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Sandy Hook: 2nd look at Newtown's Josh Sugarmann--prolific anti-gun author who coined "assault weapon"

 
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Sandy Hook: 2nd look at Newtown's Josh Sugarmann--prolific anti-gun author who coined "assault weapon"
This has been covered here before, but we have learned a lot this year. As police reports emerge describing living shooters ducking into classrooms, gunmen taking teacher's cellphones, and as we hear with our own ears shots being fired long after 9:40, it may be time to take another look at Josh Sugarmann.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

If Sandy Hook was planned by a group of people, why Newtown? Isn't the town itself one of the biggest clues possible as to who chose it?

From a Sugarmann article:

""On television news, anchors refer to the school shootings as “unavoidable,” as if such mass shootings are the bastard children born of hurricanes and snowstorms."

-Josh Sugarmann, "Schoolgirls Executed In Their Own Classroom: America Shrugs," October, 2006

Over the years, researchers have untangled at least some of the knots tying President JFK's murder to his murderers. Just as in that crime, I don't expect to necessarily find individual names of those responsible, but we can at least get closer by always remembering to ask:

Cui bono? Who benefits?

And I would add, when the stakes are so very high, "Who benefits the most, at the highest levels?"

That level may not be all the way at the top, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't hit its ceiling at Adam Lanza.
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That's what I ask myself in any of these shootings, medical, and political situations. Who benefits? That usually gets you started on the right path. Great post!
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So was this meant to be some perfect storm of publicity--the worst massacre of American children in recent history just happens to take place in the hometown of one of the highest profile writers and advocates opposing gun violence?

I know this is all rather cynical conjecture, but it should probably be made, if only to rule it out. The man has been working hard, and loudly, against gun ownership for more years than Adam Lanza was alive.
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It's so bizarre; Sandy Hook has positioned me on the other side of the isle from so many people I would have formerly considered like-minded colleagues. Fellow liberal dems, maybe granola types, maybe even a few ex-military-turned-pacifist.

I started down the Sandy Hook road convinced that all people saying things that I myself say, were NRA shills. As far as I can tell, I'm now indistinguishable from an NRA shill, when it comes to certain topics.

I find that really odd. I'm sure that Sandy Hook was supposed to have the opposite effect, and it did for me, for a few brief weeks. Even though I felt a nagging dis-ease at the slick photos of victims, and the mind-bogglingly nonchalant speeches of some of the parents, I felt, immediately after Sandy Hook, a revulsion for semi-autos and for guns in general. I'm not exactly a gun-worshipper at heart anyway, but I'm not naive enough to think Americans should be stripped of them on principle. However, for a few weeks, I did feel such an anger over Sandy Hook that I was ready to go out and vote for any gun restriction measure anyone could come up with.

Man, has that changed. I really don't know if Sandy Hook will turn out to be a crime planned and committed in order to restrict gun ownership, or a crime that was simply capitalized on to accomplish the same thing. Either way, the effect has been to turn me against gun control, at least at a gut level. This gut feeling is based simply on a nagging suspicion that officials, both local and national, are not playing straight with the Sandy Hook story.

If Josh Sugarmann is on the up-and-up, I'm afraid he's become yet another innocent victim of those who would bend truth to serve their own cause. Their cause may even be just, or they may genuinely feel it is--but when they lie, invent information, suppress information, and start grasping at the oh-so-tempting powers leading toward a fascist state, the can turn even liberal dem softies like me into 2nd amendment supporters.
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Re: Sandy Hook: 2nd look at Newtown's Josh Sugarmann--prolific anti-gun author who coined "assault weapon"
You Sandy Hook thread denizens will likely be familiar with the infamous poster often referred to as Korea/Brazil (and I believe Holden).

I have come to think that this person is likely Robert Riversong, a very active internet user who has lots to say about EMT response...and gun control.

