (Ps 55:15)

In the R. V. the word “Sheol” itself occurs in the following scriptures (2Sa 22:6 Job 11:8 26:6 Ps 9:17 16:10 18:5 116:3 139:8 Pr 5:5 7:27 9:18 15:11,24 23:14 27:20)

“Sheol” is translated “grave” in A. V. in (Ge 37:35 42:38 44:29,31 1Sa 2:6 1Ki 2:6 9:1 ... Job 7:9 14:13 17:13 21:13 24:19 Ps 6:5 30:3 31:17 49:14,15 88:3 89:48 141:7 Pr 1:12 30:16 Ec 9:10 So 8:6 Ho 13:14)

In the R. V. the Greek word “gehenna” is translated “hell” in the following scriptures (Mt 5:22,29,30 10:28 18:9 23:15,33 Mr 9:43,45,47 Lu 12:5 Jas 3:6)

The R. V. has introduced “Hades,” the word found in the Greek text, which signifies the unseen world, in the following scriptures (Mt 11:23 16:18 Lu 10:15 16:23 Ac 2:27,31 Re 1:18 6:8 20:13,14)
 Quoting: Mrdlaw4Jc 51545261


That's good stuff. The fact that they took the liberty of using different terms to translate a single Hebrew word kind if illustrates the subjectivity of the whole matter of translation. They made it say what they thought God meant in each case, instead of simply presenting the text objectively and allowing it to speak for itself.

If sheol = Hell, why exactly is Jacob expecting to go there in Genesis 37:35 when he thinks Joseph is dead?
A: He's not, because sheol is merely "the hereafter".
 Quoting: MuadDib987 (nli)


I don't think you're quoting the correct scripture.

Genesis 33-36
33 And he recognized it and said, “It is my son’s tunic. A wild beast has devoured him. Without doubt Joseph is torn to pieces.” 34 Then Jacob tore his clothes, put sackcloth on his waist, and mourned for his son many days. 35 And all his sons and all his daughters arose to comfort him; but he refused to be comforted, and he said, “For I shall go down into the grave to my son in mourning.” Thus his father wept for him.

36 Now the Midianites[a] had sold him in Egypt to Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh and captain of the guard.

Sorry, but I have to believe that you are taking a SERIOUS departure from Scripture here.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51545261


Didn't you just point out that the Hebrew word for "grave" in Genesis 37:35 is sheol? I'm merely confirming that this word does not mean "Hell", because Jacob would not be talking about going there.



Buy doing so you are preaching doctrines of demons! I think you know where I think that will get you!

Peace out :)
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Don't sweat it. The bottom line is that Jesus saves, and He isn't going to take "no" for an answer. How that equals a doctrine of demons I cannot conceive.

1 Corinthians 15 tells us that ultimately, God will become "all in all".

Daniel 2 talks about a Stone, cut without hands, that grinds Nebuchadnezzar's statue to dust, and then grows until it fills the earth. This Stone is Christ and His kingdom.

Habakkuk 2 tells us that eventually, "the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord as the waters cover the sea".

Isaiah 26 tells that when God's judgments are in the earth, its inhabitants will learn righteousness.

Psalm 2 talks about being granted the heathen as an inheritance, and the ends of the earth as a possession.

In Revelation 22, the leaves of the Tree of Life are for the healing of the peoples (Greek = ethnos).

David tells the Father in Psalm 65 "Unto Thee shall all flesh come".

In Revelation, we're told that the gates of New Jerusalem never close. Isaiah 60 elaborates upon this, saying in verse 11 that they remain open so the kings and armies of the nations may be brought within.

These things all describe what Ephesians calls "the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus" to become evident in the coming ages.
 Quoting: MuadDib987 (nli)



There are different uses of the words grave/ Sheol.
Here is some info for you.

