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Elohim: Singular or plural?

 
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Elohim: Singular or plural?
I already have my own opinion of this. I think that it has to be plural.

"Let us make man in our image."

This, coupled with all of the ancients texts, cities, and artifacts from Sumeria, Egypt, India, and on and on.

Then there's the whole missing link. SOMETHING jump started us in bug way. We go from spear chuckers to city builders almost overnight.

And what about the crazy astronomical knowledge. They knew the solar system better than we did until the 20th century.

We had to have been helped and I think that's what the elohim are.

Any thoughts on this?

peace

Sorry if this seemed terse... I'm using my tablet and typing on it blows.

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Re: Elohim: Singular or plural?
I'm not saying it's this

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plural
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Christians will say it's God speaking to Jesus.
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plural
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It doesn't require an opinion. Elohim is PLURAL. It's not a debate.
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It doesn't require an opinion. Elohim is PLURAL. It's not a debate.
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That's not actually true. There are multiple words in Hebrew that end with the "im" ending that are not plural. Chai'im means life, mayi'im means water, shamayi'im means sky/heavens. That's just off the top of my head. The idea of plurality in ancient Hebrew is slightly different than ours, obviously, and if you look at those three words they are all things that are intangible - things that could be seen as being in many parts, or no parts at all, depending upon how you look at it. You put water in two glasses, then pour both into one big glass. Has it ever been separate?
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It doesn't require an opinion. Elohim is PLURAL. It's not a debate.
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That's not actually true. There are multiple words in Hebrew that end with the "im" ending that are not plural. Chai'im means life, mayi'im means water, shamayi'im means sky/heavens. That's just off the top of my head. The idea of plurality in ancient Hebrew is slightly different than ours, obviously, and if you look at those three words they are all things that are intangible - things that could be seen as being in many parts, or no parts at all, depending upon how you look at it. You put water in two glasses, then pour both into one big glass. Has it ever been separate?
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Re: Elohim: Singular or plural?
Not throwing stones here but I know many Christians that are convinced it's singular and means 'old man in beard wearing a white robe.'

It's actually a bone of contention with many. Any Christians care to weigh in on this?

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Neither, I think it's more like incomprehensible. We do not have the ability to fathom, at least not with our finite minds, infinity, and we certainly don't have the capability of putting it into words.

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Neither, I think it's more like incomprehensible. We do not have the ability to fathom, at least not with our finite minds, infinity, and we certainly don't have the capability of putting it into words.
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Good point.
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Re: Elohim: Singular or plural?
Elohim, can be both, singular, and plural, both at the same time... but, there's a whole lot more to it than that...

Kinda lazy... to talk about it now... lol, already typed a whole lot in the last few, couple of days...

I'm so lazy now, lol.

But there is much to be said about this subject... that's a fact of life.
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Elohim, can be both, singular, and plural, both at the same time... but, there's a whole lot more to it than that...

Kinda lazy... to talk about it now... lol, already typed a whole lot in the last few, couple of days...

I'm so lazy now, lol.

But there is much to be said about this subject... that's a fact of life.
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Yep, that is what it is, it is a matter of how it is used. Just as the word for lord, it is both Majestic and relates to God the other does not, it is more about a lead over other men.
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Eloha is singular


Elohim is plural
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The word can just mean singular and plural.
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Eloha is singular


Elohim is plural
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Oh wait... really? Nvm then.
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Eloha is singular


Elohim is plural
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Is "Mai" singular for mai'im? Is "chai" singular for "chai'im" is shama singular for "Shamaim"?
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Re: Elohim: Singular or plural?
I already have my own opinion of this. I think that it has to be plural.

"Let us make man in our image."

This, coupled with all of the ancients texts, cities, and artifacts from Sumeria, Egypt, India, and on and on.

Then there's the whole missing link. SOMETHING jump started us in bug way. We go from spear chuckers to city builders almost overnight.

And what about the crazy astronomical knowledge. They knew the solar system better than we did until the 20th century.

We had to have been helped and I think that's what the elohim are.

