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Death With Dignity and why TPTB Promote Religion and Discourage Suicide

 
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Never said I was all-knowing. As an attorney and a devout Catholic, I can tell you that a healthy fear and respect for God is not only "all-wise" it beats your 401K plan any day of the week. Planning for ones future is quite prudent. Eternity is a very long time, my friend.
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I have this old book that says...
"Know ye not that ye are a temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man destroyeth the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, and such are ye."

1 Corinthians 3:16-17
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so everyone should have to live by it.
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already told you about being a partaker. The end where God is going to get them is after all you have done he will finish it. If you are so limp wristed as to drop it all on God you are punished with bondage until you grow a spine.
 Quoting: Kirk


Again with the religious delusions.

Many, many people do not buy into the sky-daddy lie.

And the fact that those who have swallowed it so enthusiastically are also so fervently opposed to people ending their own lives if they choose kind of lends credence that religious and secular power factions are in cahoots, creating a society that uses psychological and legal pressure to keep people alive to do the bidding of those in control, whether they would prefer death or not.
 Quoting: Em18966


there is a lot of false doctrine but the whole of the law under which all live is not do as thou wilt. Simple cause and effect. You don't have any need to believe in God to know suicide affects everyone around you. Someone is so pissed off they want to commit murder and so fucked up they do it to themselves. Not all suicides but far too many.
 Quoting: Kirk


But who are YOU or the state to tell someone that their pain is less important than they pain they may cause others by ending their life?

Don't you understand that some people simply can't stand this place and don't want to play the game anymore?

Why should they have to to placate the sensibilities of those around them??

9/10 times when someone kills themselves, suddenly everyone cares, wishes they could have done more, is all about drawing sympathy to themselves for their loss when they could have done more when the person was still alive but chose not to, could have cared more when the person was still alive but chose not to, or is again proving their selfishness by concentrating on their own pain rather than contemplating the extreme pain and suffering the person who committed suicide must have been living with to make such a choice.

The other 1/10 times, no amount of coddling, love, attention, intervention or caring could have made a difference. The soul who checked out simply wasn't made for this place.

To tell someone who is living a life that is nothing but pain (be it mental or physical) that they should have to keep suffering to prevent you and those around them from suffering a secondary form of pain from losing them is the epitome of human selfishness.

Who are YOU to tell anyone that YOUR perception of their life is more valid than their own???
 Quoting: Em18966

My argument is unchanged. What is this pain you would give your mother, your father, your sisters, your brother, your friends, their little ones. If you are in nonremedial pain but that is bullshit most of the time. Narcissistic act. It is what it is.
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You are incorrect.

Not everyone can kill themselves.

Many people try and fail, ending up in even worse conditions than before, being forcefully kept alive by so-called friends and family members despite the fact that they chose death.

Laws exist that allow people to be institutionalized and drugged against their will if they are determined to be a threat to themselves, whether they are of sound mind or not.

And who are you to determine why a mother gives birth?

You act like it's all glitter and butterflies - many millions of children are born simply to suffer. They are born because their mother lacked access to birth control and education. They are born so that their parents have someone to care for them in their old age, or to fulfill social obligations set forth by their culture.

I don't advocate people killing themselves.

I advocate that they should be entrusted with the right to know themselves and their limitations better than their government or random strangers.

I believe that the pain you feel when someone close to you kills themselves is a secondary kind of pain, and can come nowhere near the level of pain felt by people who are actually driven to take their own life.

Who are you, anonymous coward from Estonia, to proclaim that you know why people are sent to this earth and what they should do while they are here?

What kind of delusions are you harboring?

I have no such delusions.

I know full well that each person here is on their own journey, and that their journey can never be fully understood by anyone else. For that reason, no one other than the person living a life should be able to make the determination of whether or not it is worth living.

And if the world becomes or hypothetically became such and awful place that every person in it willingly chose a painless death to breathing another breath, then it would have to be a pretty horrendous place. Why should people be forced to exist in it just so humanity didn't go extinct? What kind of logic is that?

You are presuming that people are ignorant, that they are incapable of gauging their place in the world, of understanding their own feelings and making their own choices.

I disagree.
 Quoting: Em18966


Who are you? Encouraging Suicides and dont tell me you're not. We should be thankful that we get to live. The pain of losing a child is million times more painful than a person who is depressed and wants to kill himself. THis pain is definitely not sedcondary. It's a suffocating pain. When you lose something that is little part of you. What is like to lose a mother, this pain is nowhere near the pain of breaking up with wife or husband or having just depression. You don't know shit from a strawberry. People commit suicide because of stupid shit. Drugs frm psychiatrists make people kill themselves and there is even a warning label on these drugs.

Yes, people are stupid and can't make the right choice. You think child is born to become a murderer or a pedophile. Same shit you say that child is born to suffer. No one is born to suffer, we are born to live.

There is one truth, remember that.

You think no one has noticed your support for gays? Or your support of abortions and birth control, or your liberal bullshit? You're full of shit. This is who you are, liberal scumbag. Tell your stories to Obama, he'll support you.

People are ignorant and idiotic.

Good example is... you.
 Quoting: shyrlymyrly


I support CHOICE

I support FREEDOM

The right for each individual to live their life the way they see fit

Not the way that makes their mommy and daddy happy.
 Quoting: Em18966


Oh please, shut up. Are you 16 year old? I bet you are. Parents raised you up, fed you and your mother gave birth to you. YOU BETTER MAKE THEM HAPPY. Now I get the idea who you are, immature brat. When you grow up you'll get better idea how to treat your parents, until now you get zero respect.
 Quoting: shyrlymyrly


LOL

I'm an adult.

I'm even a parent.

YOU were the one who stated people should stay alive to spare their parents the pain of their death.

I disagree.

I think that we should create a society in which people are not compelled to choose death over living another day, or allow people to make that choice with impunity.

