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Sandy Hook: Did Halstead/Cox hide silently for several minutes before calling 911?

 
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Sandy Hook: Did Halstead/Cox hide silently for several minutes before calling 911?
I wouldn't blame them one bit - but how do we know they called 911 right away?

These are the same two who hid silently for hours in the school even as cops right outside their door used the office for a command center.

Again - I don't blame them one bit. But I am wondering how much time elapsed between the time Halstead saw a man enter the school, the time shooting began, and the time 911 was dialed.

Is that our time discrepancy? Is it possible there *weren't* 911 calls yet because no one was shooting, i.e. the man (one of a team perhaps) walked into the school and only *later* started shooting?

Is that why Rousseau's kids still had their backpacks on?

In order for Rousseau's children to have backpacks on, either multiple children would have had to arrive late (and at the same time), or:

1. First man enters Rousseau's room around 9:05 and herds children into one area of room (seems corroborated by fact children were in one area)

2. Second man may have entered with first, readying himself to burst into Soto's room at appointed start time

3. Third man walks in in front of Halstead around 9:31, and is seen by exiting mom

4. At appointed time (9:32?) all shooters begin shooting; the man Halstead hears is the man running up and down the halls providing distraction fire, not the ones in the classrooms; at some point this man shoots out front glass from inside building

5. Halstead and Cox don't call 911 for several minutes, fearing they might be heard by this "running shooting man"

This explains several things, including:

1. Why Rousseau's children have backpacks on
2. Why Rousseau's children are concentrated into one area
3. Why Soto's children hear nothing until shooting begins
4. Why Halstead doesn't say anything about glass being shot out
5. Why death count can be so high (shooters have time to maneuver children in Rousseau's room into a concentrated area ahead of time)
6. Why death count in Soto's room is so drastically different from Rousseau's (children are not pre-concentrated)
7. Why so many people report gunshots "right outside the classroom door" being the first thing they hear
8. Why Soto's kids report shooter "kicking in the door" (he would have done this through a side door at 9:32 as shooting began)
9. How so many people are killed in such a short period of time
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Re: Sandy Hook: Did Halstead/Cox hide silently for several minutes before calling 911?
I realize this encompasses multiple issues; i.e., Halstead/Cox hiding for several minutes before calling 911 is not by any means the entire reason for the high death count. That was mostly achieved by several shooters arriving calmly with the other gingerbread fathers, unnoticed, i.e. lax visitor policies, which are totally understandable under the circumstances.

In fact, isn't it possible to suggest that the entire reason for choosing 12/14 was foreknowledge of the gingerbread event and the ensuing laxness that would be expected as far as visitors that day?
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Re: Sandy Hook: Did Halstead/Cox hide silently for several minutes before calling 911?
I realize this encompasses multiple issues; i.e., Halstead/Cox hiding for several minutes before calling 911 is not by any means the entire reason for the high death count. That was mostly achieved by several shooters arriving calmly with the other gingerbread fathers, unnoticed, i.e. lax visitor policies, which are totally understandable under the circumstances.

In fact, isn't it possible to suggest that the entire reason for choosing 12/14 was foreknowledge of the gingerbread event and the ensuing laxness that would be expected as far as visitors that day?
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So....the doors were open?
Is there a chance we could get some honesty up in here?
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Re: Sandy Hook: Did Halstead/Cox hide silently for several minutes before calling 911?
I realize this encompasses multiple issues; i.e., Halstead/Cox hiding for several minutes before calling 911 is not by any means the entire reason for the high death count. That was mostly achieved by several shooters arriving calmly with the other gingerbread fathers, unnoticed, i.e. lax visitor policies, which are totally understandable under the circumstances.

In fact, isn't it possible to suggest that the entire reason for choosing 12/14 was foreknowledge of the gingerbread event and the ensuing laxness that would be expected as far as visitors that day?
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So....the doors were open?
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I think there's a very good chance they were.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Did Halstead/Cox hide silently for several minutes before calling 911?
I realize this encompasses multiple issues; i.e., Halstead/Cox hiding for several minutes before calling 911 is not by any means the entire reason for the high death count. That was mostly achieved by several shooters arriving calmly with the other gingerbread fathers, unnoticed, i.e. lax visitor policies, which are totally understandable under the circumstances.

In fact, isn't it possible to suggest that the entire reason for choosing 12/14 was foreknowledge of the gingerbread event and the ensuing laxness that would be expected as far as visitors that day?
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So....the doors were open?
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I think there's a very good chance they were.
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Unlocked, that is.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Did Halstead/Cox hide silently for several minutes before calling 911?
That changes everything.

