Death With Dignity and why TPTB Promote Religion and Discourage Suicide

Never said I was all-knowing. As an attorney and a devout Catholic, I can tell you that a healthy fear and respect for God is not only "all-wise" it beats your 401K plan any day of the week. Planning for ones future is quite prudent. Eternity is a very long time, my friend.

I have this old book that says...


so everyone should have to live by it.

My argument is unchanged. What is this pain you would give your mother, your father, your sisters, your brother, your friends, their little ones. If you are in nonremedial pain but that is bullshit most of the time. Narcissistic act. It is what it is.

LOL

I'm an adult.

I'm even a parent.

YOU were the one who stated people should stay alive to spare their parents the pain of their death.

I disagree.

I think that we should create a society in which people are not compelled to choose death over living another day, or allow people to make that choice with impunity.

And I mean allow them to make the choice to end their life, allow them legal access to the means to do so and not lock them up in an institution and drug them out of their minds if they choose to act on their choice.

Saying somebody ALREADY has the freedom to choose suicide while knowing that if they do choose it the state can lock them up like a dog if they make that choice means that you know they don't have freedom.

^^I added a little something in bold to make your very good statement even more accurate.



Excellent post OP!
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The concept of it being a sin to take one's life is sooo deeply conditioned in pretty much all walks of life.

If soul is eternal and life here on earth be just a blink of an eye - then the soul is wiser than we can ever be 'mindful' of, and if suicide was such a soulful sin, it would be impossible to achieve it as our soul governs us.

I'm sorry that your child has such a moronic mother. What if your child comes to you saying that he doesn't want to live and wants to kill himself? By your own logic you'd approve it and even assist him. Right? If he is miserable with such an idiot mother, then why not? Why he would give you any repsect? Why he should make you happy as a parent? By your own logic your child doesn't have to do anything for you. Your a mother and you say the losing of child is secondary. Either you're lying that you have a child or you are messed up in your head.

Some of you folks really need to ask yourself why you are so threatened by this.


From Oregon's Public Health Division:

"Some quick facts about the usage of Oregon's law in 2012:

77 people hastened their deaths under the Oregon law. This accounts for 0.2% of all deaths in Oregon.

The top three concerns people expressed to their doctors when requesting the medication were centered around wanting control over their final days.

Of the end-of-life concerns expressed, the least common was "financial implications of treatment." -

See more at: [link to www.deathwithdignity.org] "

Also, 97% of the people who chose DWD were already in hospice care.

LOL.

My daughter is on her way to Harvard and is one of the happiest, most well liked people I know. My son is one of the brightest, most creative children I have ever met - popular, a favorite of his teachers and all of the adults in his life.

I have raised my children to know themselves, to follow their dreams, and to aspire to be happy, educated, well-rounded individuals. Happy in WHATEVER they choose - not to be my little clones, my little property.

They are their own people, and they are happy for being raised with my love and support.

They harbor no fears of imaginary sky daddies punishing them for not living up to my expectations or his imaginary ones.

My children don't live to make me happy, they live to be themselves and make themselves happy, and in their happiness I find my own.

I would hope my child would never be so miserable in this existence that they would choose death, but if they were suffering and wanted out that badly, I would certainly fight for their right to make that choice.

I would never condemn my children that I love to a life of unending suffering, misery and pain just so that I could have the pleasure of their company.

Why would you do that to someone you hated, let alone someone you love more than your own next breath?

I adore my children, I have given them every opportunity to be educated, happy, adored members of this global community.

Many children, however, aren't so lucky. They are raised in abuse and in fear and grow to have severe emotional issues and self loathing and hate every second of their life. Why should they have to exist to appease me or you?

Your logic is flawed.

But you have indicated that you are a believer in and faithful follower of a god that treats his own children like slaves, condemns them to hell for disobedience and would rather have their subjugation than their happiness. If this is what your worship, if this is your idea of a loving parent, then I certainly am in no way qualified to deal with your level of mental illness in a rational, sane way.

Condemning people to a life of suffering to appease your own desire to have them in your life is torture and wrong. You don't breathe their breath, hear their thoughts, feel their pain. You are in no position to tell them that your need for them to be here is more valid than their need to be here no longer.

These people are already DYING. Please take a few seconds to learn what the Death with Dignity Act requires of the patient and the doctor.


"Patient eligibility:

•18 years of age or older
•Resident of Oregon
•Capable of making and communicating health care decisions for him/herself
•Diagnosed with a terminal illness that will lead to death within six months

Physician protocol:

•The attending physician must be licensed in the same state as the patient.
•The physician's diagnosis must include a terminal illness, with six months or less to live.
•The diagnosis must be certified by a consulting physician, who must also certify that the patient is mentally competent to make and communicate health care decisions.
•If either physician determines that the patient's judgment is impaired, the patient must be referred for a psychological examination.
•The attending physician must inform the patient of alternatives, including palliative care, hospice and pain management options.
•The attending physician must request that the patient notify their next-of-kin of the prescription request.

Patient request timeline:

•First oral request to physician
•15 day waiting period
•Second oral request to physician
•Written request to physician
•48 hour waiting period before picking up prescribed medications.
•Pick up prescribed medications from the pharmacy"

In some countries in Europe, they started off this way, as to give dignity and relieve suffering. Now, newborns with disabilities are regularly getting euthanized, old people are pushed to the so called "death with dignity", and many people who are NOT terminally ill are voluntarily getting themselves euthanized.