And I mean allow them to make the choice to end their life, allow them legal access to the means to do so and not lock them up in an institution and drug them out of their minds if they choose to act on their choice.

Saying somebody ALREADY has the freedom to choose suicide while knowing that if they do choose it the state can lock them up like a dog if they make that choice means that you know they don't have freedom.
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"Know ye not that ye are a temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man destroyeth the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, and such are ye."

1 Corinthians 3:16-17
 Quoting: javierruizleon


There is an intelligent response. Can't you articulate your own thoughts? Or do you simply regurgitate ancient (Doctored) literature?
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^^I added a little something in bold to make your very good statement even more accurate.



Excellent post OP!
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The concept of it being a sin to take one's life is sooo deeply conditioned in pretty much all walks of life.

If soul is eternal and life here on earth be just a blink of an eye - then the soul is wiser than we can ever be 'mindful' of, and if suicide was such a soulful sin, it would be impossible to achieve it as our soul governs us.
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Who are you? Encouraging Suicides and dont tell me you're not. We should be thankful that we get to live. The pain of losing a child is million times more painful than a person who is depressed and wants to kill himself. THis pain is definitely not sedcondary. It's a suffocating pain. When you lose something that is little part of you. What is like to lose a mother, this pain is nowhere near the pain of breaking up with wife or husband or having just depression. You don't know shit from a strawberry. People commit suicide because of stupid shit. Drugs frm psychiatrists make people kill themselves and there is even a warning label on these drugs.

Yes, people are stupid and can't make the right choice. You think child is born to become a murderer or a pedophile. Same shit you say that child is born to suffer. No one is born to suffer, we are born to live.

There is one truth, remember that.

You think no one has noticed your support for gays? Or your support of abortions and birth control, or your liberal bullshit? You're full of shit. This is who you are, liberal scumbag. Tell your stories to Obama, he'll support you.

People are ignorant and idiotic.

Good example is... you.
 Quoting: shyrlymyrly


I support CHOICE

I support FREEDOM

The right for each individual to live their life the way they see fit

Not the way that makes their mommy and daddy happy.
 Quoting: Em18966


Oh please, shut up. Are you 16 year old? I bet you are. Parents raised you up, fed you and your mother gave birth to you. YOU BETTER MAKE THEM HAPPY. Now I get the idea who you are, immature brat. When you grow up you'll get better idea how to treat your parents, until now you get zero respect.
 Quoting: shyrlymyrly


LOL

I'm an adult.

I'm even a parent.

YOU were the one who stated people should stay alive to spare their parents the pain of their death.

I disagree.

I think that we should create a society in which people are not compelled to choose death over living another day, or allow people to make that choice with impunity.

And I mean allow them to make the choice to end their life, allow them legal access to the means to do so and not lock them up in an institution and drug them out of their minds if they choose to act on their choice.

Saying somebody ALREADY has the freedom to choose suicide while knowing that if they do choose it the state can lock them up like a dog if they make that choice means that you know they don't have freedom.
 Quoting: Em18966


I'm sorry that your child has such a moronic mother. What if your child comes to you saying that he doesn't want to live and wants to kill himself? By your own logic you'd approve it and even assist him. Right? If he is miserable with such an idiot mother, then why not? Why he would give you any repsect? Why he should make you happy as a parent? By your own logic your child doesn't have to do anything for you. Your a mother and you say the losing of child is secondary. Either you're lying that you have a child or you are messed up in your head.
I'm a bibletard, sorry for the inconvenience.
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Some of you folks really need to ask yourself why you are so threatened by this.


From Oregon's Public Health Division:

"Some quick facts about the usage of Oregon's law in 2012:

77 people hastened their deaths under the Oregon law. This accounts for 0.2% of all deaths in Oregon.

The top three concerns people expressed to their doctors when requesting the medication were centered around wanting control over their final days.

Of the end-of-life concerns expressed, the least common was "financial implications of treatment." -

See more at: [link to www.deathwithdignity.org] "

Also, 97% of the people who chose DWD were already in hospice care.
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I support CHOICE

I support FREEDOM

The right for each individual to live their life the way they see fit

Not the way that makes their mommy and daddy happy.
 Quoting: Em18966


Oh please, shut up. Are you 16 year old? I bet you are. Parents raised you up, fed you and your mother gave birth to you. YOU BETTER MAKE THEM HAPPY. Now I get the idea who you are, immature brat. When you grow up you'll get better idea how to treat your parents, until now you get zero respect.
 Quoting: shyrlymyrly


LOL

I'm an adult.

I'm even a parent.

YOU were the one who stated people should stay alive to spare their parents the pain of their death.

I disagree.

I think that we should create a society in which people are not compelled to choose death over living another day, or allow people to make that choice with impunity.

And I mean allow them to make the choice to end their life, allow them legal access to the means to do so and not lock them up in an institution and drug them out of their minds if they choose to act on their choice.

Saying somebody ALREADY has the freedom to choose suicide while knowing that if they do choose it the state can lock them up like a dog if they make that choice means that you know they don't have freedom.
 Quoting: Em18966


I'm sorry that your child has such a moronic mother. What if your child comes to you saying that he doesn't want to live and wants to kill himself? By your own logic you'd approve it and even assist him. Right? If he is miserable with such an idiot mother, then why not? Why he would give you any repsect? Why he should make you happy as a parent? By your own logic your child doesn't have to do anything for you. Your a mother and you say the losing of child is secondary. Either you're lying that you have a child or you are messed up in your head.
 Quoting: shyrlymyrly


LOL.

My daughter is on her way to Harvard and is one of the happiest, most well liked people I know. My son is one of the brightest, most creative children I have ever met - popular, a favorite of his teachers and all of the adults in his life.

I have raised my children to know themselves, to follow their dreams, and to aspire to be happy, educated, well-rounded individuals. Happy in WHATEVER they choose - not to be my little clones, my little property.

They are their own people, and they are happy for being raised with my love and support.