This is a thorough bible study about the meaning of the Hebrew word שְׁאוֹל, Sheol (Strong's 7585) translated Hell and the Grave. It gives every verse where the word "sheol" appears in the Old Testament. To obtain a true understanding of this word these scriptures need to be meditated on and notes made of their meaning in different contexts. This requires putting scriptures together where they seem to have a similar meaning, and then meditating even more. The truth will be revealed by the Holy Spirit, who has been given to guide us into all truth (John 16:13). Wherever this word sheol appears in the Hebrew, the translation of it is highlighted with bold type and underline. In Hebrew the suffixes and some prepositions are added to the basic word to enhance the meaning, and where this has been done the meaning of the suffix or preposition has been included in highlighted text. Every blessing be to those who seek the
truth of God's word.

Also a link to the exhaustive study.

[link to www.logosapostolic.org]

My point is that many here are trying to dismiss the realities of Hell. It is my sincere belief that this is a grave mistake. (pun intended)
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My point is that many here are trying to dismiss the realities of Hell.
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Don't sweat it. Centuries of brainwashing and spiritual slander have convinced God's fan club that Hell is going to reign victorious, swallowing most everyone who's ever lived, and that Christ, despite conquering death and having all authority in heaven & earth, is only able to rescue some 1-10% of the people He hoped to. However, it's time for these mental strongholds to come down and the lights to come on.
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Ridiculous nonsense.

A life spent doing good deeds with unselfish motives matters whether or not you've ever heard the name of Jesus or cared to accept the story of his existence.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.
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I agree! God is no particular religion. How could He be?
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Re: People don't go to hell for their sins..
No such thing as hell as you have been led to believe. See:

[link to www.tentmaker.org]
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Hell does not exist, Grow Up!
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According to scripture and the bible it does, so unless you can refute the accuracy of the bible (and believe me many have tried and failed) then you have no basis for understanding. Jesus Christ spoke in his own words of it.
 Quoting: Brightstarz


Actually, "hell" is an English word which didn't even exist until centuries later. The gospels were issued in Greek, and the word which "Jesus" (not even His real name) used was Gehenna, the name of the local landfill. It was a burning, maggot-infested garbage dump. He was warning the people standing right in front of Him about the coming destruction of Jerusalem. When the Romans sacked the city just 40 years later, they dumped the deceased carcasses in Gehenna. Jesus was warning the Pharisees about a specific national judgment that has since come and gone.

Same basics on the topic can be found here. . .
[link to what-the-hell-is-hell.com]


If in fact the classic Hell is real, can you show where in scripture God first announced that sinners go to an afterlife of fire? If it's as serious as Christianity Inc. asserts, God would hopefully have mentioned it to Adam & Eve as soon as possible, right? Yet there's no record of any such discussion. If we follow the history, God also neglected to mention Hell to Cain (world's first murderer), Noah, Abraham, or Moses. The info He gave Moe amounted to volumes of detailed directives, including specifics on how to handle menstruation, yet in all of it, there's no mention of Eternal Damnation - all the punishments for disobedience involved this earthly life: defeat, dishonor, disease, captivity, crop failure, etc.

The concept of Hell has no basis in scripture - it's a pagan fairy tale that was smuggled into God's house and has snowballed into one of the biggest idols we have. The early christians of the first couple of centuries widely believed in the eventual redemption of everyone. But when Rome took control and tainted everything, this view suddenly became "heresy", and ambitious clergy reveled in the idea of endless destruction, by which they could scare commoners into submission. This essentially birthed the dark ages, as understanding of God's saving Grace & Victory was locked away in a dungeon. Church officials became exactly like their warped "god" and had no conscience about burning peasants at the stake for such offenses as asking questions or reading scripture for themselves.
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Amazing post.... They won't want to touch this with a 10-foot pole....

cool2
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Here's your "10-foot pole": Adam and Eve were banished from the Garden of Eden for their transgression.

Hell is interpreted by some theologians to be separation from God and all that means.

By their rationalizations courtesy of Wikipedia and this site shall thee know them.

