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People don't go to hell for their sins..

 
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Those who fail to accept the free payment of their sins, paid by Jesus's death, go to hell because they are still in the prison(place) of sin.
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Then why are we Christers not liberating them ourselves, per Matthew 16:19? How hard is that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11037299


We are by preaching the Gospel.

By proclaiming the good news that are ticket to heaven is a free gift and God isn't hold their sins against them.
Past. Present. Future sins are covered.
Once you are in Christ, God sees you as righteous FOREVER.
When we fail or sin, that doesnt change our position of righteousness.
No, that's not a license to sin, but once we start believing right we will live right.
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"our" religitard
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OP, who is you teacher?? I hope you're not giving him/her any of your hard earned money as a tithe.
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So what do you believe.
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Those who fail to accept the free payment of their sins, paid by Jesus's death, go to hell because they are still in the prison(place) of sin.
Once you accept Christ you are moved into the place of righteousness.

All the bad deeds are not what send you to hell. The punishment for those sins were judged and punished in the body of Jesus Christ at the cross.
It's what you choose to do with Christ that determines your ultimate fate.

May God's grace find you hf
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and the bullshit goes on.. nobody can clear your sins, errors and mistakes out of your astral body, only you can do that.
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There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.

Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. Romans 8: 1-10
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5a
It's a sweet deal isn't it.

Nice post!!

Now, it is not I who liveth, but christ lives in me.
That's how we are able to live out a holy and godly life.
It's Christ working in us, rather than our own efforts.
If man was able to keep the 10 commandments? the law? etc.
Why did Christ come and die?

The law was meant to show man UP.
It was meant to show man that we aren't able to perform to God's standards.
God was trying to bring man to an END of himself. So, they would realize they need a savior.
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Re: People don't go to hell for their sins..
Those who fail to accept the free payment of their sins, paid by Jesus's death, go to hell because they are still in the prison(place) of sin.
 Quoting: gbear


Then why are we Christers not liberating them ourselves, per Matthew 16:19? How hard is that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11037299


We are by preaching the Gospel.

By proclaiming the good news that are ticket to heaven is a free gift and God isn't hold their sins against them.
Past. Present. Future sins are covered.
Once you are in Christ, God sees you as righteous FOREVER.
When we fail or sin, that doesnt change our position of righteousness.
No, that's not a license to sin, but once we start believing right we will live right.
 Quoting: gbear


"our" religitard
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Yeah, attack the person rather than actually looking at the content.
As if you've never made a typo.
Get real.
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OP you are preaching the correct gospel of Christ. The Blood of Jesus is what saves a person. It is free but a lot of people do not want it. I am so glad to know that when I sin it is covered by The Blood.
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This is all in it's context.

Hebrews 10:1-10

10 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
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OP you are preaching the correct gospel of Christ. The Blood of Jesus is what saves a person. It is free but a lot of people do not want it. I am so glad to know that when I sin it is covered by The Blood.
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Thank you.
hf
His Grace is sufficient in every which way to Sunday.!
Nice to have support on here.
Yes, and just like he told the woman caught in adultery-- We are given the gift of no condemnation and which then empowers us to go and sin no more.
For years, the church has had it backwards.
They say "go and sin no more AND THEN we wont condemn you".
As a result, peoples lives are just caught in a loop of habitual sinning and condemnation. That's what gives Christians a bad name.
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Ridiculous nonsense.

A life spent doing good deeds with unselfish motives matters whether or not you've ever heard the name of Jesus or cared to accept the story of his existence.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.
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Sorry bud, but you can do all the unselfish acts you want, without accepting Christ and His shed blood, you will not make it into heaven. No man comes to The Father except by Jesus Christ. This is a free gift, and it would be better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
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There is no Hell, there is no Devil and there is no Satan. If you kill someone, you will be killed the next lifetime.

You bombed and blew 100 up with 50 dead and 50 Injured then you will suffered 100 lifetimes with 50 injured and 50 death.

The law of attraction is still intact. The is Hell.
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Well, if you want to be apart of another kingdom there's plenty of room.
A kingdom of Supply, eternal youth, healing, hope, and all things working out together for good. You're welcome to join hf
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Ridiculous nonsense.