They harbor no fears of imaginary sky daddies punishing them for not living up to my expectations or his imaginary ones.

My children don't live to make me happy, they live to be themselves and make themselves happy, and in their happiness I find my own.

I would hope my child would never be so miserable in this existence that they would choose death, but if they were suffering and wanted out that badly, I would certainly fight for their right to make that choice.

I would never condemn my children that I love to a life of unending suffering, misery and pain just so that I could have the pleasure of their company.

Why would you do that to someone you hated, let alone someone you love more than your own next breath?

I adore my children, I have given them every opportunity to be educated, happy, adored members of this global community.

Many children, however, aren't so lucky. They are raised in abuse and in fear and grow to have severe emotional issues and self loathing and hate every second of their life. Why should they have to exist to appease me or you?

Your logic is flawed.

But you have indicated that you are a believer in and faithful follower of a god that treats his own children like slaves, condemns them to hell for disobedience and would rather have their subjugation than their happiness. If this is what your worship, if this is your idea of a loving parent, then I certainly am in no way qualified to deal with your level of mental illness in a rational, sane way.

Condemning people to a life of suffering to appease your own desire to have them in your life is torture and wrong. You don't breathe their breath, hear their thoughts, feel their pain. You are in no position to tell them that your need for them to be here is more valid than their need to be here no longer.
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I support CHOICE

I support FREEDOM

The right for each individual to live their life the way they see fit

Not the way that makes their mommy and daddy happy.
 Quoting: Em18966


Oh please, shut up. Are you 16 year old? I bet you are. Parents raised you up, fed you and your mother gave birth to you. YOU BETTER MAKE THEM HAPPY. Now I get the idea who you are, immature brat. When you grow up you'll get better idea how to treat your parents, until now you get zero respect.
 Quoting: shyrlymyrly


LOL

I'm an adult.

I'm even a parent.

YOU were the one who stated people should stay alive to spare their parents the pain of their death.

I disagree.

I think that we should create a society in which people are not compelled to choose death over living another day, or allow people to make that choice with impunity.

And I mean allow them to make the choice to end their life, allow them legal access to the means to do so and not lock them up in an institution and drug them out of their minds if they choose to act on their choice.

Saying somebody ALREADY has the freedom to choose suicide while knowing that if they do choose it the state can lock them up like a dog if they make that choice means that you know they don't have freedom.
 Quoting: Em18966


I'm sorry that your child has such a moronic mother. What if your child comes to you saying that he doesn't want to live and wants to kill himself? By your own logic you'd approve it and even assist him. Right? If he is miserable with such an idiot mother, then why not? Why he would give you any repsect? Why he should make you happy as a parent? By your own logic your child doesn't have to do anything for you. Your a mother and you say the losing of child is secondary. Either you're lying that you have a child or you are messed up in your head.
 Quoting: shyrlymyrly


These people are already DYING. Please take a few seconds to learn what the Death with Dignity Act requires of the patient and the doctor.


"Patient eligibility:

•18 years of age or older
•Resident of Oregon
•Capable of making and communicating health care decisions for him/herself
•Diagnosed with a terminal illness that will lead to death within six months

Physician protocol:

•The attending physician must be licensed in the same state as the patient.
•The physician's diagnosis must include a terminal illness, with six months or less to live.
•The diagnosis must be certified by a consulting physician, who must also certify that the patient is mentally competent to make and communicate health care decisions.
•If either physician determines that the patient's judgment is impaired, the patient must be referred for a psychological examination.
•The attending physician must inform the patient of alternatives, including palliative care, hospice and pain management options.
•The attending physician must request that the patient notify their next-of-kin of the prescription request.

Patient request timeline:

•First oral request to physician
•15 day waiting period
•Second oral request to physician
•Written request to physician
•48 hour waiting period before picking up prescribed medications.
•Pick up prescribed medications from the pharmacy"
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Oh please, shut up. Are you 16 year old? I bet you are. Parents raised you up, fed you and your mother gave birth to you. YOU BETTER MAKE THEM HAPPY. Now I get the idea who you are, immature brat. When you grow up you'll get better idea how to treat your parents, until now you get zero respect.
 Quoting: shyrlymyrly


LOL

I'm an adult.

I'm even a parent.

YOU were the one who stated people should stay alive to spare their parents the pain of their death.

I disagree.

I think that we should create a society in which people are not compelled to choose death over living another day, or allow people to make that choice with impunity.

And I mean allow them to make the choice to end their life, allow them legal access to the means to do so and not lock them up in an institution and drug them out of their minds if they choose to act on their choice.

Saying somebody ALREADY has the freedom to choose suicide while knowing that if they do choose it the state can lock them up like a dog if they make that choice means that you know they don't have freedom.
 Quoting: Em18966


I'm sorry that your child has such a moronic mother. What if your child comes to you saying that he doesn't want to live and wants to kill himself? By your own logic you'd approve it and even assist him. Right? If he is miserable with such an idiot mother, then why not? Why he would give you any repsect? Why he should make you happy as a parent? By your own logic your child doesn't have to do anything for you. Your a mother and you say the losing of child is secondary. Either you're lying that you have a child or you are messed up in your head.
 Quoting: shyrlymyrly


These people are already DYING. Please take a few seconds to learn what the Death with Dignity Act requires of the patient and the doctor.


"Patient eligibility:

•18 years of age or older
•Resident of Oregon
•Capable of making and communicating health care decisions for him/herself
•Diagnosed with a terminal illness that will lead to death within six months

Physician protocol:

•The attending physician must be licensed in the same state as the patient.
•The physician's diagnosis must include a terminal illness, with six months or less to live.
•The diagnosis must be certified by a consulting physician, who must also certify that the patient is mentally competent to make and communicate health care decisions.
•If either physician determines that the patient's judgment is impaired, the patient must be referred for a psychological examination.
•The attending physician must inform the patient of alternatives, including palliative care, hospice and pain management options.
•The attending physician must request that the patient notify their next-of-kin of the prescription request.