You are not more clever than the ones you quote and God is no moron.
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My point is that many here are trying to dismiss the realities of Hell.
 Quoting: Mrdlaw4Jc 51545261


Don't sweat it. Centuries of brainwashing and spiritual slander have convinced God's fan club that Hell is going to reign victorious, swallowing most everyone who's ever lived, and that Christ, despite conquering death and having all authority in heaven & earth, is only able to rescue some 1-10% of the people He hoped to. However, it's time for these mental strongholds to come down and the lights to come on.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52621665


Why does Jesus speak more about hell than He does
about Heaven?
He also said the road was NARROW that led to eternal life
(He is THAT ROAD) and FEW there be that find it.

You say Jesus is only able to "rescue" 1-10%?
He is able to save 100% of the people who come to HIM
in repentence, seeking salvation.

He stands at the door and KNOCKS.
It isn't God's will that ANY should perish,
but those who reject God, which is MOST of humanity,
are NOT going to be herded into Heaven.
Quite the contrary, and Jesus pulled NO PUNCHES about it.
ALL of the lost, and they aren't lost because no means
of salvation is presented to them,
all of the lost will join the devil and his angels in the
Lake of Fire, for all eternity.

MATTHEW 25
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand,
Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire,
prepared for the devil and his angels:


REVELATION 20
15 And whosoever was not found written
in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
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Hell is interpreted by some theologians to be separation from God and all that means.
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And I can never get them to explain how they've determined that, when Psalm 139 says God is even in "hell" (sheol), and Revelation 14 says that those in the lake of fire will be in the presence of the Lamb. There's no separation - it's just more popular myth that everyone accepts because everyone else accepts it.

You guys know there's good reason why God commands us to "come out of her", right? This whole matter is the byproduct of a corrupt religion. This Harlot basically declares the Father to be impotent by insisting that He has to cook all those lost people He was apparently unable to redeem (despite His best efforts.)

And it's no different than the controversy in Paul's day over God saving gentiles: it was good news to everyone but the hardcore Jews, who were outraged and tried to murder Paul for even suggesting such heresy.

Jesus said "If I be lifted up, I will drag all men to me". And He also said "He that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out", right? The problem seems to solve itself.
Please pray for me: I used to be a Good Christian™, until I got a hold of some kind of fruity "love" bullshit and decided I need to be less harsh on people.
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Why does Jesus speak more about hell than He does
about Heaven?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52744782


He doesn't - hired scholars put those words in His mouth. English didn't even exist until over 1000 years after He walked the earth.

He also said the road was NARROW that led to eternal life
(He is THAT ROAD) and FEW there be that find it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52744782


Agreed. It was only a minority of His audience in those days who accepted Him, and even fewer actually became disciples.

You say Jesus is only able to "rescue" 1-10%?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52744782


Yeah, that 1 to 10% is Christianity's estimate, based on the noise I hear from Christians around here. But instead of only that sliver being *saved*, I submit that only that sliver will be the Heirs, the Overcomers who qualify as the sons of God who will administer the Kingdom. These are the Meek, who inherit the earth, and will receive the "heathen" as an inheritance (Psalm 2).

He is able to save 100% of the people who come to HIM
in repentence, seeking salvation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52744782


Agreed, 100%. This repentance is the whole goal of judgment. . .

Jonah 2: "I cried out to the LORD because of my affliction,
And He answered me. Out of the belly of Sheol I cried,
And You heard my voice."

Isaiah 26: For when Your judgments are in the earth,
The inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.


He stands at the door and KNOCKS.
It isn't God's will that ANY should perish,
but those who reject God, which is MOST of humanity,
are NOT going to be herded into Heaven.
Quite the contrary, and Jesus pulled NO PUNCHES about it.
ALL of the lost, and they aren't lost because no means
of salvation is presented to them,
all of the lost will join the devil and his angels in the
Lake of Fire, for all eternity.

MATTHEW 25
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand,
Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire,
prepared for the devil and his angels:


REVELATION 20
15 And whosoever was not found written
in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52744782


It's not "everlasting". It's only temporary. It's no different than the KJV saying that Jonah was in the whale "forever". It wasn't forever - it was 3 days, and then he was out, safe, and finally obeying what God called him to do.