From a recent post:

"But no rights are absolute, and all rights are subject to reasonable restriction for the common good. Even the radical activist Supreme Court majority had to acknowledge that when they invented a new "right" to gun ownership for self-defense which the Founders rejected for the Constitution:

"Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose…Nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions on the commercial sale of arms." - District of Columbia v. Heller (2008)

In more than 200 gun control rulings since Heller, lower courts have affirmed the constitutionality of gun control."

[link to www.bloomberg.com]

It would be very interesting to look at Riversong's behavior overall post-Sandy Hook. The tie-ins are quite compelling. He is a strong gun control advocate who posts widely (to put it mildly) on the topic, and who also happens to be able to speak from experience (albeit rather vitriolically) on EMT procedure.

Though the above article is about gun control in Chicago in particular, I don't know if that's anything more than coincidental; however, the Joyce Foundation, to which many people tie Josh Sugarmann, via the Violence Policy Center, is located in Chicago:

"The Joyce Foundation: the anti-NRA
(Crain's) — Everyone knows the loudest champion of gun rights is the National Rifle Assn. of America. By both design and default, the leading opponent is almost a secret: Chicago's Joyce Foundation...Since 1993, the foundation has tapped its nearly $800-million endowment to funnel $54 million through more than 100 anti-gun grants to researchers at Harvard University, think tanks such as the Violence Policy Center in Washington, D.C....“After Columbine—it was so shocking—there was renewed interest in the gun-violence issue,” says Josh Sugarmann, executive director of the Violence Policy Center. “But like any other issue, they come in and they move on. Joyce is one of the few that's steadfastly remained engaged in the issue.”

At this moment, then, I'm very interested in connections between Riversong and Sugarmann. One guess would be that Sugarmann and company simply hire people like RR to comment ("guide public opinion," as they say in China) on relevant topics.
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Re: Sandy Hook: 2nd look at Newtown's Josh Sugarmann--prolific anti-gun author who coined "assault weapon"
You Sandy Hook thread denizens will likely be familiar with the infamous poster often referred to as Korea/Brazil (and I believe Holden).

I have come to think that this person is likely Robert Riversong, a very active internet user who has lots to say about EMT response...and gun control.

From a recent post:

"But no rights are absolute, and all rights are subject to reasonable restriction for the common good. Even the radical activist Supreme Court majority had to acknowledge that when they invented a new "right" to gun ownership for self-defense which the Founders rejected for the Constitution:

"Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose…Nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions on the commercial sale of arms." - District of Columbia v. Heller (2008)

In more than 200 gun control rulings since Heller, lower courts have affirmed the constitutionality of gun control."

[link to www.bloomberg.com]

It would be very interesting to look at Riversong's behavior overall post-Sandy Hook. The tie-ins are quite compelling. He is a strong gun control advocate who posts widely (to put it mildly) on the topic, and who also happens to be able to speak from experience (albeit rather vitriolically) on EMT procedure.

Though the above article is about gun control in Chicago in particular, I don't know if that's anything more than coincidental; however, the Joyce Foundation, to which many people tie Josh Sugarmann, via the Violence Policy Center, is located in Chicago:

"The Joyce Foundation: the anti-NRA
(Crain's) — Everyone knows the loudest champion of gun rights is the National Rifle Assn. of America. By both design and default, the leading opponent is almost a secret: Chicago's Joyce Foundation...Since 1993, the foundation has tapped its nearly $800-million endowment to funnel $54 million through more than 100 anti-gun grants to researchers at Harvard University, think tanks such as the Violence Policy Center in Washington, D.C....“After Columbine—it was so shocking—there was renewed interest in the gun-violence issue,” says Josh Sugarmann, executive director of the Violence Policy Center. “But like any other issue, they come in and they move on. Joyce is one of the few that's steadfastly remained engaged in the issue.”

At this moment, then, I'm very interested in connections between Riversong and Sugarmann. One guess would be that Sugarmann and company simply hire people like RR to comment ("guide public opinion," as they say in China) on relevant topics.
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BTW, I read the entire Stepford Wives thread and my conclusion is that "PlasMan" is a shill, a very sophisticated one who may have some background information on the case. But s/he made some key mistakes as tends to happen the more they blab.
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Re: Sandy Hook: 2nd look at Newtown's Josh Sugarmann--prolific anti-gun author who coined "assault weapon"
You Sandy Hook thread denizens will likely be familiar with the infamous poster often referred to as Korea/Brazil (and I believe Holden).