Patient request timeline:

•First oral request to physician
•15 day waiting period
•Second oral request to physician
•Written request to physician
•48 hour waiting period before picking up prescribed medications.
•Pick up prescribed medications from the pharmacy"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52917629


In some countries in Europe, they started off this way, as to give dignity and relieve suffering. Now, newborns with disabilities are regularly getting euthanized, old people are pushed to the so called "death with dignity", and many people who are NOT terminally ill are voluntarily getting themselves euthanized.

The slippery slope is well greased.
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LOL

I'm an adult.

I'm even a parent.

YOU were the one who stated people should stay alive to spare their parents the pain of their death.

I disagree.

I think that we should create a society in which people are not compelled to choose death over living another day, or allow people to make that choice with impunity.

And I mean allow them to make the choice to end their life, allow them legal access to the means to do so and not lock them up in an institution and drug them out of their minds if they choose to act on their choice.

Saying somebody ALREADY has the freedom to choose suicide while knowing that if they do choose it the state can lock them up like a dog if they make that choice means that you know they don't have freedom.
 Quoting: Em18966


I'm sorry that your child has such a moronic mother. What if your child comes to you saying that he doesn't want to live and wants to kill himself? By your own logic you'd approve it and even assist him. Right? If he is miserable with such an idiot mother, then why not? Why he would give you any repsect? Why he should make you happy as a parent? By your own logic your child doesn't have to do anything for you. Your a mother and you say the losing of child is secondary. Either you're lying that you have a child or you are messed up in your head.
 Quoting: shyrlymyrly


These people are already DYING. Please take a few seconds to learn what the Death with Dignity Act requires of the patient and the doctor.


"Patient eligibility:

•18 years of age or older
•Resident of Oregon
•Capable of making and communicating health care decisions for him/herself
•Diagnosed with a terminal illness that will lead to death within six months

Physician protocol:

•The attending physician must be licensed in the same state as the patient.
•The physician's diagnosis must include a terminal illness, with six months or less to live.
•The diagnosis must be certified by a consulting physician, who must also certify that the patient is mentally competent to make and communicate health care decisions.
•If either physician determines that the patient's judgment is impaired, the patient must be referred for a psychological examination.
•The attending physician must inform the patient of alternatives, including palliative care, hospice and pain management options.
•The attending physician must request that the patient notify their next-of-kin of the prescription request.

Patient request timeline:

•First oral request to physician
•15 day waiting period
•Second oral request to physician
•Written request to physician
•48 hour waiting period before picking up prescribed medications.
•Pick up prescribed medications from the pharmacy"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52917629


In some countries in Europe, they started off this way, as to give dignity and relieve suffering. Now, newborns with disabilities are regularly getting euthanized, old people are pushed to the so called "death with dignity", and many people who are NOT terminally ill are voluntarily getting themselves euthanized.

The slippery slope is well greased.
 Quoting: tiger1


What business is it of yours if a random stranger chooses to be willingly euthanized?
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But who are YOU or the state to tell someone that their pain is less important than they pain they may cause others by ending their life?

Don't you understand that some people simply can't stand this place and don't want to play the game anymore?

Why should they have to to placate the sensibilities of those around them??

9/10 times when someone kills themselves, suddenly everyone cares, wishes they could have done more, is all about drawing sympathy to themselves for their loss when they could have done more when the person was still alive but chose not to, could have cared more when the person was still alive but chose not to, or is again proving their selfishness by concentrating on their own pain rather than contemplating the extreme pain and suffering the person who committed suicide must have been living with to make such a choice.

The other 1/10 times, no amount of coddling, love, attention, intervention or caring could have made a difference. The soul who checked out simply wasn't made for this place.

To tell someone who is living a life that is nothing but pain (be it mental or physical) that they should have to keep suffering to prevent you and those around them from suffering a secondary form of pain from losing them is the epitome of human selfishness.

Who are YOU to tell anyone that YOUR perception of their life is more valid than their own???
 Quoting: Em18966


Anyone can commit suicide, ANYONE. No one can stop the suicidal person. But the problem is not in pain that this person gets, but how the person perceives this pain. Your moral standards are so low and animalistic it's disgusting. We come to this Earth to learn. We come here to overcome our pain and difficulties. What if everyone just starts killing themselves because they are in a crappy situation? There would be no humans alive.

Everyone has their own problems. Some don't have arms and legs and still are happy and have families. Some get dumped and kill themselves. It is about perception. It is about overcoming difficulties. God gave us some difficulties in life so we can improve. Learning is difficult sometimes, but we improve by it. Work out is difficult and hard but we get fitter and healthier by it. We are made to create positive out of negative situations. Killing ourself is giving up. Mother gave birth to the children not to kill themselves. You say that the grief is a choice but it isn't. You should ask a mother who lost her child how she feels. Our emtions aren't our own choice, it's a natural occurence and when a loved one kills him/herself it causes pain. And the person who kills him/herself causes that pain on the loved ones.
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People with real problems are surprisingly resilient. It's the crybabies who always had it good that can't take it when things don't stay good. Pampered all their lives, then something goes wrong with their perfect world and they can't take it.
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What's it to you how a person was raised and how that contributes to their decision to end their life of not?

Perhaps the person you are belittling for not being strong enough needed just that one more criticism before they said "fuck it" and killed themselves.

It is the judgmental, hateful attitudes that prevail on this planet that drive most people who want out to want out in the first place.
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I remember when people had friends. Could cheer you up and give a listen. They can keep this grey new world.
Government is a body largely ungoverned.
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But who are YOU or the state to tell someone that their pain is less important than they pain they may cause others by ending their life?

Don't you understand that some people simply can't stand this place and don't want to play the game anymore?

Why should they have to to placate the sensibilities of those around them??

