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Alabama snow impact by the numbers--5 Dead, 23 injured on roads and 3500 students sheltered at school

 
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Massive pileup on I-65.

One of the worst I have ever seen. Goes on and on.
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massachusetts here, welcome to winter, now do that all winter long from december till the end of march!
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Thanks for your input. Now go back to your miserable life.

I just don't get you "winter warriors" who feel the need to chime in on these threads.

Whatever makes you feel better living in that shithole of Massachusettes.
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Massholes.

Colorado here, we live the winter from Sept to May at 8300ft.

Best snow on earth.

Ski life rules!
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More like October through May and that's not as long as it is here in the Northeast so stop talking Colohole!!!!
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The NE is lame. I've been in snow and ice storms from manitoba to texas and the south gets it the worst. Period.
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The NE is lame. I've been in snow and ice storms from manitoba to texas and the south gets it the worst. Period.
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Actually the NE does cause once a storm hits the Atlantic...BOOM it's turns into a monster and what u guys get r seeds of the storm so really I think your definition of worse is 2-4 inches of snow and .2 inches of ice!
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My definition of worse is by overall experience. Slush on ice with street tires and bad management.

I've had a car buried overnight in canada and a 4x4 frozen to the ground in a garage at -40.

Also been in NE blizzards, they really are tame.
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Have no idea on temp. 20?
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Yes, I checked and it's 18º now and will go down to 15º so I hope water mains will be OK as they are not buried that deeply that far south.
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I really don't think we southerners are as vulnerable to cold weather as others might think. I remember a winter morning in 1984 when I awoke in my Georgia home near Rome, GA and noted that it was fifteen degrees below zero F. There were plenty of bursted pipes in homes, but no frozen water mains.
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I was just wondering when someone was gonna put something up about the Great Blizzard of 2014. It wasn't so much the weather that was the problem. It was the forecast. NWS really screwed the pooch on this one, and kids all across central Alabama had to spend the night at school. Took me 2 hours to drive 4 miles home from the office yesterday, and I thought we might have to get out and walk at one point. Still, hell of a lot better than all those folks who had to sleep in their cars. Everybody okay at your house, BB?
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Not they didn't. My Alabama route employee called me first thing Monday AM to let me know he wasn't working until Friday because of the weather forecast - he didn't want to be out on the roads. He knew. Anyone who got stuck is an idiot.
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I was just wondering when someone was gonna put something up about the Great Blizzard of 2014. It wasn't so much the weather that was the problem. It was the forecast. NWS really screwed the pooch on this one, and kids all across central Alabama had to spend the night at school. Took me 2 hours to drive 4 miles home from the office yesterday, and I thought we might have to get out and walk at one point. Still, hell of a lot better than all those folks who had to sleep in their cars. Everybody okay at your house, BB?
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Not they didn't. My Alabama route employee called me first thing Monday AM to let me know he wasn't working until Friday because of the weather forecast - he didn't want to be out on the roads. He knew. Anyone who got stuck is an idiot.
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[link to www.waff.com]


This is the National Weather Service apologizing so your route employee must have had some better information than most of us.

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massachusetts here, welcome to winter, now do that all winter long from december till the end of march!
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Thanks for your input. Now go back to your miserable life.

I just don't get you "winter warriors" who feel the need to chime in on these threads.

Whatever makes you feel better living in that shithole of Massachusettes.
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I don't get it either.

Obviously they aren't prepared and didn't have the salt, the trucks, and everything else needed. It's not because they can't handle snow, it's because they weren't prepared to handle that kind of weather and didn't have the resources needed. People in Massachusetts, etc. are obviously ready and expect this. Why is this hard to understand?
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I was just wondering when someone was gonna put something up about the Great Blizzard of 2014. It wasn't so much the weather that was the problem. It was the forecast. NWS really screwed the pooch on this one, and kids all across central Alabama had to spend the night at school. Took me 2 hours to drive 4 miles home from the office yesterday, and I thought we might have to get out and walk at one point. Still, hell of a lot better than all those folks who had to sleep in their cars. Everybody okay at your house, BB?
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Not they didn't. My Alabama route employee called me first thing Monday AM to let me know he wasn't working until Friday because of the weather forecast - he didn't want to be out on the roads. He knew. Anyone who got stuck is an idiot.
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[link to www.waff.com]


This is the National Weather Service apologizing so your route employee must have had some better information than most of us.