I have come to think that this person is likely Robert Riversong, a very active internet user who has lots to say about EMT response...and gun control.

From a recent post:

"But no rights are absolute, and all rights are subject to reasonable restriction for the common good. Even the radical activist Supreme Court majority had to acknowledge that when they invented a new "right" to gun ownership for self-defense which the Founders rejected for the Constitution:

"Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose…Nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions on the commercial sale of arms." - District of Columbia v. Heller (2008)

In more than 200 gun control rulings since Heller, lower courts have affirmed the constitutionality of gun control."

[link to www.bloomberg.com]

It would be very interesting to look at Riversong's behavior overall post-Sandy Hook. The tie-ins are quite compelling. He is a strong gun control advocate who posts widely (to put it mildly) on the topic, and who also happens to be able to speak from experience (albeit rather vitriolically) on EMT procedure.

Though the above article is about gun control in Chicago in particular, I don't know if that's anything more than coincidental; however, the Joyce Foundation, to which many people tie Josh Sugarmann, via the Violence Policy Center, is located in Chicago:

"The Joyce Foundation: the anti-NRA
(Crain's) — Everyone knows the loudest champion of gun rights is the National Rifle Assn. of America. By both design and default, the leading opponent is almost a secret: Chicago's Joyce Foundation...Since 1993, the foundation has tapped its nearly $800-million endowment to funnel $54 million through more than 100 anti-gun grants to researchers at Harvard University, think tanks such as the Violence Policy Center in Washington, D.C....“After Columbine—it was so shocking—there was renewed interest in the gun-violence issue,” says Josh Sugarmann, executive director of the Violence Policy Center. “But like any other issue, they come in and they move on. Joyce is one of the few that's steadfastly remained engaged in the issue.”

At this moment, then, I'm very interested in connections between Riversong and Sugarmann. One guess would be that Sugarmann and company simply hire people like RR to comment ("guide public opinion," as they say in China) on relevant topics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52849201


BTW, I read the entire Stepford Wives thread and my conclusion is that "PlasMan" is a shill, a very sophisticated one who may have some background information on the case. But s/he made some key mistakes as tends to happen the more they blab.
 Quoting: Stickywicket


Based on both Riversong's and PlasSox's wide-ranging topics, my thought is that there may be a pool of hired guns whose availability is privately advertised among people with PR needs.

For example--a big company or government office has damage control/PR needs, and is aware that any number of people are available to post on GLP, HuffPo, etc. They hire their choice of "pulicists," if you will, have them sign a draconian security agreement, and then give them a packet of information on that particular topic.
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This is pretty much how it's done in China. It's a fairly competitive vocation; if you have specialized skills (i.e. fluency in English, deep knowledge of a certain issue) you get paid far more than the young punks paid a small amount per post just to create noise and keep up the appearance of supporting this or that cause.

So, China, too, has its "screamers," and then it's higher-paid propagandists.
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52906921


Based on both Riversong's and PlasSox's wide-ranging topics, my thought is that there may be a pool of hired guns whose availability is privately advertised among people with PR needs.

For example--a big company or government office has damage control/PR needs, and is aware that any number of people are available to post on GLP, HuffPo, etc. They hire their choice of "pulicists," if you will, have them sign a draconian security agreement, and then give them a packet of information on that particular topic.


Er, sorry, "publicists," though I quite like the sound of pulicists.
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Re: Sandy Hook: 2nd look at Newtown's Josh Sugarmann--prolific anti-gun author who coined "assault weapon"
Wow - could that sign be any less fortunate? "We pledge to unload."

[link to www.courant.com]

I know what they meant, but at least where I come from, "unload" can mean emptying your gun alright, but via the barrel.

I don't mean to mock them - just think they need someone proofing the signage.





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