9/10 times when someone kills themselves, suddenly everyone cares, wishes they could have done more, is all about drawing sympathy to themselves for their loss when they could have done more when the person was still alive but chose not to, could have cared more when the person was still alive but chose not to, or is again proving their selfishness by concentrating on their own pain rather than contemplating the extreme pain and suffering the person who committed suicide must have been living with to make such a choice.

The other 1/10 times, no amount of coddling, love, attention, intervention or caring could have made a difference. The soul who checked out simply wasn't made for this place.

To tell someone who is living a life that is nothing but pain (be it mental or physical) that they should have to keep suffering to prevent you and those around them from suffering a secondary form of pain from losing them is the epitome of human selfishness.

Who are YOU to tell anyone that YOUR perception of their life is more valid than their own???
 Quoting: Em18966


Anyone can commit suicide, ANYONE. No one can stop the suicidal person. But the problem is not in pain that this person gets, but how the person perceives this pain. Your moral standards are so low and animalistic it's disgusting. We come to this Earth to learn. We come here to overcome our pain and difficulties. What if everyone just starts killing themselves because they are in a crappy situation? There would be no humans alive.

Everyone has their own problems. Some don't have arms and legs and still are happy and have families. Some get dumped and kill themselves. It is about perception. It is about overcoming difficulties. God gave us some difficulties in life so we can improve. Learning is difficult sometimes, but we improve by it. Work out is difficult and hard but we get fitter and healthier by it. We are made to create positive out of negative situations. Killing ourself is giving up. Mother gave birth to the children not to kill themselves. You say that the grief is a choice but it isn't. You should ask a mother who lost her child how she feels. Our emtions aren't our own choice, it's a natural occurence and when a loved one kills him/herself it causes pain. And the person who kills him/herself causes that pain on the loved ones.
 Quoting: shyrlymyrly
People with real problems are surprisingly resilient. It's the crybabies who always had it good that can't take it when things don't stay good. Pampered all their lives, then something goes wrong with their perfect world and they can't take it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1057865


This is the truth. People who have it worse are happier and stronger. I worked with several kids that were from foster care. They were so happy all the time. They were working and singing, sometimes it pissed me off, I didn't get why they were so happy all the time.
 Quoting: shyrlymyrly


Because God is the father of orphans. Forget where I read it.
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I'm sorry that your child has such a moronic mother. What if your child comes to you saying that he doesn't want to live and wants to kill himself? By your own logic you'd approve it and even assist him. Right? If he is miserable with such an idiot mother, then why not? Why he would give you any repsect? Why he should make you happy as a parent? By your own logic your child doesn't have to do anything for you. Your a mother and you say the losing of child is secondary. Either you're lying that you have a child or you are messed up in your head.
 Quoting: shyrlymyrly


These people are already DYING. Please take a few seconds to learn what the Death with Dignity Act requires of the patient and the doctor.


"Patient eligibility:

•18 years of age or older
•Resident of Oregon
•Capable of making and communicating health care decisions for him/herself
•Diagnosed with a terminal illness that will lead to death within six months

Physician protocol:

•The attending physician must be licensed in the same state as the patient.
•The physician's diagnosis must include a terminal illness, with six months or less to live.
•The diagnosis must be certified by a consulting physician, who must also certify that the patient is mentally competent to make and communicate health care decisions.
•If either physician determines that the patient's judgment is impaired, the patient must be referred for a psychological examination.
•The attending physician must inform the patient of alternatives, including palliative care, hospice and pain management options.
•The attending physician must request that the patient notify their next-of-kin of the prescription request.

Patient request timeline:

•First oral request to physician
•15 day waiting period
•Second oral request to physician
•Written request to physician
•48 hour waiting period before picking up prescribed medications.
•Pick up prescribed medications from the pharmacy"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52917629


In some countries in Europe, they started off this way, as to give dignity and relieve suffering. Now, newborns with disabilities are regularly getting euthanized, old people are pushed to the so called "death with dignity", and many people who are NOT terminally ill are voluntarily getting themselves euthanized.

The slippery slope is well greased.
 Quoting: tiger1


What business is it of yours if a random stranger chooses to be willingly euthanized?
 Quoting: Em18966


what business if they sleepwalk under a bus? But it is human to protect and you ask them to go against their nature with your need for approval. Suicide can be very private. It is easier to die than live so why not jump over the balcony rather than asking for blood on our hands demanding we push you?
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LOL

I'm an adult.

I'm even a parent.

YOU were the one who stated people should stay alive to spare their parents the pain of their death.

I disagree.

I think that we should create a society in which people are not compelled to choose death over living another day, or allow people to make that choice with impunity.

And I mean allow them to make the choice to end their life, allow them legal access to the means to do so and not lock them up in an institution and drug them out of their minds if they choose to act on their choice.

Saying somebody ALREADY has the freedom to choose suicide while knowing that if they do choose it the state can lock them up like a dog if they make that choice means that you know they don't have freedom.
 Quoting: Em18966


I'm sorry that your child has such a moronic mother. What if your child comes to you saying that he doesn't want to live and wants to kill himself? By your own logic you'd approve it and even assist him. Right? If he is miserable with such an idiot mother, then why not? Why he would give you any repsect? Why he should make you happy as a parent? By your own logic your child doesn't have to do anything for you. Your a mother and you say the losing of child is secondary. Either you're lying that you have a child or you are messed up in your head.
 Quoting: shyrlymyrly


These people are already DYING. Please take a few seconds to learn what the Death with Dignity Act requires of the patient and the doctor.


"Patient eligibility:

•18 years of age or older
•Resident of Oregon
•Capable of making and communicating health care decisions for him/herself
•Diagnosed with a terminal illness that will lead to death within six months

Physician protocol:

•The attending physician must be licensed in the same state as the patient.
•The physician's diagnosis must include a terminal illness, with six months or less to live.
•The diagnosis must be certified by a consulting physician, who must also certify that the patient is mentally competent to make and communicate health care decisions.
•If either physician determines that the patient's judgment is impaired, the patient must be referred for a psychological examination.
•The attending physician must inform the patient of alternatives, including palliative care, hospice and pain management options.
•The attending physician must request that the patient notify their next-of-kin of the prescription request.