[link to www.waff.com]
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Perhaps they're apologizing because it's better than calling their viewers morons.

From Monday evening:

"Even places as far south as Tallahassee, Valdosta, and Panama City will likely get a period of light freezing rain late Tuesday night and/or Wednesday Morning....This means that temperatures could be near freezing in portions of South AL and GA Tuesday afternoon, resulting in freezing rain a little earlier than previously thought."


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massachusetts here, welcome to winter, now do that all winter long from december till the end of march!
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Thanks for your input. Now go back to your miserable life.

I just don't get you "winter warriors" who feel the need to chime in on these threads.

Whatever makes you feel better living in that shithole of Massachusettes.
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I don't get it either.

Obviously they aren't prepared and didn't have the salt, the trucks, and everything else needed. It's not because they can't handle snow, it's because they weren't prepared to handle that kind of weather and didn't have the resources needed. People in Massachusetts, etc. are obviously ready and expect this. Why is this hard to understand?
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It's because idiots decided it was a good idea to take the roads.
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I was just wondering when someone was gonna put something up about the Great Blizzard of 2014. It wasn't so much the weather that was the problem. It was the forecast. NWS really screwed the pooch on this one, and kids all across central Alabama had to spend the night at school. Took me 2 hours to drive 4 miles home from the office yesterday, and I thought we might have to get out and walk at one point. Still, hell of a lot better than all those folks who had to sleep in their cars. Everybody okay at your house, BB?
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Not they didn't. My Alabama route employee called me first thing Monday AM to let me know he wasn't working until Friday because of the weather forecast - he didn't want to be out on the roads. He knew. Anyone who got stuck is an idiot.
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[link to www.waff.com]


This is the National Weather Service apologizing so your route employee must have had some better information than most of us.

[link to www.waff.com]
 Quoting: Bluebird


Perhaps they're apologizing because it's better than calling their viewers morons.

From Monday evening:

"Even places as far south as Tallahassee, Valdosta, and Panama City will likely get a period of light freezing rain late Tuesday night and/or Wednesday Morning....This means that temperatures could be near freezing in portions of South AL and GA Tuesday afternoon, resulting in freezing rain a little earlier than previously thought."


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Duh, that forecast is way off. A period of light freezing rain, near freezing..and wrong location.

Just admit they messed up. They admitted it, why can't you? So you can get off on blaming people?
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massachusetts here, welcome to winter, now do that all winter long from december till the end of march!
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Thanks for your input. Now go back to your miserable life.

I just don't get you "winter warriors" who feel the need to chime in on these threads.

Whatever makes you feel better living in that shithole of Massachusettes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52465783


I don't get it either.

Obviously they aren't prepared and didn't have the salt, the trucks, and everything else needed. It's not because they can't handle snow, it's because they weren't prepared to handle that kind of weather and didn't have the resources needed. People in Massachusetts, etc. are obviously ready and expect this. Why is this hard to understand?
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It's because idiots decided it was a good idea to take the roads.
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I don't think anyone saw it coming. I'm sure the schools wouldn't have taken even a little risk of dealing with the backlash from parents I'm sure they're facing. It's more than just a few people driving when they shouldn't. People are camped out in grocery store aisles, sleeping in their cars and classrooms.
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I was just wondering when someone was gonna put something up about the Great Blizzard of 2014. It wasn't so much the weather that was the problem. It was the forecast. NWS really screwed the pooch on this one, and kids all across central Alabama had to spend the night at school. Took me 2 hours to drive 4 miles home from the office yesterday, and I thought we might have to get out and walk at one point. Still, hell of a lot better than all those folks who had to sleep in their cars. Everybody okay at your house, BB?
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Not they didn't. My Alabama route employee called me first thing Monday AM to let me know he wasn't working until Friday because of the weather forecast - he didn't want to be out on the roads. He knew. Anyone who got stuck is an idiot.
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[link to www.waff.com]


This is the National Weather Service apologizing so your route employee must have had some better information than most of us.

[link to www.waff.com]
 Quoting: Bluebird


Perhaps they're apologizing because it's better than calling their viewers morons.

From Monday evening:

"Even places as far south as Tallahassee, Valdosta, and Panama City will likely get a period of light freezing rain late Tuesday night and/or Wednesday Morning....This means that temperatures could be near freezing in portions of South AL and GA Tuesday afternoon, resulting in freezing rain a little earlier than previously thought."