It's also not literal fire. God Himself is a consuming fire, right? If God needs to subject obstinate sinners to fire, you suppose He would find a way to do it with the intent of a Parent who cares, instead of like some shyster trying to burn compromising evidence in a back alley somewhere?

People may "reject" God today, but when they see Him as He is, that won't be a problem any longer.

Q: Would you agree that we reap what we sow? Jesus says we'll each receive due for our deeds, right?
So, do you know anyone who has burned people for all eternity during their life here on earth? Those are the only folks who are in danger of your scary Eternal Damnation.
Please pray for me: I used to be a Good Christian™, until I got a hold of some kind of fruity "love" bullshit and decided I need to be less harsh on people.
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Re: People don't go to hell for their sins..
The Lake of Fire is not some body of literal fire, or the sun, or anything other than what scripture defines the symbol of "fire" as:

"Our God is a consuming fire" - Hebrews 12 (an echo of Deuteronomy 4:24)

"Is not My word like fire?" - Jeremiah 23

He makes "His ministers a flame of fire" - Hebrews 1 (also Psalm 104)

fiery trials = sharing in the sufferings of Christ - 1 Peter 4

Israel's captivity in Egypt = "an iron furnace" - Deuteronomy 4:20

A "fiery law" proceeded from God's right hand - Deuteronomy 33

God apparently set Israel "on fire", and they didn't even realize it - Isaiah 42


>> It's not literal fire. It's symbolism for things which *function* like fire. <<


The "lake of fire" is an immersion in these ^^ things. A world governed by God's Kingdom. Isaiah 60 points out that the gates of new Jerusalem remain open for the purpose of bringing the kings and armies of the world *within*. The "lost" remain in the "lake", outside the "city", only until they're ready to come into the "city" and become a citizen.



Note that per Revelation 14, those cast into this "lake" are "in the presence of the Lamb". He Himself is likely the fire that purifies.

The only thing that it burns up is the old, corrupt nature and its debris. . .

Fire will expose and test each person's works. . ."if it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames" - 1 Corinthians 3

"By mercy and truth iniquity is purged". . .Proverbs 16

"The wicked will see it and be vexed, He will gnash his teeth and melt away; The *desire* of the wicked will perish" - Psalm 112

The glory of the Lord seemed like a consuming fire to the children of Israel - Exodus 24

It was by fire that He revealed His Law to them. Moses went right up to it, but the masses were afraid. . .
"For this great fire will consume us; if we hear the voice of the LORD our God anymore, then we shall die" - Deuteronomy 5

-->> Fire was equated with hearing His voice

The process of "fire" leaves us in ashes. . .a scriptural symbol of humility.

All through the Laws of Moses, fire is what made the offerings acceptable and pleasing to God.


After Israel defeated an enemy, all the gold, silver, brass, iron, tin and lead were to be purified by fire. . .
Paraphrased, "Everything that can withstand fire must go through fire, by which it shall be made clean. Any other materials which *cannot* withstand fire must be purified by water." - Numbers 31
Please pray for me: I used to be a Good Christian™, until I got a hold of some kind of fruity "love" bullshit and decided I need to be less harsh on people.
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And for the geometrically inclined. . .

Luke 12: "I came to send fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled"

Exodus 22: "If fire breaks out and catches in thorns, so that stacked grain, standing grain, or the field is consumed, He Who kindled the fire shall surely make restitution."
Please pray for me: I used to be a Good Christian™, until I got a hold of some kind of fruity "love" bullshit and decided I need to be less harsh on people.
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Will the psychopath go to hell?
Simply because the part of his brain that regulates empathy is missing or defected. Just like a one legged man being punished for being unable to run a marathon.

Will the Lion go to hell for being a Lion?

Will the Child abuser go to hell whom himself was abused as a kid and didnt know any better?

Will the depressed go to hell?

Will the chronically ill go to hell, simply for not being able to take care of themselves?

Will the ADHD go to hell simply because they have no patience to read the bible.

Will the mentally ill go to hell?

Will Muslim/Hundu/Protestant/Catholic/20000 other known religions go to hell, simply because they picked the wrong religion?