Patient request timeline:

•First oral request to physician
•15 day waiting period
•Second oral request to physician
•Written request to physician
•48 hour waiting period before picking up prescribed medications.
•Pick up prescribed medications from the pharmacy"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52917629


In some countries in Europe, they started off this way, as to give dignity and relieve suffering. Now, newborns with disabilities are regularly getting euthanized, old people are pushed to the so called "death with dignity", and many people who are NOT terminally ill are voluntarily getting themselves euthanized.

The slippery slope is well greased.
 Quoting: tiger1


True, I see your concerns. But should the Constitution never have been written because our current lawmakers are now abusing it?
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I'm sorry that your child has such a moronic mother. What if your child comes to you saying that he doesn't want to live and wants to kill himself? By your own logic you'd approve it and even assist him. Right? If he is miserable with such an idiot mother, then why not? Why he would give you any repsect? Why he should make you happy as a parent? By your own logic your child doesn't have to do anything for you. Your a mother and you say the losing of child is secondary. Either you're lying that you have a child or you are messed up in your head.
 Quoting: shyrlymyrly


These people are already DYING. Please take a few seconds to learn what the Death with Dignity Act requires of the patient and the doctor.


"Patient eligibility:

•18 years of age or older
•Resident of Oregon
•Capable of making and communicating health care decisions for him/herself
•Diagnosed with a terminal illness that will lead to death within six months

Physician protocol:

•The attending physician must be licensed in the same state as the patient.
•The physician's diagnosis must include a terminal illness, with six months or less to live.
•The diagnosis must be certified by a consulting physician, who must also certify that the patient is mentally competent to make and communicate health care decisions.
•If either physician determines that the patient's judgment is impaired, the patient must be referred for a psychological examination.
•The attending physician must inform the patient of alternatives, including palliative care, hospice and pain management options.
•The attending physician must request that the patient notify their next-of-kin of the prescription request.

Patient request timeline:

•First oral request to physician
•15 day waiting period
•Second oral request to physician
•Written request to physician
•48 hour waiting period before picking up prescribed medications.
•Pick up prescribed medications from the pharmacy"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52917629


In some countries in Europe, they started off this way, as to give dignity and relieve suffering. Now, newborns with disabilities are regularly getting euthanized, old people are pushed to the so called "death with dignity", and many people who are NOT terminally ill are voluntarily getting themselves euthanized.

The slippery slope is well greased.
 Quoting: tiger1


What business is it of yours if a random stranger chooses to be willingly euthanized?
 Quoting: Em18966


Who are you to push the death of sick people and babies to fit your hellish agenda? In your sanitized world, only the perfect and those not an "inconvenience" to others have a right to live? This is your viewpoint, as expressed in all of your threads and posts. Hitler would have loved your mindset, as it was just like his. Mercy kill the sick, the disabled,the old, the unwanted babies, then the Jews, the Gypsies, the Christians, etc. Yeah, keep on going.
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I'm sorry that your child has such a moronic mother. What if your child comes to you saying that he doesn't want to live and wants to kill himself? By your own logic you'd approve it and even assist him. Right? If he is miserable with such an idiot mother, then why not? Why he would give you any repsect? Why he should make you happy as a parent? By your own logic your child doesn't have to do anything for you. Your a mother and you say the losing of child is secondary. Either you're lying that you have a child or you are messed up in your head.
 Quoting: shyrlymyrly


These people are already DYING. Please take a few seconds to learn what the Death with Dignity Act requires of the patient and the doctor.


"Patient eligibility:

•18 years of age or older
•Resident of Oregon
•Capable of making and communicating health care decisions for him/herself
•Diagnosed with a terminal illness that will lead to death within six months

Physician protocol:

•The attending physician must be licensed in the same state as the patient.
•The physician's diagnosis must include a terminal illness, with six months or less to live.
•The diagnosis must be certified by a consulting physician, who must also certify that the patient is mentally competent to make and communicate health care decisions.
•If either physician determines that the patient's judgment is impaired, the patient must be referred for a psychological examination.
•The attending physician must inform the patient of alternatives, including palliative care, hospice and pain management options.
•The attending physician must request that the patient notify their next-of-kin of the prescription request.

Patient request timeline:

•First oral request to physician
•15 day waiting period
•Second oral request to physician
•Written request to physician
•48 hour waiting period before picking up prescribed medications.
•Pick up prescribed medications from the pharmacy"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52917629


In some countries in Europe, they started off this way, as to give dignity and relieve suffering. Now, newborns with disabilities are regularly getting euthanized, old people are pushed to the so called "death with dignity", and many people who are NOT terminally ill are voluntarily getting themselves euthanized.

The slippery slope is well greased.
 Quoting: tiger1


True, I see your concerns. But should the Constitution never have been written because our current lawmakers are now abusing it?
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The Constitution is being abused by lawmakers because the people have now become sheeple. Our forefathers have to be spinning like tops in their graves over what is happening in our country today.
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These people are already DYING. Please take a few seconds to learn what the Death with Dignity Act requires of the patient and the doctor.


"Patient eligibility:

•18 years of age or older
•Resident of Oregon
•Capable of making and communicating health care decisions for him/herself
•Diagnosed with a terminal illness that will lead to death within six months

Physician protocol:

•The attending physician must be licensed in the same state as the patient.
•The physician's diagnosis must include a terminal illness, with six months or less to live.
•The diagnosis must be certified by a consulting physician, who must also certify that the patient is mentally competent to make and communicate health care decisions.
•If either physician determines that the patient's judgment is impaired, the patient must be referred for a psychological examination.
•The attending physician must inform the patient of alternatives, including palliative care, hospice and pain management options.
•The attending physician must request that the patient notify their next-of-kin of the prescription request.