A life spent doing good deeds with unselfish motives matters whether or not you've ever heard the name of Jesus or cared to accept the story of his existence.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49801954


Sorry bud, but you can do all the unselfish acts you want, without accepting Christ and His shed blood, you will not make it into heaven. No man comes to The Father except by Jesus Christ. This is a free gift, and it would be better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
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:) THIS ^^^^
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After reading many NDE'S - BOTH KINDS - heaven and hell experiences It seems to me that the person is not sent to hell, it I is just that he is not taken to heaven, He is thus left behind and suffers the fate of whatever satans thugs and demons want to do to him. A terrible fate awaits them.
God's angels come for the righteous ones and they are transported to heaven.
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After reading many NDE'S - BOTH KINDS - heaven and hell experiences It seems to me that the person is not sent to hell, it I is just that he is not taken to heaven, He is thus left behind and suffers the fate of whatever satans thugs and demons want to do to him. A terrible fate awaits them.
God's angels come for the righteous ones and they are transported to heaven.
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I've looked at those to, but I don't know which are real or not.
In your beliefs, how is one ensured they are guaranteed a life in heaven?
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So if Jeffrey Dahmer and Ted Bundy Wayne Gacy and that weirdo that left his mothers corpse among 50 other tortured and murdered girls in his house are now in heaven? Because they repent their sins 5 minutes before they plugged the electric chair in?

And an Aboriginal, that saved lives of lost tourists in theOutback, or eskimos or Indians that never hurt a fly, or Indian kids that were grown up in Hinduism and never hurt anyone.

Will go to hell because they didnt know all that much about the historical figure of Jesus?
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After reading many NDE'S - BOTH KINDS - heaven and hell experiences It seems to me that the person is not sent to hell, it I is just that he is not taken to heaven, He is thus left behind and suffers the fate of whatever satans thugs and demons want to do to him. A terrible fate awaits them.
God's angels come for the righteous ones and they are transported to heaven.
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I've looked at those to, but I don't know which are real or not.
In your beliefs, how is one ensured they are guaranteed a life in heaven?
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My beliefs are the same as yours. Salvation and heaven are assured upon acceptance of CHRIST's redeeming power.
I do believe, however, that many are insincere and if their life does not show it, then why would their experience be considered credible.Alot of ppl are swept along by the emotion of the moment and then put aside as life sweeps them along.
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Re: People don't go to hell for their sins..
Those who fail to accept the free payment of their sins, paid by Jesus's death, go to hell because they are still in the prison(place) of sin.
 Quoting: gbear


Then why are we Christers not liberating them ourselves, per Matthew 16:19? How hard is that?
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Why do you always have to post ANON, instead of getting an account and being...well accountable, for what you preach yourself...
 Quoting: Brightstarz


I do have an account, but I rarely log in. What's the difference? We believers still need to work towards solving the alleged problem(s) instead of postulating contrived BS such as the precise reason people are supposedly damned.

And, hey look - I'm accountable now because I have a pseudo-avatar =D
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Why do you always have to post ANON, instead of getting an account and being...well accountable, for what you preach yourself...
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applause2
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The Blood of Jesus is what saves a person. It is free but a lot of people do not want it.
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And is God's will going to be done, or theirs? It's kind of an important issue.
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Well, if you want to be apart of another kingdom there's plenty of room.
A kingdom of Supply, eternal youth, healing, hope, and all things working out together for good. You're welcome to join hf
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oh grace you are so sweet to this forum.

Love this...
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Those who fail to accept the free payment of their sins, paid by Jesus's death, go to hell because they are still in the prison(place) of sin.
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Then why are we Christers not liberating them ourselves, per Matthew 16:19? How hard is that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11037299


Why do you always have to post ANON, instead of getting an account and being...well accountable, for what you preach yourself...
 Quoting: Brightstarz


I do have an account, but I rarely log in. What's the difference? We believers still need to work towards solving the alleged problem(s) instead of postulating contrived BS such as the precise reason people are supposedly damned.