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10858653


This is good stuff. If we have a heart, we're looking for reasons to render slack to people. I suggest that many of these cases you mention qualify as the "poor in spirit", whom Jesus says are ripe for God's Kingdom.

cheers
Please pray for me: I used to be a Good Christian™, until I got a hold of some kind of fruity "love" bullshit and decided I need to be less harsh on people.
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Re: People don't go to hell for their sins..
Those who fail to accept the free payment of their sins, paid by Jesus's death, go to hell because they are still in the prison(place) of sin.
Once you accept Christ you are moved into the place of righteousness.

All the bad deeds are not what send you to hell. The punishment for those sins were judged and punished in the body of Jesus Christ at the cross.
It's what you choose to do with Christ that determines your ultimate fate.

May God's grace find you hf
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Seeker-friendly philosophy.
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Hell is interpreted by some theologians to be separation from God and all that means.
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And I can never get them to explain how they've determined that, when Psalm 139 says God is even in "hell" (sheol), and Revelation 14 says that those in the lake of fire will be in the presence of the Lamb. There's no separation - it's just more popular myth that everyone accepts because everyone else accepts it.

You guys know there's good reason why God commands us to "come out of her", right? This whole matter is the byproduct of a corrupt religion. This Harlot basically declares the Father to be impotent by insisting that He has to cook all those lost people He was apparently unable to redeem (despite His best efforts.)

And it's no different than the controversy in Paul's day over God saving gentiles: it was good news to everyone but the hardcore Jews, who were outraged and tried to murder Paul for even suggesting such heresy.

Jesus said "If I be lifted up, I will drag all men to me". And He also said "He that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out", right? The problem seems to solve itself.
 Quoting: MuadDib987 (nli)



It is God who makes the determination, not us.

Many of these interpretations of scripture seem to be searches for "get out" clauses.

Hell, like Heaven, may be quite personal.

We will have the answer for the harm we have done to others.
God has a perfect sense of justice and hears our cries.

Why does this bother you?
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Why does Jesus speak more about hell than He does
about Heaven?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52744782


He doesn't - hired scholars put those words in His mouth. English didn't even exist until over 1000 years after He walked the earth.

He also said the road was NARROW that led to eternal life
(He is THAT ROAD) and FEW there be that find it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52744782


Agreed. It was only a minority of His audience in those days who accepted Him, and even fewer actually became disciples.

You say Jesus is only able to "rescue" 1-10%?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52744782


Yeah, that 1 to 10% is Christianity's estimate, based on the noise I hear from Christians around here. But instead of only that sliver being *saved*, I submit that only that sliver will be the Heirs, the Overcomers who qualify as the sons of God who will administer the Kingdom. These are the Meek, who inherit the earth, and will receive the "heathen" as an inheritance (Psalm 2).

He is able to save 100% of the people who come to HIM
in repentence, seeking salvation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52744782


Agreed, 100%. This repentance is the whole goal of judgment. . .

Jonah 2: "I cried out to the LORD because of my affliction,
And He answered me. Out of the belly of Sheol I cried,
And You heard my voice."

Isaiah 26: For when Your judgments are in the earth,
The inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.


He stands at the door and KNOCKS.
It isn't God's will that ANY should perish,
but those who reject God, which is MOST of humanity,
are NOT going to be herded into Heaven.
Quite the contrary, and Jesus pulled NO PUNCHES about it.
ALL of the lost, and they aren't lost because no means
of salvation is presented to them,
all of the lost will join the devil and his angels in the
Lake of Fire, for all eternity.

MATTHEW 25
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand,
Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire,
prepared for the devil and his angels:


REVELATION 20
15 And whosoever was not found written
in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52744782


It's not "everlasting". It's only temporary. It's no different than the KJV saying that Jonah was in the whale "forever". It wasn't forever - it was 3 days, and then he was out, safe, and finally obeying what God called him to do.

It's also not literal fire. God Himself is a consuming fire, right? If God needs to subject obstinate sinners to fire, you suppose He would find a way to do it with the intent of a Parent who cares, instead of like some shyster trying to burn compromising evidence in a back alley somewhere?