Patient request timeline:

•First oral request to physician
•15 day waiting period
•Second oral request to physician
•Written request to physician
•48 hour waiting period before picking up prescribed medications.
•Pick up prescribed medications from the pharmacy"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52917629


In some countries in Europe, they started off this way, as to give dignity and relieve suffering. Now, newborns with disabilities are regularly getting euthanized, old people are pushed to the so called "death with dignity", and many people who are NOT terminally ill are voluntarily getting themselves euthanized.

The slippery slope is well greased.
 Quoting: tiger1


What business is it of yours if a random stranger chooses to be willingly euthanized?
 Quoting: Em18966


Who are you to push the death of sick people and babies to fit your hellish agenda? In your sanitized world, only the perfect and those not an "inconvenience" to others have a right to live? This is your viewpoint, as expressed in all of your threads and posts. Hitler would have loved your mindset, as it was just like his. Mercy kill the sick, the disabled,the old, the unwanted babies, then the Jews, the Gypsies, the Christians, etc. Yeah, keep on going.
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I will share a little story with you Tiger. It was explained to me the sin of rationalized murder places a wedge between you and God. Then the restrainer cannot help your sin sick life. Society then degenerates into "cleansing" and evil reigns oer the land. The one who wishes to murder themselves can easily do so without our blessings. It is a private matter between the 3 of them.
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In some countries in Europe, they started off this way, as to give dignity and relieve suffering. Now, newborns with disabilities are regularly getting euthanized, old people are pushed to the so called "death with dignity", and many people who are NOT terminally ill are voluntarily getting themselves euthanized.

The slippery slope is well greased.
 Quoting: tiger1


What business is it of yours if a random stranger chooses to be willingly euthanized?
 Quoting: Em18966


Who are you to push the death of sick people and babies to fit your hellish agenda? In your sanitized world, only the perfect and those not an "inconvenience" to others have a right to live? This is your viewpoint, as expressed in all of your threads and posts. Hitler would have loved your mindset, as it was just like his. Mercy kill the sick, the disabled,the old, the unwanted babies, then the Jews, the Gypsies, the Christians, etc. Yeah, keep on going.
 Quoting: tiger1

I will share a little story with you Tiger. It was explained to me the sin of rationalized murder places a wedge between you and God. Then the restrainer cannot help your sin sick life. Society then degenerates into "cleansing" and evil reigns oer the land. The one who wishes to murder themselves can easily do so without our blessings. It is a private matter between the 3 of them.
 Quoting: Kirk


We cannot stop people from killing themselves.
This has become the world where what was bad, is now good, and what was good, is now bad.
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Please get off your high horse - no one here is pushing anyone.

If you live in a society, which I think you do, you have some hard decisions to make. If you should have the misfortune to have a horribly deformed baby who will never have a healthy, happy life, then you go right ahead and keep it alive as long as YOU pay the massive bills to care for your own child. We are potentially talking millions of dollars over a lifetime. But if you want society to pay the bills for the rest of the child's life, you better think about the ethics of that demand.

Who are you to condemn those very ill babies to a miserable life anyway? Would you want to be in their shoes?

Why do Christians not seem to care about the deaths of 150 billion perfectly healthy animals that are slaughtered every year just for people to eat? In the natural world, the sickest of babies of all species are wisely left to die.

Have you never had a pet euthanized who was suffering and near death? Or did you leave them to suffer because you were afraid god wouldn't approve? I have and I loved him dearly.
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Sorry, I forgot to quote. My post above was directed at Tiger1.
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Thank you O.P

I agree completely. My Father is so ill. He is suffering so badly.
I want him to be able to escape when needed.

I want to be able to go if I am suffering at that level.

Death is nothing to fear. We do not really die.
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In your fathers case I certainly understand.

Before modern medicine this wouldn't even be an issue.

However, the OP is suggesting that suicide is non-grata because TPTB need workers/slaves.

Which is nonsensical, just like the suggesting that religion is about control rather than moral conceptions / ontological statements.
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moral conceptions, pertaining to controlling your immoral instincts? fail. It is control. Whether it gives you a hard-on or not is your bag. I believe all people have a conscience. No bible needed.
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"Know ye not that ye are a temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man destroyeth the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, and such are ye."

1 Corinthians 3:16-17
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There is an intelligent response. Can't you articulate your own thoughts? Or do you simply regurgitate ancient literature?
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I've got one. The operative word here is "destroy". If a man is so desperate that he would rather jump out of a window to end it--he didn't do the destroying; someone else did. People are holy; they are sacred. A man who would end it all? Has already been destroyed.
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Please get off your high horse - no one here is pushing anyone.

If you live in a society, which I think you do, you have some hard decisions to make. If you should have the misfortune to have a horribly deformed baby who will never have a healthy, happy life, then you go right ahead and keep it alive as long as YOU pay the massive bills to care for your own child. We are potentially talking millions of dollars over a lifetime. But if you want society to pay the bills for the rest of the child's life, you better think about the ethics of that demand.

Who are you to condemn those very ill babies to a miserable life anyway? Would you want to be in their shoes?

Why do Christians not seem to care about the deaths of 150 billion perfectly healthy animals that are slaughtered every year just for people to eat? In the natural world, the sickest of babies of all species are wisely left to die.

Have you never had a pet euthanized who was suffering and near death? Or did you leave them to suffer because you were afraid god wouldn't approve? I have and I loved him dearly.
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not if they want to live. I cannot murder them. It is a line which when crossed has never resulted in constructive good beyond the short term. Hitler helped the bottom line when he culled the herd. But if I disobey the law for compassion then it is easier the next times. Always results in a spiral. Thou shalt not kill.
Government is a body largely ungoverned.
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Some of you folks really need to ask yourself why you are so threatened by this.


From Oregon's Public Health Division:

"Some quick facts about the usage of Oregon's law in 2012:

77 people hastened their deaths under the Oregon law. This accounts for 0.2% of all deaths in Oregon.