[link to www.wtvy.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52785603



DUH! Yes, they predicted it would be in SOUTH AL and GA hugging the coast but it came over a hundred miles farther NORTH than predicted! You do know where Birmingham is, don't you, if you have a route or whatever there? Alabama is a pretty big state, donchaknow?

We had possible flurries predicted up here and ended up with a sheet of ice in places.


sounds more like you just want to call people morons yourself.

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Not so bad in the scheme of things.



You got a taste of winter.
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Its over..recover strongly :)
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Yeah, it's bad for Alabama. This isn't Idaho, where anything under nine inches doesn't bother people too much.

I actually was happy for the three inches today. I thought my $700 investment in studded snows was going to waste.
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The temperature at my house right now is 2 degree, it is cold I hope this is as low as it goes.

I am in central AL. Birmingham isn't to faraway, the temperature could be lower.
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The temperature at my house right now is 2 degree, it is cold I hope this is as low as it goes.

I am in central AL. Birmingham isn't to faraway, the temperature could be lower.
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Crazy. My bro has a place up here in Mullan, and he works oil refineries, latest gig in Lake Charles. Lake Charles was colder than Mullan. Unreal.
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North Carolina had to make their own snow, and jump off the roof:


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The temperature at my house right now is 2 degree, it is cold I hope this is as low as it goes.

I am in central AL. Birmingham isn't to faraway, the temperature could be lower.
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We had a low of 5º last night but don't know what the chill factor was.

I did finally hear from my missing son and he had to walk about 6 miles in the ice and snow and cold.

I hope he doesn't have frost bite from that! He seems pretty much in shock.

Said it was a complete breakdown of civilization--rather dramatic I know but can understand how he would feel that way after going through all that.

I didn't think to ask where he left his car and wonder now how he will get back to it.

High this afternoon is supposed to be 40º but then it will refreeze overnight. Hope some of that ice eva[orates.


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Good to here your sons safe. Five degrees is cold, really cold. Up here in Pennsylvania it's zero. Not a lot of difference from your temp. When it goes up to forty, it's going to feel like a heat wave. LOL!

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Good to here your sons safe. Five degrees is cold, really cold. Up here in Pennsylvania it's zero. Not a lot of difference from your temp. When it goes up to forty, it's going to feel like a heat wave. LOL!
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I'll take it if only for a couple of hours.

Just hope it doesn't thaw so it all refreezes as black ice.

I'm much more concerned about Birmingham than here where I am, Huntsville area. They had kids still at school for the second night last night.

Things are far from back to normal there but here the snow is more or less evaporating now as it melts. At least it goes somewhere. It's there then it's gone and no puddle or even wet concrete left.

Strange but then it's been years since I was in snow much and then when living in Colorado and later Illinois. Was a much different kind of snow there.

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4 degrees in Clanton atm
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4 degrees in Clanton atm
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Is that just below Montgomery? Or between B'ham and Montgomery? I know it's famous for peaches but my mind is tired and I can't place it right now.
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4 degrees in Clanton atm
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Is that just below Montgomery? Or between B'ham and Montgomery? I know it's famous for peaches but my mind is tired and I can't place it right now.
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Clanton is half way between Montgomery and Birmingham
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4 degrees in Clanton atm
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Is that just below Montgomery? Or between B'ham and Montgomery? I know it's famous for peaches but my mind is tired and I can't place it right now.
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Clanton is half way between Montgomery and Birmingham
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Thanks.

I didn't think it would be that cold so far south still.

If we make it until the weekend, it has to warm up then.


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I was just wondering when someone was gonna put something up about the Great Blizzard of 2014. It wasn't so much the weather that was the problem. It was the forecast. NWS really screwed the pooch on this one, and kids all across central Alabama had to spend the night at school. Took me 2 hours to drive 4 miles home from the office yesterday, and I thought we might have to get out and walk at one point. Still, hell of a lot better than all those folks who had to sleep in their cars. Everybody okay at your house, BB?
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Not they didn't. My Alabama route employee called me first thing Monday AM to let me know he wasn't working until Friday because of the weather forecast - he didn't want to be out on the roads. He knew. Anyone who got stuck is an idiot.
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[link to www.waff.com]


This is the National Weather Service apologizing so your route employee must have had some better information than most of us.