People may "reject" God today, but when they see Him as He is, that won't be a problem any longer.

Q: Would you agree that we reap what we sow? Jesus says we'll each receive due for our deeds, right?
So, do you know anyone who has burned people for all eternity during their life here on earth? Those are the only folks who are in danger of your scary Eternal Damnation.
 Quoting: MuadDib987 (nli)


Well, the first residents of the Lake of Fire
are the Antichrist and the False Prophet.
Jesus throws them into the Lake of Fire Himself.
One thousand years later, after Lucifer is loosed at
the end of the Millennium, Jesus casts him into the
Lake of Fire where:


REVELATION 20
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into
the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast
and the false prophet ARE,

AND SHALL BE TORMENTED
DAY AND NIGHT FOR EVER AND EVER.


After the Great White Throne Judgment, all of the lost
are resurrected, judged, and cast into the
LAKE OF FIRE!


I don't know how you can twist the
clear as crystal teaching
in the Word of God.
This is not even debatable,
but if you wish to contradict the Words of Jesus Christ
Himself, so be it.

It appears you DO NOT BELIEVE Jesus Christ.
I would warn all who share your distorted and contradictory
position on the clear teaching of scripture,
that what Jesus says, WILL come to pass, whether we
like it or not.
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I'm loving all these opinions hf

I'm currently working on a nice post to support what I believe hf

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We will have the answer for the harm we have done to others.
God has a perfect sense of justice and hears our cries.

Why does this bother you?
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Agreed, 100%. We'll each receive due for our deeds. I don't understand how it doesn't bother *you* to accept that God is going to burn people alive simply for not having met Him. Have you never burned your finger on a hot skillet? Can you think of any circumstance whatsoever in which you'd be OK with someone purposely being subjected to that for even 15 seconds? It's sick, and it's completely contrary to the nature of Someone Who would die for His enemies. Note that 3 times in Jeremiah (chapters 7, 19 & 32) God is discussing Israel's sins and cites how they burned their own children to foreign gods, and states that such a horrid act never crossed His mind. How could this be true if in fact thousands of people plummet into His fiery torture chamber on a daily basis? It's a massive contradiction, perpetuated by well-meaning but blind zealots.
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It appears you DO NOT BELIEVE Jesus Christ.

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Go with your gut, friend. It's disconcerting that I'm the one maintaining that "Jesus saves" while you guys are falling over yourselves with excuse after excuse as to why He's going to fail (colossally!), yet *I'm* the one who doesn't trust Him? Do the math.
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I'm loving all these opinions hf

I'm currently working on a nice post to support what I believe hf

Grace!
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For the record, here's a link to a detailed summary of a 100-year old publication pointing out that the early christians of the first few centuries widely believed in the eventual reconciliation of everyone. . .

[link to flyinabove.bloghi.com]

<< Not a single creed for five hundred years expresses any idea contrary to universal restoration, or in favor of endless punishment. >>

The Bereans would probably advise that we do some research and make an effort to get to the bottom of things, instead of simply going by whatever popular rumors are presented by today's Babylonian/Laodicean churches.
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We will have the answer for the harm we have done to others.
God has a perfect sense of justice and hears our cries.

Why does this bother you?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43647980


Agreed, 100%. We'll each receive due for our deeds. I don't understand how it doesn't bother *you* to accept that God is going to burn people alive simply for not having met Him. Have you never burned your finger on a hot skillet? Can you think of any circumstance whatsoever in which you'd be OK with someone purposely being subjected to that for even 15 seconds? It's sick, and it's completely contrary to the nature of Someone Who would die for His enemies. Note that 3 times in Jeremiah (chapters 7, 19 & 32) God is discussing Israel's sins and cites how they burned their own children to foreign gods, and states that such a horrid act never crossed His mind. How could this be true if in fact thousands of people plummet into His fiery torture chamber on a daily basis? It's a massive contradiction, perpetuated by well-meaning but blind zealots.
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If YOU care, say this prayer, "O my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell, bring all souls to Heaven, especially those most in need of Thy mercy."
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We will have the answer for the harm we have done to others.
God has a perfect sense of justice and hears our cries.