Think about it. Sibley and everyone else talking about needing to be buzzed in.

They are all covering for the fact the doors were open

Last Edited by Dudeashaneo on 01/26/2014 11:17 PM
Is there a chance we could get some honesty up in here?
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Re: Sandy Hook: Did Halstead/Cox hide silently for several minutes before calling 911?
Fred asked this question even more simply: why did people wait several (three?) minutes to call 911?

Or are we asking the wrong question: are there earlier 911 calls that are missing?
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Re: Sandy Hook: Did Halstead/Cox hide silently for several minutes before calling 911?
Even just a handful of earlier calls would be excruciatingly embarrassing, especially depending on how many minutes passed before one was finally found and transferred to Newtown.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Did Halstead/Cox hide silently for several minutes before calling 911?
That changes everything.

Think about it. Sibley and everyone else talking about needing to be buzzed in.

They are all covering for the fact the doors were open
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Yeah, I always thought all the "you have to be buzzed in" stuff that erupted immediately in the media sounded forced.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Did Halstead/Cox hide silently for several minutes before calling 911?
That changes everything.

Think about it. Sibley and everyone else talking about needing to be buzzed in.

They are all covering for the fact the doors were open
 Quoting: Dudeashaneo


Yeah, I always thought all the "you have to be buzzed in" stuff that erupted immediately in the media sounded forced.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36982324


Also, unless I'm understanding the buzzer placement wrong, anyone standing at the front that morning to be buzzed in would have to be standing on broken glass, not just seeing it.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Did Halstead/Cox hide silently for several minutes before calling 911?
That changes everything.

Think about it. Sibley and everyone else talking about needing to be buzzed in.

They are all covering for the fact the doors were open
 Quoting: Dudeashaneo


Yeah, I always thought all the "you have to be buzzed in" stuff that erupted immediately in the media sounded forced.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36982324


Also, unless I'm understanding the buzzer placement wrong, anyone standing at the front that morning to be buzzed in would have to be standing on broken glass, not just seeing it.
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I always thought that was complete BS as well. Take at face value Sibley's contention that she walked to the school and noticed the car with the doors open and other things. That is a good 85 pace venture if she is in the second row of cars. Unless she had her head straight down... she would have notice the other mom standing there right away, she would have noticed the big ass hole in the glass and not wonder where all the broken glass came from and would have called the other mom a moron for waiting to be buzzed in.

All the interviews were very adamant with telling everyone you had to be buzzed in no matter what the topic was. Eventually they made sure they touched on that. It was apparent this would be a problem.

I still contend the doors needed to be manually locked. Who locked them?
Is there a chance we could get some honesty up in here?
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Re: Sandy Hook: Did Halstead/Cox hide silently for several minutes before calling 911?
in the "official" timeline. Halstead is the first to call... and dont forget the shooter visited the office... so maybe she prefer to hide under desk without calling... seems normal.

What is for me less understandable is in room 9. full of teachers and parent plus Nathalie Hammond, injured, and who witness the shooter. They wait 9:38 to call 911.
what did they do those minimum 2 minutes?
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Re: Sandy Hook: Did Halstead/Cox hide silently for several minutes before calling 911?
That changes everything.

Think about it. Sibley and everyone else talking about needing to be buzzed in.

They are all covering for the fact the doors were open
 Quoting: Dudeashaneo


Yeah, I always thought all the "you have to be buzzed in" stuff that erupted immediately in the media sounded forced.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36982324


Just a thought... Could the harping on “being buzzed in” throughout this story be because the government wanted more control over schools. After 9/11 there was more security put in place, but teachers union was putting up a stink about teachers having to sign in and sign out everytime they left the building as it violated contracts. After this, signing on and having key cards to even enter the building became the norm. Now they know everything they wanted to know and got around unions and contracts. And each and every “event” that happened after this allowed for more security to be put in place where now schools are locked down like Fort Knox. Wonder who in the government has connections to the security firms that got all these contracts??
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Re: Sandy Hook: Did Halstead/Cox hide silently for several minutes before calling 911?
Too many holes in the entire incident...either its fake or very much tainted. Not buying some autistic kid shot all kids..sorry. what incident has professor and a guy writing a book on it. People know its odd the story.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Did Halstead/Cox hide silently for several minutes before calling 911?
GSW to the arm + deceased = all you need to know.





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