Any thoughts on this?

peace

Sorry if this seemed terse... I'm using my tablet and typing on it blows.
 Quoting: digitalFoo


Elohim are traditional (Yahweh) greys. Good guys too. Note I'm talking about certain greys, there are different ones.

I could tell you why people think they're either angels or demons but I'm sure you can figure it out based on the attributes ascribed to either. The elohim are just a bunch of alien dudes trying to live their lives and prevent humans from blowing themselves and them to kingdom come because someone pissed in someone elses cornflakes.

I consider myself part of their "tribe" as do most that know them. They're like family to me.
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Re: Elohim: Singular or plural?
plural. the root word of it is ram, meaning strength. somewhere along the line it seems a hostile takeover occurred and the word god was switched to jehovah, the root word being to covet, to lust after. the name jesus is a spin off of that.
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Early Judiasm was Polythiestic. Yahweh, who we call God today, was the lowly storm god. It wasn't until his was elevated cult in 500BC that Judiasm became Monothiestic. Elohim, Baal, Asherah, Yahweh, Adonai. Hebrews had so many gods before the babylonian exile. Yahweh apparently spoke too Moses in the bush but Elohim sent Yahweh accordint to scripture.


It was the influence of Zoroastrianism in Babylon that made them Monothiestic
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So In essence we are all children of Zoroastrianism. And too a lesser extent Atenism a thousand years before it (which probably was the origin of the exodus story)
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Before anybody calls me a shill or quotes the bible remember i study this for a living. Jews worshipping one god did not happen till about 500 years before Jesus, they evolved to get that way. Joseph, Moses, Elijah, Solomon all the prophets of old worshipped multiple gods and in this era human sacrifice was common. Christianity evolved from this.
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To answer this, maybe we should look at the verbs, and not focus only on the name. Is it "Elohim is doing such and such" or "Elohim are doing such and such"?
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It doesn't require an opinion. Elohim is PLURAL. It's not a debate.
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That's not actually true. There are multiple words in Hebrew that end with the "im" ending that are not plural. Chai'im means life, mayi'im means water, shamayi'im means sky/heavens. That's just off the top of my head. The idea of plurality in ancient Hebrew is slightly different than ours, obviously, and if you look at those three words they are all things that are intangible - things that could be seen as being in many parts, or no parts at all, depending upon how you look at it. You put water in two glasses, then pour both into one big glass. Has it ever been separate?
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Eloah / Elohim
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So In essence we are all children of Zoroastrianism. And too a lesser extent Atenism a thousand years before it (which probably was the origin of the exodus story)
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Yes I believe also, that Akhenatens exile was base for the Exodus. Moses was a follower of Akhnaten or it was Akhnaten himself.
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So In essence we are all children of Zoroastrianism. And too a lesser extent Atenism a thousand years before it (which probably was the origin of the exodus story)
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Yes I believe also, that Akhenatens exile was base for the Exodus. Moses was a follower of Akhnaten or it was Akhnaten himself.
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So In essence we are all children of Zoroastrianism. And too a lesser extent Atenism a thousand years before it (which probably was the origin of the exodus story)
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Yes I believe also, that Akhenatens exile was base for the Exodus. Moses was a follower of Akhnaten or it was Akhnaten himself.
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For sure. Actually Moses was probably Tuthmoses, Viceroy of Kush, whom Akhenaten sent to put down an uprising in Nubia in his 7th year at Amarna. This lines up perfectly to Artapanus.


[link to proofthatakhenatenwasthepharaohoft.blogspot.com]


The actually exodus likely happened during Horemhebs riegn a decade later, when the Aten was outlawed and its followers stripped of citizenship. Any mention of Akhenaten was punishable by death.
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Re: Elohim: Singular or plural?
It all depends on the sentence in which it's found and the surrounding grammar and context.

We have words like this in English.

If I say "sheep", by itself you can't tell if I am referring to one sheep or more than one sheep.

I need to put it in a sentence where the grammar tells you what is meant.

"The sheep is lost" refers to ONE sheep since "is" = a singular verb form.

"The sheep are lost" refers to more than one sheep because the verb form is plural.



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And the LORD said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."
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And the LORD said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."

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