Why does this bother you?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43647980


Agreed, 100%. We'll each receive due for our deeds. I don't understand how it doesn't bother *you* to accept that God is going to burn people alive simply for not having met Him. Have you never burned your finger on a hot skillet? Can you think of any circumstance whatsoever in which you'd be OK with someone purposely being subjected to that for even 15 seconds? It's sick, and it's completely contrary to the nature of Someone Who would die for His enemies. Note that 3 times in Jeremiah (chapters 7, 19 & 32) God is discussing Israel's sins and cites how they burned their own children to foreign gods, and states that such a horrid act never crossed His mind. How could this be true if in fact thousands of people plummet into His fiery torture chamber on a daily basis? It's a massive contradiction, perpetuated by well-meaning but blind zealots.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52621665


If YOU care, say this prayer, "O my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell, bring all souls to Heaven, especially those most in need of Thy mercy."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43647980


No can do - it's against my policy to speak the words "O" or "Thy" ;)
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Re: People don't go to hell for their sins..
If every person shared the Gospel and discipled a small group in the Word of God, (King James Bible) they would be in obedience to the Word of God.


For those who want to learn, grow, get some good tips on how to prepare for what is coming, submit prayer requests, be discipled, etc., - there is a lot of good information available at this website: [link to www.kingmannafta.com]

If anyone wants Gospel tracts to use in their posts, or to hand out in their communities, they can contact the people at that site and they will send tracts to you either via email or snail mail.

hf
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I dont worship a being who sends people to a place of suffering nobody had a choice to be born the real freedom is from Universe
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Re: People don't go to hell for their sins..
Those who fail to accept the free payment of their sins, paid by Jesus's death, go to hell because they are still in the prison(place) of sin.
Once you accept Christ you are moved into the place of righteousness.

All the bad deeds are not what send you to hell. The punishment for those sins were judged and punished in the body of Jesus Christ at the cross.
It's what you choose to do with Christ that determines your ultimate fate.

May God's grace find you hf
 Quoting: gbear


Man was originally created in the image of God and for the glory of God (Genesis chapter 2).

The invisible war against man started with the first temptation in the garden of Eden (Genesis chapter 3). Satan caused Adam and Eve to sin.

This resulted in all men inheriting the basic sin nature and committing individual acts of sin due to this nature:
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned. (Romans 5:12)

It also resulted in the invisible war between man and the forces of evil:

And I will put enmity between thee (Satan) and the woman (mankind), and between thy seed (the forces of evil) and her seed (the forces of good represented by the Lord Jesus Christ)... (Genesis 3:15)

Because of sin, man was separated from God and condemned to death. But God loved man so much that He made a special plan to save him from sin:

For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved. (John 3:16-17)

Through belief in Jesus, confession of and repentance from sin, men and women can be released from the power of the enemy.

The death and resurrection of Jesus not only resulted in salvation from sin. It also defeated the enemy, Satan:

...For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. (I John 3:8)

But if Satan is defeated, why does the war still rage?

Following any war there are always pockets of enemy resistance, rebellious troops that will not give up until forced to do so.

Although Jesus defeated Satan, we are living in territory which is still occupied by enemy resistance forces. Understanding spiritual warfare strategies gives us the ability to deal with these evil powers.

Satan is trying to keep men captive in sin. Through deceptive methods he is enticing men and women to temporary lusts of sinful living. He aims for the affections of the soul and spirit which rightfully belong to God:

The thief (Satan) cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy; I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. (John 10:10)

Satan still wants to be the supreme ruler. He is waging an intense battle for the heart, mind, soul, and spirit of man.

His strategies are directed at God, His plan, and His people. The battle will continue until the great final conflict.
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Christians are righteous by faith not by works.
Our place of righteousness does not change when we fail.
It is a gift imputed to us.
Don't forget your place in Christ.
When you sin or fail, that is when you remember who you are in Christ and that will give you the power to go and sin no more.

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