[link to www.waff.com]
 Quoting: Bluebird


He may have been looking at Accuweather's forecast. My wife mentioned, Monday night, that AW was predicting 1-2 inches of snow and a freeze in Birmingham, but everybody else was saying light dusting and no problems. But yeah, NWS blew it. Otherwise, why are they apologizing for blowing it.
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I am so fed up with asshats saying that we can't handle the snow or we can't drive or any other assanine attempt to put us down. This crap was forecasted to be 125 miles south of b'ham and this was at 8:00 am!!! By 11:00 James Spann was telling people to get a hotel room!!! There was even one guy from here calling people goons and getting on his soap box about how smart and well prepared he was. There was a massive pileup because they waited too long to let kids and parents out. People freak out when the thought of not getting your child enters their mind.
Bottom line southerners can and will endure because we help one another. We are the ones pulling neigbors out of demolished homes after tornadoes. We don't wait for fema we do it ourselves. After reading countless crap from some northerners there is no doubt I am where I am supposed to be. I love my state and I love my fellow man. Anyone that says different can kiss it twice.
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I am so fed up with asshats saying that we can't handle the snow or we can't drive or any other assanine attempt to put us down. This crap was forecasted to be 125 miles south of b'ham and this was at 8:00 am!!! By 11:00 James Spann was telling people to get a hotel room!!! There was even one guy from here calling people goons and getting on his soap box about how smart and well prepared he was. There was a massive pileup because they waited too long to let kids and parents out. People freak out when the thought of not getting your child enters their mind.
Bottom line southerners can and will endure because we help one another. We are the ones pulling neigbors out of demolished homes after tornadoes. We don't wait for fema we do it ourselves. After reading countless crap from some northerners there is no doubt I am where I am supposed to be. I love my state and I love my fellow man. Anyone that says different can kiss it twice.
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Oh, Bluebird I am so happy to hear your boy is safe.
 Quoting: Alabamabombshell:) 39216289


Keep in mind, up north we have lots of snowplows and salters. Down south they don't because it doesn't snow that much down there. If there wasn't plows or salters we'd be in trouble too.
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I am so fed up with asshats saying that we can't handle the snow or we can't drive or any other assanine attempt to put us down. This crap was forecasted to be 125 miles south of b'ham and this was at 8:00 am!!! By 11:00 James Spann was telling people to get a hotel room!!! There was even one guy from here calling people goons and getting on his soap box about how smart and well prepared he was. There was a massive pileup because they waited too long to let kids and parents out. People freak out when the thought of not getting your child enters their mind.
Bottom line southerners can and will endure because we help one another. We are the ones pulling neigbors out of demolished homes after tornadoes. We don't wait for fema we do it ourselves. After reading countless crap from some northerners there is no doubt I am where I am supposed to be. I love my state and I love my fellow man. Anyone that says different can kiss it twice.
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Oh, Bluebird I am so happy to hear your boy is safe.
 Quoting: Alabamabombshell:) 39216289


Keep in mind, up north we have lots of snowplows and salters. Down south they don't because it doesn't snow that much down there. If there wasn't plows or salters we'd be in trouble too.
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Exactly. Your area is prepared for what weather conditions you see most. We are prepared for tornadoes. I wouldn't put people in Maine down because they don't have tornado shelters. I guess some folks just like to get their jollies by putting others down. Whatever. Anyone, anywhere at any time can be caught off guard. That's why you must be prepared at your house and in your car. Shoot, I could probably live out of my purse!!tounge
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I am so fed up with asshats saying that we can't handle the snow or we can't drive or any other assanine attempt to put us down. This crap was forecasted to be 125 miles south of b'ham and this was at 8:00 am!!! By 11:00 James Spann was telling people to get a hotel room!!! There was even one guy from here calling people goons and getting on his soap box about how smart and well prepared he was. There was a massive pileup because they waited too long to let kids and parents out. People freak out when the thought of not getting your child enters their mind.
Bottom line southerners can and will endure because we help one another. We are the ones pulling neigbors out of demolished homes after tornadoes. We don't wait for fema we do it ourselves. After reading countless crap from some northerners there is no doubt I am where I am supposed to be. I love my state and I love my fellow man. Anyone that says different can kiss it twice.
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Oh, Bluebird I am so happy to hear your boy is safe.
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Thanks! Now to get his car back.

Anyone know the procedure for reclaiming your abandoned car?


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One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy





GLP