The slippery slope is well greased.

What business is it of yours if a random stranger chooses to be willingly euthanized?

I remember when people had friends. Could cheer you up and give a listen. They can keep this grey new world.

Because God is the father of orphans. Forget where I read it.

what business if they sleepwalk under a bus? But it is human to protect and you ask them to go against their nature with your need for approval. Suicide can be very private. It is easier to die than live so why not jump over the balcony rather than asking for blood on our hands demanding we push you?

True, I see your concerns. But should the Constitution never have been written because our current lawmakers are now abusing it?

Who are you to push the death of sick people and babies to fit your hellish agenda? In your sanitized world, only the perfect and those not an "inconvenience" to others have a right to live? This is your viewpoint, as expressed in all of your threads and posts. Hitler would have loved your mindset, as it was just like his. Mercy kill the sick, the disabled,the old, the unwanted babies, then the Jews, the Gypsies, the Christians, etc. Yeah, keep on going.

The Constitution is being abused by lawmakers because the people have now become sheeple. Our forefathers have to be spinning like tops in their graves over what is happening in our country today.

I will share a little story with you Tiger. It was explained to me the sin of rationalized murder places a wedge between you and God. Then the restrainer cannot help your sin sick life. Society then degenerates into "cleansing" and evil reigns oer the land. The one who wishes to murder themselves can easily do so without our blessings. It is a private matter between the 3 of them.

We cannot stop people from killing themselves.
This has become the world where what was bad, is now good, and what was good, is now bad.

Please get off your high horse - no one here is pushing anyone.

If you live in a society, which I think you do, you have some hard decisions to make. If you should have the misfortune to have a horribly deformed baby who will never have a healthy, happy life, then you go right ahead and keep it alive as long as YOU pay the massive bills to care for your own child. We are potentially talking millions of dollars over a lifetime. But if you want society to pay the bills for the rest of the child's life, you better think about the ethics of that demand.

Who are you to condemn those very ill babies to a miserable life anyway? Would you want to be in their shoes?

Why do Christians not seem to care about the deaths of 150 billion perfectly healthy animals that are slaughtered every year just for people to eat? In the natural world, the sickest of babies of all species are wisely left to die.

Have you never had a pet euthanized who was suffering and near death? Or did you leave them to suffer because you were afraid god wouldn't approve? I have and I loved him dearly.

Sorry, I forgot to quote. My post above was directed at Tiger1.

moral conceptions, pertaining to controlling your immoral instincts? fail. It is control. Whether it gives you a hard-on or not is your bag. I believe all people have a conscience. No bible needed.

I've got one. The operative word here is "destroy". If a man is so desperate that he would rather jump out of a window to end it--he didn't do the destroying; someone else did. People are holy; they are sacred. A man who would end it all? Has already been destroyed.

not if they want to live. I cannot murder them. It is a line which when crossed has never resulted in constructive good beyond the short term. Hitler helped the bottom line when he culled the herd. But if I disobey the law for compassion then it is easier the next times. Always results in a spiral. Thou shalt not kill.

The threat is that like everything else, the government "takes over" the decision making process.

It's like the gay agenda, once they got the masses desensitized to it, it becomes a tool to pass legistlation (like forcing sex ed on 5 year olds).

Morals and ethics exist to uphold and strengthen a society. When life is no longer sacred to us, tptb can do anything they want to us and we will shrug and change the channel.

OP claims religion is used by TPTB to control us. Maybe that was true at one time and in certain religions. At this point I see the opposite being true in this country. They are forcing religion out because religion tells us we're the intentional creation of a higher being. Evolution tells us were evolved from slime.

Which belief system makes us easier to control?

Last Edited by Frayed Knot on 01/14/2014 10:59 PM

Uhh do you live in retard bizzaro world OP? Religion is being attacked especially Christianity every single day, and they are trying to pass laws for assisted suicide.

Boy you must be mentally retarded.

I am a mother of 3 children, two of which were born with disabilities. They have a happy life, filled with love.
Yeah, my middle daughter fits your "horribly deformed" category. Her facial appearance before she had numerous surgeries, garnered nasty remarks from people like you. They called her a "little monster", and told me to keep her at home, because her face disturbed them.
As for the cost, Shriners did all the surgeries for free. Insurance covered most everything else.
Today she is a married mother of 2, with her and her husband expecting their 3rd child next month.
When there is life, there is hope.

I sure hope you don't eat meat then. Oh, but I suppose you meant thou shalt not kill Humans. Killing animals isn't really killing? Never mind the wholesale slaughter I mentioned above.

Some non-human primate species have at least the consciousness and abilities of 3- to 4-year-old humans. Are you up at arms when they are killed or abused, or are you just worried about 1-hour-old humans who are not viable beings?

Fixed it for ya

An anti human Catholic attorney. Hah does it get any better than that.

Yes the Creator is all wise.

The Creator is unknowable and does not live by man's rules and dogma. God is just a WORD.

I use the brain and the intuition that the Creator gave us that most people like you are afraid to realize.