And, hey look - I'm accountable now because I have a pseudo-avatar =D
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accounts that don't get used much, are very sus.....
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Then why are we Christers not liberating them ourselves, per Matthew 16:19? How hard is that?
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Why do you always have to post ANON, instead of getting an account and being...well accountable, for what you preach yourself...
 Quoting: Brightstarz


I do have an account, but I rarely log in. What's the difference? We believers still need to work towards solving the alleged problem(s) instead of postulating contrived BS such as the precise reason people are supposedly damned.

And, hey look - I'm accountable now because I have a pseudo-avatar =D
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accounts that don't get used much, are very sus.....
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Suspect whatever you like, friend - I'm here posting truth every day with no other agenda than exhibiting Christ Jesus
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Suspect whatever you like, friend - I'm here posting truth every day with no other agenda than exhibiting Christ Jesus
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And yet you apparently don't understand what the gospel teaches as it clearly says about conditions about getting into the kingdom, redemption, and what happens when one fails to qualify for it.
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Suspect whatever you like, friend - I'm here posting truth every day with no other agenda than exhibiting Christ Jesus
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And yet you apparently don't understand what the gospel teaches as it clearly says about conditions about getting into the kingdom, redemption, and what happens when one fails to qualify for it.
 Quoting: Brightstarz


It requires repentance and allegiance to Christ, yes?

And what happens when one fails to qualify for it is immersion in "fire" in Christ's presence, correct?

What am I missing?
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So if Jeffrey Dahmer and Ted Bundy Wayne Gacy and that weirdo that left his mothers corpse among 50 other tortured and murdered girls in his house are now in heaven? Because they repent their sins 5 minutes before they plugged the electric chair in?

And an Aboriginal, that saved lives of lost tourists in theOutback, or eskimos or Indians that never hurt a fly, or Indian kids that were grown up in Hinduism and never hurt anyone.

Will go to hell because they didnt know all that much about the historical figure of Jesus?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10858653



It's not based on deeds. Good or bad.
According to the Bible, mankind inherited sin because of Adam.
So as a way out, once you are born again you inherit Christ's righteousness.
To answer your question, yes if those murders repented and accepted, as their Lord and Savior, 5 min before they died or Christ came to them in a vision etc.. They would go to heaven. However, they would have missed out on a lifetime of purpose that God would have had for them, but again it's not based on deeds.
All those horrendous, evil, murderous acts have been judged in the body of Jesus Christ and if they accept Him then they get a clean slate.
Is it fair.. no? but it's also not fair that we would go to hell for Adam's sin which is why Christ gave us the gift of eternal life by dying on the cross.

I'm tired of people saying "Oh, how can some tribe in the middle of the congo know about jesus"
To that I say: how can you limit my God?
He's big enough to reach everyone on this planet and give them a chance to accept Christ.
Do you really believe he would go through the death of His son only to make the gift available to a fraction of the people created?
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Re: People don't go to hell for their sins..
After reading many NDE'S - BOTH KINDS - heaven and hell experiences It seems to me that the person is not sent to hell, it I is just that he is not taken to heaven, He is thus left behind and suffers the fate of whatever satans thugs and demons want to do to him. A terrible fate awaits them.
God's angels come for the righteous ones and they are transported to heaven.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50349274



I've looked at those to, but I don't know which are real or not.
In your beliefs, how is one ensured they are guaranteed a life in heaven?
 Quoting: gracebear


My beliefs are the same as yours. Salvation and heaven are assured upon acceptance of CHRIST's redeeming power.
I do believe, however, that many are insincere and if their life does not show it, then why would their experience be considered credible.Alot of ppl are swept along by the emotion of the moment and then put aside as life sweeps them along.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50349274


It's simple. There are two sides to the coin.
There is law and grace.
Christians under LAW will reflect that lifestyle that seems to be contrary to God because they are trying to achieve things based on their own efforts.
They believe in Christ and have accepted him, but aren't leaning on him fully.
They fall into sin, they feel guilty, "try to get right with God" and repeat the cycle.

Under GRACE, when they fall or stumble into sin, we remember that we have the gift of no condemnation and then we are empowered to go and sin no more because it is Christ working through us rather than our own efforts.
When you fail, that's when you hold on to the fact that you are still in RIGHT standing with God and there is now no condemnation. He will be there to dust you off and keep walking with you.
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Why do you always have to post ANON, instead of getting an account and being...well accountable, for what you preach yourself...
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applause2
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<----It's all good - see?
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Yes I see hf
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Well, if you want to be apart of another kingdom there's plenty of room.
A kingdom of Supply, eternal youth, healing, hope, and all things working out together for good. You're welcome to join hf
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oh grace you are so sweet to this forum.

