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Death With Dignity and why TPTB Promote Religion and Discourage Suicide

 
tiger1

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I am a mother of 3 children, two of which were born with disabilities. They have a happy life, filled with love.
Yeah, my middle daughter fits your "horribly deformed" category. Her facial appearance before she had numerous surgeries, garnered nasty remarks from people like you. They called her a "little monster", and told me to keep her at home, because her face disturbed them.
As for the cost, Shriners did all the surgeries for free. Insurance covered most everything else.
Today she is a married mother of 2, with her and her husband expecting their 3rd child next month.
When there is life, there is hope.
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Congrats, your children were born as viable human beings capable of living an independent life and do not have the severest type of problems that I was talking about. I certainly was not referring to a "horrible deformity" as something that only affected appearance, but rather issues that were mentally and/or physically incapacitating.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52917629


Mental disorders that were considered "incapacitating" a hundred years ago are now successfully treated with medicines. Brain abnormalities that would have caused a person to live out their life in an institution even 50 years ago are now treatable.

You want to kill these children off when medical science is just getting to the point of understanding the brain?

And let's talk about Steven Hawking, shall we?
 Quoting: Frayed Knot


Please consider that I'm talking about very severe conditions that will necessitate the patient live in a bed at his parent's house for his entire life. I'm not talking about bipolar disorder or other illnesses that are not diagnosable at birth.

Stephen Hawking was born normal and did not have problems until he was a young adult. Not even relevant to this discussion.
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I am a retired Radio Talk Show Host. My former co-host was born severely disabled, no arms, hands attached directly to his shoulder, twisted, useless legs, confined to a wheelchair for his whole life, and some internal problems. Not only was he my co-host for 3 years of the many years I did the show, but he also was a college graduate,a Teacher, and lived on his own with a service dog.

My oldest daughter was born with mild spina bifida, and bilateral hip dysplasia. She is also Emotionally Handicapped, Learning Disabled, and ADHD, and has anxiety disorders. She will always have to have treatment and medication for her medical problems, and her developmental problems. She will always have to live with someone, or have very stringent supervision if we attempt to try to help her live on her own. I have made provisions with my youngest daughter, to supervise and handle her oldest sister's needs after I am gone. The youngest is quite competent. She is in her 2nd year of college, majoring in Accounting.
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01/15/2014 02:44 PM

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Stage 4 here.

My choices are simple.Cut,Burn,Poison.
I am refused pain control cause,I wont allow these choices to take place.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51721090


Have you been offered Hospice? Have you talked to your patient advocate about your pain control situation.
 Quoting: zenobiaphobia


Not so easy on the IHS system.

My type of cancer is slow moving and they more or less want their way.
I mentioned to the Doc that the CDC advised not to Cut,Burn Poison because, studies showed that the cancer would return with a 70% chance for different strains in the cancer family.


That was in 2007 and I haven't sought out side help since.
I will not burden humanity with my suffering for i know there are far more worse cases than I.

I do lots of research on herbs and helpful diets,plus, I live for those I love and that helps.
I'm not a happy saint with all the answers but,I'm still here as long as I can be independent that keeps me motivated.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51721090


I had a friend with terminal cancer. When diagnosed, it had already spread. The doctors told him he could live 4 months if he took chemo and radiation. He refused, also, and was refused pain meds by the doctors. He used cannabis oil, and lived for 1 year after diagnoses, 3 times as long as the doctors told him he had left, if he took the chemo and radiation.
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01/15/2014 07:53 PM
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Only you know how much you can take.
 Quoting: Em18966



There is no reason for any dying person to be in pain, other than we won't let them have available, time tested, effective drugs.
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01/15/2014 08:01 PM
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Only you know how much you can take.
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There is no reason for any dying person to be in pain, other than we won't let them have available, time tested, effective drugs.
 Quoting: zenobiaphobia


I agree.

Pain control is very different if you are a poor dying person and a rich dying person.

There is no reason for a dying person to be denied whatever dose of painkiller they need whenever they feel they need it - they're dying anyway, let them be in comfort if it's what they choose.

But there are different types of pain, and some can't be touched by drugs.
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01/15/2014 08:32 PM
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But there are different types of pain, and some can't be touched by drugs.
 Quoting: Em18966


That is a myth.

Even opoid resistant hyperalgesia pain can be controlled.


And poor people could easily obtain pain control if allowed free access to readily available herbs.

[link to www.foxnews.com]


The opium poppy, with its globe-shaped seed pod and beautiful flower petals, makes an impressive site, especially when there are thousands of flowering poppies all in one place. I have seen large fields of poppy in Morocco, and the sight is breathtaking. Woven deeply into various cultural histories, and critically valuable to the field of medicine, opium occupies a rare and important place in the human story.

TPTB don't promote religion. They cause drug shortages that drive people to despair

[link to www.nytimes.com]

Six countries — the United States, Canada, France, Germany, Britain and Australia — consume 79 percent of the world’s morphine, according to a 2005 estimate. The poor and middle-income countries where 80 percent of the world’s people live consumed only about 6 percent.

Some countries imported virtually none. “Even if the president gets cancer pain, he will get no analgesia,” said Willem Scholten, a World Health Organization official who studies the issue.
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But there are different types of pain, and some can't be touched by drugs.
 Quoting: Em18966


That is a myth.

Even opoid resistant hyperalgesia pain can be controlled.


And poor people could easily obtain pain control if allowed free access to readily available herbs.

[link to www.foxnews.com]


The opium poppy, with its globe-shaped seed pod and beautiful flower petals, makes an impressive site, especially when there are thousands of flowering poppies all in one place. I have seen large fields of poppy in Morocco, and the sight is breathtaking. Woven deeply into various cultural histories, and critically valuable to the field of medicine, opium occupies a rare and important place in the human story.
 Quoting: zenobiaphobia


Not all pain is physical.
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[Not all pain is physical.
 Quoting: Em18966


LSD works great for mood disorders...as do a wide variety of other banned substances.