The top three concerns people expressed to their doctors when requesting the medication were centered around wanting control over their final days.

Of the end-of-life concerns expressed, the least common was "financial implications of treatment." -

See more at: [link to www.deathwithdignity.org] "

Also, 97% of the people who chose DWD were already in hospice care.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52917629


The threat is that like everything else, the government "takes over" the decision making process.

It's like the gay agenda, once they got the masses desensitized to it, it becomes a tool to pass legistlation (like forcing sex ed on 5 year olds).

Morals and ethics exist to uphold and strengthen a society. When life is no longer sacred to us, tptb can do anything they want to us and we will shrug and change the channel.

OP claims religion is used by TPTB to control us. Maybe that was true at one time and in certain religions. At this point I see the opposite being true in this country. They are forcing religion out because religion tells us we're the intentional creation of a higher being. Evolution tells us were evolved from slime.

Which belief system makes us easier to control?

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Uhh do you live in retard bizzaro world OP? Religion is being attacked especially Christianity every single day, and they are trying to pass laws for assisted suicide.

Boy you must be mentally retarded.
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Please get off your high horse - no one here is pushing anyone.

If you live in a society, which I think you do, you have some hard decisions to make. If you should have the misfortune to have a horribly deformed baby who will never have a healthy, happy life, then you go right ahead and keep it alive as long as YOU pay the massive bills to care for your own child. We are potentially talking millions of dollars over a lifetime. But if you want society to pay the bills for the rest of the child's life, you better think about the ethics of that demand.

Who are you to condemn those very ill babies to a miserable life anyway? Would you want to be in their shoes?

Why do Christians not seem to care about the deaths of 150 billion perfectly healthy animals that are slaughtered every year just for people to eat? In the natural world, the sickest of babies of all species are wisely left to die.

Have you never had a pet euthanized who was suffering and near death? Or did you leave them to suffer because you were afraid god wouldn't approve? I have and I loved him dearly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52917629




I am a mother of 3 children, two of which were born with disabilities. They have a happy life, filled with love.
Yeah, my middle daughter fits your "horribly deformed" category. Her facial appearance before she had numerous surgeries, garnered nasty remarks from people like you. They called her a "little monster", and told me to keep her at home, because her face disturbed them.
As for the cost, Shriners did all the surgeries for free. Insurance covered most everything else.
Today she is a married mother of 2, with her and her husband expecting their 3rd child next month.
When there is life, there is hope.
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Please get off your high horse - no one here is pushing anyone.

If you live in a society, which I think you do, you have some hard decisions to make. If you should have the misfortune to have a horribly deformed baby who will never have a healthy, happy life, then you go right ahead and keep it alive as long as YOU pay the massive bills to care for your own child. We are potentially talking millions of dollars over a lifetime. But if you want society to pay the bills for the rest of the child's life, you better think about the ethics of that demand.

Who are you to condemn those very ill babies to a miserable life anyway? Would you want to be in their shoes?

Why do Christians not seem to care about the deaths of 150 billion perfectly healthy animals that are slaughtered every year just for people to eat? In the natural world, the sickest of babies of all species are wisely left to die.

Have you never had a pet euthanized who was suffering and near death? Or did you leave them to suffer because you were afraid god wouldn't approve? I have and I loved him dearly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52917629


not if they want to live. I cannot murder them. It is a line which when crossed has never resulted in constructive good beyond the short term. Hitler helped the bottom line when he culled the herd. But if I disobey the law for compassion then it is easier the next times. Always results in a spiral. Thou shalt not kill.
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I sure hope you don't eat meat then. Oh, but I suppose you meant thou shalt not kill Humans. Killing animals isn't really killing? Never mind the wholesale slaughter I mentioned above.

Some non-human primate species have at least the consciousness and abilities of 3- to 4-year-old humans. Are you up at arms when they are killed or abused, or are you just worried about 1-hour-old humans who are not viable beings?
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Please get off your high horse - no one here is pushing anyone.

If you live in a society, which I think you do, you have some hard decisions to make. If you should have the misfortune to have a horribly deformed baby who will never have a healthy, happy life, then you go right ahead and keep it alive as long as YOU pay the massive bills to care for your own child. We are potentially talking millions of dollars over a lifetime. But if you want society to pay the bills for the rest of the child's life, you better think about the ethics of that demand.

Who are you to condemn those very ill babies to a miserable life anyway? Would you want to be in their shoes?

Why do Christians not seem to care about the deaths of 150 billion perfectly healthy animals that are slaughtered every year just for people to eat? In the natural world, the sickest of babies of all species are wisely left to die.

Have you never had a pet euthanized who was suffering and near death? Or did you leave them to suffer because you were afraid god wouldn't approve? I have and I loved him dearly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52917629




I am a mother of 3 children, two of which were born with disabilities. They have a happy life, filled with love.
Yeah, my middle daughter fits your "horribly deformed" category. Her facial appearance before she had numerous surgeries, garnered nasty remarks from people like you. They called her a "little monster", and told me to keep her at home, because her face disturbed them.
As for the cost, Shriners did all the surgeries for free. Insurance covered most everything else.
Today she is a married mother of 2, with her and her husband expecting their 3rd child next month.
When there is life, there is hope.
 Quoting: tiger1


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Re: Death With Dignity and why TPTB Promote Religion and Discourage Suicide
Never said I was all-knowing. As an attorney and a devout Catholic, I can tell you that a healthy fear and respect for God is not only "all-wise" it beats your 401K plan any day of the week. Planning for ones future is quite prudent. Eternity is a very long time, my friend.
 Quoting: Bebe 13754185


Fixed it for ya

An anti human Catholic attorney. Hah does it get any better than that.

Yes the Creator is all wise.

The Creator is unknowable and does not live by man's rules and dogma. God is just a WORD.

I use the brain and the intuition that the Creator gave us that most people like you are afraid to realize.





GLP