Love this...
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blwkss Thanks, hope you're enjoying my humble thread. Lol I enjoy your input and everyone else's even if they don't agree at least it will spark some thought or plant a seed. hiding
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Suspect whatever you like, friend - I'm here posting truth every day with no other agenda than exhibiting Christ Jesus
 Quoting: MuadDib987


And yet you apparently don't understand what the gospel teaches as it clearly says about conditions about getting into the kingdom, redemption, and what happens when one fails to qualify for it.
 Quoting: Brightstarz


It requires repentance and allegiance to Christ, yes?

And what happens when one fails to qualify for it is immersion in "fire" in Christ's presence, correct?

What am I missing?
 Quoting: MuadDib987 (nli)


If you don't believe in him you are condemned already.
People think God is this man sitting on a throne just itching to catch people to sin so he can send them to hell. He knew man could never satisfy the sin debt. That's why he sent his Son in our place. It's a free gift. hf
The sin was inherited. There's no amount of good deeds that can bring you out of the place of sin.

John
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
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Suspect whatever you like, friend - I'm here posting truth every day with no other agenda than exhibiting Christ Jesus
 Quoting: MuadDib987


And yet you apparently don't understand what the gospel teaches as it clearly says about conditions about getting into the kingdom, redemption, and what happens when one fails to qualify for it.
 Quoting: Brightstarz


It requires repentance and allegiance to Christ, yes?

And what happens when one fails to qualify for it is immersion in "fire" in Christ's presence, correct?

What am I missing?
 Quoting: MuadDib987 (nli)


If you don't believe in him you are condemned already.
People think God is this man sitting on a throne just itching to catch people to sin so he can send them to hell. He knew man could never satisfy the sin debt. That's why he sent his Son in our place. It's a free gift. hf
The sin was inherited. There's no amount of good deeds that can bring you out of the place of sin.

John
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
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Yup. But don't sweat it - they'll be fine in the end.
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Re: People don't go to hell for their sins..
What is love? Is it simply strong feelings of attraction toward another person, or is it more than that?

The Bible tells us that “Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.” (1 John 4:7-9).

Here’s another question: Can a perfect, righteous God - who is love - also hate?

Yes, part of God’s goodness is that He also hates evil.

God hates evil deeds (Hosea 9:15), divorce (Malachi 2:16), and thinking evil & lying (Zechariah 8:17).

As sinners, our biggest problem is that God hates sin - He is good and we are not! His eyes are so pure that He cannot even look on wickedness (Habakkuk 1:13), and He commands that human beings, who are made in His image, hate evil & love good (Amos 5:15).

But we are born hating God & loving sin (Psalm 51:5), so we often call that which is evil good, & that which is good evil (Isaiah 5:20).

Jesus Christ says, “If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15), & He also commands that you “be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect” (Matthew 5:48).

To truly love God is to do what He has commanded you to do. But all have fallen short of His perfect standard of righteousness (Romans 3:23).

Furthermore, when we refuse to glorify God & be thankful to Him, He turns us over to our own sinful desires (Romans 1:18-32), making us depart even further from true love, which is loving what God says is good: righteousness & holiness.

But in an amazing display of God’s love, Isaiah writes that it pleased God to bruise Jesus Christ, His only Son, as He suffered & died on the cross (Isaiah 53:10).

How could it please a loving God to do this to His perfectly obedient Son?

Because at the cross, Jesus bore the sins of all those who would repent (turn away from sin), and believe in Him as their Savior. “Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.” (John 15:13).

This is exactly what Jesus did so that His people might have everlasting life and be given hearts that truly love Him and desire to do what He says is good.
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01/08/2014 08:57 AM
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Re: People don't go to hell for their sins..
You all know the difference between right and wrong despite your constant arguments. In fact, the more argument the more deception.

Just because so many "get away" with treating other humans like morons doesn't mean that God is a moron.

But you will carry on, won't you?





GLP